Make-A-Wish turns down bikini car wash $$$

[SacredCow]

By Shomari Stone FEDERAL WAY, Wash. --

Too much bare skin - even if for a good cause - is not OK, according to some.

A local bikini car wash stand offers just what you'd expect -- bikini-clad women scrubbing your car clean. But the concept is proving to be offensive to many, including the stand's intended beneficiary.

The stand's owner and manager had planned to donate half of the proceeds to the Make-A-Wish Foundation, but the organization doesn't want the money. The group says it doesn't want to be affiliated with the women in bikinis.

"We would never want to engage in any sort of partnership or activity that could be perceived as offensive to some of our families," said Jeannette Tarcha of the Make-A-Wish Foundation.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51062072.html

Prudism gone wild, IMHO.

[Dennis Donovan]

1. Oddly, my last wish would be a bikini car wash...

;)

[saltpoint]

2. LOL.

[Richardo]

4. !!

:rofl:

[obliviously]

15. If i could walk through

and bikinis were optional!

[KittyWampus]

17. In that scenario, are YOU the car getting washed?

[Arkana]

34. Leave out the cars and it'd be even better.

[el_bryanto]

3. That seems odd, considering how many celebrities they are involved with

But what do I know.

Bryant

[liberal N proud]

5. I thought that was rite of summer?

The young ladies in their swimsuits luring us old men in to have our car washed for a good cause.

The old saying, one should not look a gift horse in the mouth. or something like that.

[panader0]

6. Have you ever seen a horse in a bikini?

[Bankhead_ATL]

24. what do you mean by that comment???

[taterguy]

7. Good for them!

Excessive car washing is a tremendous waste of scarce water resources.

The only time you really need to wash your car is to get salt off it following a winter storm or a trip to the coast.

That's what they're concerned about right?

[michreject]

27. I have a black pick up

I have to wash it twice a week. It shows dirt way too easy.

[taterguy]

28. And how does dirt effect the performance of your vehicle?

[Ikonoklast]

29. In a great many ways, actually.

Dirt can hide mechanical defects, leaks, etc. Maintenance issues are sometimes uncovered under a layer of dirt.

And a smooth painted surface with no pitting helps the aerodynamics of a vehicle, getting better fuel economy.

[michreject]

32. At 12 MPG

I need better fuel economy. Only bad thing about the truck. I do love the interior room.

[Ikonoklast]

57. You need a sail and a strong following wind.

I hear ya, brother. My work ride, on a good day, averages six mpg.

[taterguy]

78. What happens when you forget the sail is deployed and drive under a powerline?

Or what happens if some moron tosses a cigarette butt out of a window and ignites your sail?

[Ikonoklast]

89. You run by a big, dirty puddle and drench a bicyclist .

Always makes me feel a little better about things.

[taterguy]

95. How progressive

:eyes:

[tabasco]

130. Big tough guy behind the wheel.

Usually means a coward when you get out.

[michreject]

30. Not one bit

I like it clean though. I don't like getting dirty when I get in and out.

[taterguy]

43. Does the dirt in Tennessee jump?

When I get in and out of a vehicle the only part of the exterior that my body touches is the door handle.

[michreject]

46. Dirt on the running boards

gets on the back of my pants when I get in and out.

[Pharlo]

8. No big deal. Charities turn down donations that might be

perceived by many as 'questionable' all the time.

One of my nephews organized a 'pub crawl' while he was in college. He tried giving the proceeds to the local 'Big Brothers/Big Sisters' but they wouldn't take it when he told them what it was from. It didn't fit their 'image'. Did he get his nose bent out of joint and go to the media? Nope, he just kept calling local charities until he found one that would take 'pub crawl' cash. He asked if they'd have any issues with where the money came from their response was "Did anyone die as a result?" When he answered "No" they took his funds. He was a sophomore at the time. For the next two years, he had a charity who was more than happy to take the money raised from the pub crawls.

The thing that strikes me most about this story isn't that a charity declined contributions from a source that they deemed may be offensive to some of its recipients as well as other donors, but that someeone was so narrow minded as to pursue it in the media.

[SoxFan]

21. MADD eventually accepted the money, right?

[Pharlo]

51. No, it wasn't MADD.

lol.... same type of 'image' problem, I would assume.

Besides, we'll never know, he never made it to the 'M's, he found a charity in the 'L's.

[Fumesucker]

9. Some dying kid or kids won't get their final wish thanks to the Puritans..

That is the bottom line here.

So if *some* families are offended, all must suffer due to the delicate sensibilities of a few?

[Kalyke]

16. Yes.

Promoting sexism and continuing to allow women to be treated as sex objects should offend EVERYONE'S sensibilities.

Some liberal men on this board. :eyes:

[Fumesucker]

19. Who is forcing the women to be treated as sex objects?

In my mind the dying kids are more important than delicate sensibilities of some Puritans.

I've actually worked on Make A Wish benefits with a pro football cheerleading team, Make A Wish accepted the money from *that* benefit, which is obviously sexist.

Apparently some sex objects are OK.. :shrug:

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. If it doesn't offend the wearers of the bikinis, who am I to argue? nt

[SacredCow]

23. I've personally known several strippers in my life (male and female)...

None of them felt that what they did to earn their livings was offensive or wrong (one exceedingly attractive young lady paid her way through college by working at a strip joint and at Hooters). A certain number of people (men AND women for the record) will pay to see other people (be they male or female) scantily clad. I can't get into WHY people will pay for such a thing, because I'm not one of those people. But neither do I judge them.

[Echo In Light]

31. I agree w/you, although it works both way re such perceptions

On one hand it's very common for people to either ignore or disavow the deeply seated perceptions within the public mind, its power of suggestion, its ability to distort and shape reality, and coerce individuals into abiding specific views to the extent that millions can believe a falsehood, or perceive something in a biased way. This is but one area that many Dems and Repubs have much in common, even if the directs run askew on certain social issues.

On the other hand, even within a hyper sexualized social climate (per corporate marketing/entertainment/pastimes) there is still free choice ... and so while I understand and even in part agree w/you that seeing the women who enthusiastically allow their sexuality to be exploited for any type of gain/profit/social status is sort of like seeing an Indian wearing a cowboy hat, the fact remains that people act out, adopt social masks, and choose their affectations for a host of reasons that don't always fit neatly into one ideological/sociopolitical package. There are very progressive women who enjoy sexual expressions that would make other liberal women cringe, just as there are conservative women who engage in sexcapades along the lines of what is seen in hardcore pornography.

[seabeyond]

36. taking what you state further, there are women that feel being submissive to male/husband

is the correct way to live. we easily judge these women, see them as being oppressed by male, yet on the other hand....

because of conditioning, it does not mean the sexism is not there.

[NYC Liberal]

59. So women can't make decisions for themselves?

No woman could ever possibly WANT to wear a bikini then, they're all forced to by men?

I'll be sure to that to the women I know who wear them, I'm sure they'd be interested to find that out.

:eyes:

[Scout]

121. apparently ONLY the exhibitionist ones are....

because when this woman, Jeannette Tarcha, made a decision for herself and on behalf of her organization, people here got their panties all in a wad about it.

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

122. i like the way you

cut to the chase at times....

good point

[EndersDame]

60. I wash my car in my swimsuit! I think I should be able to wear it if I want to

It has been hot lately (were talking around 110) and I used to be one of those kids who played in the sprinklers everytime they were on.If I wanna were a bikini top And wash my car I should be free to do so.

[Echo In Light]

69. You actually think Kalyke is arguing against your 'right' to do so?

She isn't speaking to rights - nothing in her posting states or implies as such - but common perceptions within the public mind. Huge difference. Just sayin'.

[EndersDame]

131. I do not think that Bikinis are tools of the Patriarchy

I just think that sometimes women would prefer to don bikinis while washing cars. I know I would .It is fucking hot and it is great fun to goof off and play with water especially with friends for a good cause.

[Quantess]

74. Maybe it was hot that day,

and bathing suits seemed to be the most convenient car-washing outfit.

I wore a bathing suit when I washed my car a few days ago. Nobody saw me, but it definitely was sensible clothing for the activity.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

76. Wait. Wait. Wait a sec. You actually SUPPORT this moronity bt MaW?

[rd_kent]

115. From what I see here, theses women are not being forced to wash cars in bikinis

[aikoaiko]

10. There must be meeting all their needs if they can be that uptight.

I'll send my money elsewhere since they probably don't really need it.

[Orsino]

11. Cootiephobia. n/t

[Nye Bevan]

12. That makes sense.

Registering disapproval of bikini-wearing women washing cars is *much* more important than granting the dying wishes of kids with cancer. :eyes:

[LanternWaste]

75. PAC money, regardless of its origins should always be accepted...

PAC money, regardless of its origins should always be accepted by any politician it is offered to.


Or, in the words of many, "registering disapproval of the beliefs of someone else is much more important than accepting their money..."

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Only the names change.

[SacredCow]

79. Political Donations vs Charitable Donations- They're really not the same thing....

One donates to a political organization or politician because they believes in that politician's or organization's mantra and principles. It's a statement of what one believes in.

One donates to a charitable organization because they believe in the cause that is being served and want to help. It's an act of kindness.

I simply question why it is such a stretch to realize that there might be some people out there who may like to look at attractive girls in bikinis AND also have a charitable heart. Interest in prurient matters doesn't necessarily mean that you're some sex-crazed maniac, that I'm aware of.

Yet, there's a distinct thought pattern here- A girl washing a car in a bikini, in and of itself is fine. HOWEVER... Same girl, same car, same bikini, same location, etc... BUT the donations are to go to charity and all of a sudden we're talking that it's a step away from adult entertainment? Unless we're really talking about more than a car wash, I think not.

[LanternWaste]

81. Yet they are both statements of intent

"One donates to a political organization..."

Yet they are both statements of intent. And arguably, your latter statement could quite as easily and validly be applied to your former statement....

As per the statement I responded to, the implication was that the origin of the money for a good cause is irrelevant. If that is indeed the case, then simply put-- the origin of any money for any good cause is irrelevant.

I find that to absurd. Others may not...


"Unless we're really talking about more than a car wash, I think not..."
I imagine we all interpret and translate things to better validate our own perceptions.

[SacredCow]

82. "good cause" is almost always a matter of perception re political organizations...

My fundie neighbor believes that "Focus on the Family" is a good cause; however, I couldn't disagree more. Likewise, he probably wouldn't donate much to HRC. These are political organizations, and they have a particular niche.

But who is going to say that the mission statement of Make A Wish, which is to grant wishes for terminally ill children, is NOT a worthwhile cause? Is there anyone (anyone sane, that is) so cold and unfeeling to say that they shouldn't be doing the work that they do?

[LanternWaste]

83. What specifically is preventing the money from going towards

What specifically is preventing the money from going towards the fulfillment of a terminal patient's wish? That, in this specific instance Make A Wish is not acting as the intermediary, I yet fail to see what the specific and relevant obstacles are... :shrug:

If those who worked for the money wish to see it go towards the fulfillment if a terminal patient's wish, there is nothing stopping them.

("Good cause", by it's very definition is always subjective-- regardless of whether it's a political, charitable, or any other organization...)

ed: grammar

[madmom]

13. That's how I met Mr madmom. I was 18,living at home, was washing my car in my parents

drive way, I was wearing a bikini. Mr drove by saw me, decided since he knew the guy who lived across the street, he was going to get an intro. He did and well the rest is history as they say.That was 37 years ago.

[SoxFan]

22. "Dear Penthouse: I never thought this sort of thing happened..."

:evilgrin:

[madmom]

25. Well you have to remember this was back in the 70's, those wild and crazy years.

[TahitiNut]

47. Where's the bikini?

:dunce:

[madmom]

48. It's looong loooooong gone. ; P

[MindPilot]

14. "The group says it doesn't want to be affiliated with the women in bikinis"

Guess they are never going to the beach or the local pool. I wonder if they know that most women are naked under their clothes...

[Odin2005]

18. I agree, bunch of prudes.

:crazy:

[DailyGrind51]

26. If women are willing to wear bikinis to wash cars for charity or to play Olympic volleyball,

it is THEIR choice.

[redqueen]

33. This isn't prudism gone wild, it's policy.

"The nonprofit group admits donations are down by as much as 10 percent compared to last year. It decides who they want to partner with on a case-by-case basis, staying away from what's could be perceived as adult entertainment."

I'm glad they turned it down. Unless there are men out there in speedos washing the cars too, it's sexist and it stinks.

[SacredCow]

35. Surely it's their right to refuse the money...

But if they're staying away from women in bikinis, then they probably also would need to disallow the children's trips to Disney World, since there will likely be women in bikinis there, too. Car washes by high school clubs to raise funds are very common around here during the summer, and generally the girls wear bikinis because it's hot as blue blazes.

As for the men in speedos washing cars... It happens- not nearly as often, but it happens. Firemen also pose for provocative calenders that are snatched up by women everywhere. These calendars are often produced to fund various charitable organizations, and nobody calls it sexism.

[redqueen]

37. Women wearing bikinis around for themselves isn't close to adult entertainment.

Women wearing them simply to appeal to men in order to generate income... different story.

As for firemen calendars, that's a calendar. Women pose for those too. A car wash is not a calendar, and is (supposedly) not intended solely for one sex or the other... i.e. they'd have one car wash for men, and one for women, as is the case with calendars.

[SacredCow]

38. Apparently this particular car wash *is* intended more for men...

And should some female entrepreneur produce one that has all men in speedos washing the cars, it would be intended for women. Granted, you don't see such a thing nearly as often because women (generally speaking) aren't as willing to pay for such a service. Either way- assuming the participants are all willing- it falls into the category of "if it offends you, then don't participate or patronize it."

Since nothing illegal is going on, I simply fail to see how this taints ~$3500 that could put a smile on a terminally-ill child's face.

[redqueen]

39. Their policy isn't to avoid things that are illegal.

Their policy is to stay away from adult entertainment.

I wonder why they didn't mention in the article how much was actually raised. I doubt it was anywhere *near* $3500.

As for legitimizing this kind of business, I disagree. It's a step away from a strip club, and I think it's entirely reasonable for the Make-A-Wish foundation to stick to its policy.

[SacredCow]

44. Maybe a step away, but still a step.

What if it was all women, but instead of bikinis they were wearing cocktail dresses (some guys I know would rather see women in formal attire than bikinis)?

Don't get me wrong- I think the notion of a bikini car wash is pretty juvenile and unimaginative, and anybody who tries to make a big fundraising effort out of one has obviously not put much thought into the matter. But neither do I think it's a very good reason to turn down a donation. And, as the article pointed out, the producer of the car wash said he would probably donate the money anonymously- meaning that Make-A-Wish will still end up taking the money. If they really were concerned where the money comes from, seems to me that they'd not accept any anonymous donations.

I still see this more of an issue with people in the US being MAJORLY uptight about the human body and sex.

[redqueen]

45. You'd have to ask their spokesperson.

I can't speak for them. As for my personal opinion, I don't see women in cocktail dresses as being so close to adult entertainment as women in bikinis.

And I don't see it as an issue with people in the US being uptight about the human body and sex, I see it as an issue with sexualization of non-sexual things. Sexuality in and of itself is a wonderful thing. Using sexuality to sell car washes, video games, etc... that is not so wonderful IMO and I won't accept the attempt to conflate these two very distinct things.

If the women want to participate then more power to them, but I don't believe that any person or organization should be shamed or bullied into adopting someone else's view of this kind of thing. By "this kind of thing" I mean the acceptibility / family-friendliness of things such as bikini car washes, strip clubs, Hooters, etc.

[SacredCow]

49. But women in cocktail dresses (or any clothing, really)....

could easily be as sexually provocative (depending on the dress and the viewer's point of view). So, there are obviously shades of grey here and who gets to decide what is OK and what is not? Were my child terribly ill (perish the thought) and seeking a wish from this organization, I'd be pretty upset to find out that they were disallowing donations because some people might find the source of the money objectionable.

Re: using sexuality to sell car washes, or whatever else- I already said that it was a pretty juvenile MO. But because it appeals to hard-wired human instinct, I'm reasonably sure that it's something that's always going to be with us in one form or another. Just as Republicans can't wish, pray, or enforce the gay out of me- neither can anybody change the fact that sex appeals to people, and will often make them open their wallets. Getting offended by this is futile, IMHO.

I don't think anyone here ever said that Make-A-Wish should be "bullied" into taking the money. Just a question of why money made from a perfectly legal activity would be inelgible for donation. Quite frankly, I wouldn't care if it was blood money- turn it around and make GOOD out of it. Funds are funds, and money in and of itself is neither good nor evil. Better to issue a statement to the effect of "acceptance of donations does not imply endorsement of donor entity."

[redqueen]

50. Yes, I get that you wouldn't care and would take the money.

I got that from the OP, actually. Sadly (?) though, they do get to make their own rules. And their rules state that they try to stay away from this kind of thing.

And just to reiterate... the legality of the business is immaterial to this conversation. I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

[SacredCow]

52. I bring it up because the refusal was based on someone's PERCEPTION...

of the business or endeavor that was to make the donation, which may or may not be the perception of others. Had this been a nude car wash (I have heard that they exist- some strange variant on a strip club, I suppose), I could easily see their reasons for refusal, as such an activity is probably only legal in a handfull of places. I don't like for Republicans (or anybody else) to lecture me that <insert activity here> is wrong because God said it's immoral and/or it doesn't cater to "traditional family values." Setting morality as policy is a slippery slope.

And to re-iterate, myself- yes, indeed they do get to make their own rules (and they should have the right to do so). I simply happen to think that the root source of this policy is based on someone's personal belief that sex is evil and dirty, and may not necessarily in the best interest of the organization.

[Maru Kitteh]

53. You don't get why a children's charity would avoid employing adult entertainment to make money?

[SacredCow]

58. Hardly "employing" them....

accepting a charitable donation doesn't (or shouldn't, anyway) mean that the accepting party is beholden to the donor. This isn't politics- it's CHARITY. If an out and out pornography mogul wanted to donate half a million to Make-A-Wish, no- I honestly don't see the problem. People employed in adult entertainment can have the desire to help people, too, after all.

[LanternWaste]

86. A small, black church in AL should accept donations from the Klan?

A small, black church in AL should accept donations from the Klan for their local meal-on-wheels program? The church is, as you say "not beholden to the donor..." Members of the Klan "can have the desire to help people, too, after all..."

(And, to snuff out the righteous indignation prior to its always ugly birth, no-- it's not a comparison, but a contrast...)



Again, nothing changes in our scenario but the names.

[SacredCow]

93. Snark aside, we can exchange ridiculous suppositions all day....

but we both know that the Klan making ANY donation isn't going to happen.

The bottom line is that dirty money (and it's VERY debatable whether money from a simple bikini car wash is dirty) spends exactly the same as any other money. One of my best friends in high school was viciously abused by her stepfather for a time. After each episode, he would feel remorse (yeah, right) and buy her expensive jewelry. She, in turn, would take it back to the jeweler and get a cash refund and take the money to the home for neglected children where we both volunteered. So, in effect, the bad and dirty money became good.

I don't know why this is so difficult for some people to comprehend.

[LanternWaste]

129. You haven't answered the question.

You haven't answered the question. Merely danced around it...

No snark, pal. Just want to know if you apply your standards consistently, or simply when convenient.

[DailyGrind51]

88. So, how is that any different from what they wear in Olympic volleyball?

Competing in the Olympics results in lucrative product endorsements and public appearances.

[redqueen]

100. It's no different really. Still just advertisers hoping to attract more $$$. (nt)

[DailyGrind51]

117. Bingo!

[redqueen]

118. So... what's your point?

That Make-A-Wish should be expected to take the money simply because advertisers exploit sexuality for $$$ in sports as well as at car washes?

[DailyGrind51]

127. If MAW chooses not to take the money, that is their "business",

However, if women choose to exhibit themselves for either charity or lucrative modeling contracts, that is their business. If a Kerri Walsh, Amanda Beard, Brandi Chastain, or any other Olympian chooses to capitalize on their tanned and toned bodies, it is not exploitation, it is merely making the most of their assets.

[redqueen]

128. I have to wonder if it was the athletes who chose to capitalize...

or if it was a decision made for them.

[lumberjack_jeff]

40. Put me in a speedo, stand me on a corner holding a car wash sign.

The only customer would be the cops.

No one wants to see that shit.

[EndersDame]

61. I wash my car in a bikini top

As I have stated above it has been around 105-110 lately and I love playing in the water. When I was A kid I played in the sprinklers I also would go out of my way to get wet even if I was stil wearing school clothes (much to my mom's dismay)

[redqueen]

62. Are you doing it for tips?

Okay then.

[EndersDame]

63. So What if I was?

If I was doing a charity car wash in the middle of summer I would probably still want to wear bikini top for precisely the same reasons.Imagine working outside for hours hell yeah I would want to spray that hose on me and the other girls.

I also don't think less or judge people who do were skimpy outfits for tips hell I put on tighter pants and make up when I wait tables. I don't think that makes me a BAD PERSON

[redqueen]

64. So if you were then you couldn't donate the tips to Make A Wish.

That's all.

As for you wearing tight pants and makeup to get bigger tips... whatever floats your boat.

[EndersDame]

66. Even the guys wear tighter pants now

We all gotta pay the rent

[SacredCow]

67. Nope- It in no way makes you a bad person...

Just realistic and practical.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

68. Fascinating. (n/t)

[burning rain]

41. Oh what goody-goodies and panderers to goody-goodies.

I expect they'll have the support of those tedious liberals who are anxious to prove they can be just as uptight as conservatives.

[abumbyanyothername]

42. I guess this shoots down my idea . . . .

Strippers for sick kids.

[rd_kent]

54. Bikinis are offensive?

What is the world coming to?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

55. I know - what's even remotely offensive about a woman in a bikini?

Kids see them at the beach all the time or at the home swimming pool. If we were in southern France or Brazil, they'd probably be topless and at beaches where families gather. Maybe among the Jamestown colony it would have been frowned upon, but we are way, way past that kind of ridiculous prudery.

[Echo In Light]

70. I dig bikini clad women also. But would you want your daughter to be encouraged to...

...wear a bikini while standing at the side of a busy public street, using her flesh to lure men for a car wash?

Am I suggesting there's necessarily anything wrong with that?

No. There's a big difference, however, between 'just a woman in a bikini' versus 'why don't you girls don your bikinis and go drum up some business.' Although I have to say I'm fairly neutral on the subject, but understand the various views people have re this sort of thing.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

71. As long as they're not engaged in lewd behavior, I see absolutely nothing wrong with it

And I hardly think that washing a car is lewd behavior. There could very well be a billboard on that same public street showing an ad for suntan lotion with a woman in a bikini. So what?

[Echo In Light]

72. I can agree with that too. Curious though, do you have a daughter?

I find that people who don't tend to have very different views re the signals and messages that people are bombarded with in our corporate culture.

[LanternWaste]

87. As in all things...

As in all things, I imagine venue, locale, cause, and propriety have a binding, though temporal last say on what is or is not offensive.

[Lorien]

132. A woman's body is EVIL, don't you know!

gotta cover it up, Taliban style! :sarcasm:

I know that many say it's "objectifying women", but if it were an older or overweight woman, would they say the same? Our bodies are not shameful things, and it doesn't sound as if a lap dance came with the car wash.

[The Sushi Bandit]

56. What is wrong with this picture??

Of course... I'm all for it!

[A HERETIC I AM]

90. The dude on the bike thinks he's going to get a bath?

Just throwing it out there.

[Captain Hilts]

65. Good! nt

[flvegan]

73. I really figured this thread would be much worse by now.

[AspenRose]

77. Dirty Sexy Money!

It still spends!

[SacredCow]

80. Really- This is the biggest reason why I'm calling this out as BS...

One of Make A Wish's biggest sponsors since 1982 is WWE. Here's a link to WWE's "Diva" page: http://www.wwe.com/superstars/divas/

If parading out bikini-clad women is a problem, then Make A Wish should have refused sponsorship from WWE, no?

[redqueen]

84. The women in WWE are wearing those costumes as part of their job.

Even in hot climates, men who wash cars do not wear speedos.

No, bikini-wearing is not part of the car-washing job in the same way that costumes are a part of wrestling.

[SacredCow]

91. Oh, so if women are flaunted for ENTERTAINMENT it's OK....

But when providing a service, somehow it's not OK.

Gotcha. THAT makes sense. :sarcasm:

[redqueen]

99. Why use the passive voice now? Those women *choose* to be wrestlers.

Interesting that now that the venue has changed, it's the women who are flaunted, rather than the women doing the flaunting.

My point was that car washes do not typically require that the employees wear bathing suits. Tv-wrestling organizations do typically require flashy outfits for their wrestlers.

Clearer?

[PVnRT]

102. Were the women at this car wash forced to be there, and in bikinis?

If not, they made that choice to, for the purpose of raising money for the charity, the same way that those divas made the choice to wear bikinis and pretend to wrestle to raise money.

[redqueen]

103. I'm not arguing that. You missed the point.

When I mentioned that it was the wrestlers' choice to wrestle in that outfit, I was referring to Sacred's suddenly using the passive voice (the women were flaunted) rather than the active voice (the women were flaunting themselves). And that's beside the point anyway.

My main point in that post (once again) was that in wrestling, those outfits are customary. In car washes, not so much.

[PVnRT]

104. We had a number of marching band car washes to raise money in high school

No requirements for swimsuits or bikinis, yet many of the girls were wearing them, because it was in the July Indiana heat. Many guys were walking around topless as well (not me, the chubby tuba player). In fact, when I see those kinds of car washes, it is, in fact, normal to see many of the women and men scantily clad. I would argue that it is customary for fundraising car washes.

[seabeyond]

105. exactly. now it is just a car wash. the other is selling of the female for male entertainment

with the use of both females and charity to generate money into the mans pocket.

it is not opposing bikinis. it is not wearing little for heat

it is the flagrant in your face.... come to the car wash to slobber all over self watching girls in bikinis that is offensive. selling the females for male entertainment. sexualize the event and the females for males and profit.

there is a difference

then the man put the charities name connecting it to a bikini event as if they were a part. of course make a wish would say no thank you.

[redqueen]

108. This wasn't just a fundraiser.

The guy's car wash stand is a "bikini car wash stand".

That's the business. It's like Hooters, but with car washes.

[PVnRT]

116. OK, I missed that from the article (n/t)

[seabeyond]

85. bikini car wash for make a wish.... the guy is pimpin women and using charity to make money

make a wish has every right to not have their name attached to making money for this guy. half the money goes to donation, the other half he puts in his pocket using females adn make a wish to get a buck.

[SacredCow]

92. How do you know they're being pimped?

As far as the article said, the women volunteered of their own free will.

[Nikia]

94. I agree with them

I understand why an organization benefitting children would not want adult entertainment to be used as part of their fundraising. If I were running a children's organization, I'd also be opposed to this along with alcohol sales, but maybe it show my Puritain upbringing.
Maybe, I am also transferring some of my thoughts on bikini car washes due to the fact that girl's high school sports teams do them around here and it really upsets me (none of the boy's teams does theses car washes).

[whistler162]

96. Well Make-A-Wish decided on the, to them, lesser of

two bad publicity options.

[piratefish08]

97. Must be nice to be a charity SO flush with cash that you can impose your morals

in deciding who can try to help you.

The only people I feel bad for are the ones who put the time and energy into raising the money and the poor kid who won't get a wish because of the rejected $$.......

[IDemo]

98. Male wrestling team banned from wearing bikinis

MERIDIAN - Some Meridian High School students have been told they are wearing too much clothing at a summer car wash fundraiser.

The group was wearing bikini tops each Saturday during the fundraiser -- until someone from the community complained.

The catch? The group is made up of boys -- the Centennial High School Wrestling team.

Meridian School District officials told the team could not wear bikini tops to try and get attention at their car wash, even though the cheerleaders across the street can.

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul1809-bikini_boys.54231b61.html

[Iggo]

101. I think they should poll the make-a-wish kids...

...and see if the kids think they should accept money from pretty girls in bikinis.

[Curtland1015]

106. +1. I doubt the kids give a crap, and I'm shocked Make-A-Wish pretends to care.

As a long time wrestling fan, the crap that goes on in WWE is SO much more sexist and crazy than some pretty girls washing cars in their bathing suits.

[redqueen]

109. They're not pretending. It's their policy.

And once again re: WWE... it is customary for tv-wrestlers to wear those flashy outfits.

It is not customary for women who work at car washes to wear bikinis... no more than it is customary for waitresses to wear tight half-shirts and mini-shorts (as they do at Hooters).


I really fail to see how these subtleties are so very hard to grasp.

[Curtland1015]

110. I fail to see why the point your trying to make changes anything.

So because people expect the women to act trampy and be treated like garbage in wrestling, Make-A-Wish should have no problem taking their money?

What does the "expectation" of what someone might wear somewhere have to do with them taking the money? Is Make-A-Wishsaying that if these same women washing cars were being filmed by WWE, and put on TV, then that is somehow better, more moral, or anything else?

How in any logical realm does that make sense?

[redqueen]

111. Oh, so now they're "acting trampy"?

The expectation of what's normal in any business is important. If you can't see how, then maybe someone else will be kind enough to explain it to you.

As for me, I'm done with you after that "trampy" shit. Have a good life.

[Curtland1015]

119. Do you watch wrestling?

Do you even know what happens on those shows sometimes?

[SacredCow]

124. What goes on in WWE is WAY more exploitative than a bikini car wash, If memory serves...

I don't watch wrestling, but have seen it in other people's houses. But apparently in some eyes, it's a different kind of exploitation because it's (supposed to be) entertainment. And because it's supposed to be entertainment, it's OK and perfectly logical that MAW would take WWE's money but not the bikini car wash money.

[Lautremont]

113. Uh, it IS customary for workers at a BIKINI CAR WASH to wear bikinis.

Clearer? Good.

[redqueen]

114. How many car washes are "bikini car washes"?

I imagine that Make-A-Wish would be happy to accept the money from a car wash stand.

Having the car washes done solely by women... and soley by women wearing bikinis, at that... that's a bit different.

Got it yet?

[Curtland1015]

120. Know why no one "gets it"? Because you're argument is terribly flawed.

Get it?

[joeybee12]

107. I agree with Make-a-Wish...bikini carwashes perpetrate the myth of women

as merely sexual objects...if the guy running it had any sense, he could have used both men and women, level the playing field, but he wouldn't have done that because he's a sexist twerp.

[SacredCow]

112. Again, I grant that the idea was juvenile....

Doing it as a male and female car wash would have been an interesting concept, and I wonder if MAW would have balked if that had been the case?

But I still contend that if MAW gladly accepts huge donations from WWE (who has bikini clad women as part of their "act"- and I don't think anyone will suggest that women are not being objectified in this case, too), then they're clearly being pretty hypocritical by not taking the bikini car wash money.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

123. The women are perfectly happy with their job

it would be different if they were made to! What an earth is wrong with bikinis? I wouldn't mind men in loincloths either!

Lighten up!

[joeybee12]

125. Nobody's telling them they shouldn't do it...

...but I see Make-a-Wish's point...with so much emphasis on women's appearance, this sends a really bad message to young women...no one seems to recall anorexia these days, not the media's illness du jour.

[SacredCow]

126. That's all well and good...

and really, I don't disagree with you that it sends a poor message to young girls.

And had the MAW statement given that reason, I would have never made the OP. However, the reason they gave was that the bikini car wash "could be perceived as offensive" by some. But the reality is that they are only concerned with some potentially offensive donors, while they gladly accept from others. The inconsistency is very suspicious to me, is all.