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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:17 AM Original message |
Healthcare--"False Promise of Choice" |
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el_bryanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
1. They have two goals that are hard to reconcile |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. I think this bill is good public policy. |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
2. The proposal |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
44. Millions more will be covered and I don't have any choice as it is. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
3. Kaiser Health News? Is this related to the healthcare-industrial complex giant Kaiser-Permanente? |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. As I've said before, there are people here who are buying into the Insurance Industry propaganda |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. That was my fear. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I'm certainly NOT buying into insurance corp propaganda. I |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. info-- |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. No ... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
7. Insurance Company PROPAGANDA. Epic FAIL!!! |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I don't think it's insurance propaganda. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 08:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. It reads like veiled propaganda by an organization determined to pull the plug on any public plan... |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
11. Large Insurance company hype, imho. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. huh? so why would PNHP have quoted the article? |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Did you ever stop to think that a Single-Payer-Only organization may want to undermine a Non-SP bill |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. oh gees, the paranoia runs so high... seeing enemies everywhere? instead of reading |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. You are the one quoting propaganda in support of your argument. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. "propaganda"? LOL. I see there isn't much in the way of critical analysis |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Excellent point! n/t |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Perhaps a non-single payer plan with a public option that is so weak |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Even if this were true, the proposals for public option are being changed/tweaked probably on a ... |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. It's greater than yourself. Nice that you like your insurance. There |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Well, just like you posted your "initial thesis", I posted mine... |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. FYI, I read a lot, most of the proposals. |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. You are the one with the personal attacks, not me. I couldn't care less if you consider my points.. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. That person's M.O. is to project their own behavior onto you and then call you on it. |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. LOL! There's a whole lotta fear-mongering on the board today... |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Ugh, sorry, I didn't mean you, I meant the person you were responding to. |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Yes, I knew who you were referencing. Thanks :) |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. my comment wasn't personal. The health care issues |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
41. Three questions; Have you been seriously ill? |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
17. YewNork has said it very well. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I skimmed it. Have to get ready for work now. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. You're right. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
20. Kaiser Family Foundation is Not Kaiser Permanente or Kaiser Industries |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
21. rec #1 nt |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
23. About PNHP... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
28. Kaiser Family Foundation, PNHP and AHIP........... |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Also Sourcewatch's page on them confirms the same |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Thanks for adding that link :) n/t |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
34. Much of America is based on "False Promise of Choice." We deal in illusions. |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
40. well, so posters learned that Kaiser Health News is not an |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. LOL! Seriously? KHN did not like Sicko at all. They have Bill Frist (yes, former RW Senator) on |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. so, it's not only Repubs that try to eat their own. |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
45. This thread is a circle jerk of purist fail... |
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