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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:04 PM
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"Delay!", say Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Ron Wyden, Joe Lieberman, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins
Six senators called for a seventy day hold on voting on health care reform legislation today, according to the Huffington Post. The senators involved include three Democrats, Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu and Ron Wyden, two Republicans, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, and one Independent, Joe Lieberman. Each these senators has raised at least $1 million from the health and insurance sectors combined over the course of their respective careers. What could seventy days do for their campaign coffers?



A hell of a lot.



UPDATE from enemy lines:


Joe Lieberman was just on MSNBC with Andrea Mitchell: "We've got to be bipartisan, because we won't have 60 votes."


Naturally, Andrea asked if Thursday's CBO report (that said that the health care plan would add to the deficit) was part of the "problem", to which Lieberman waxed poetic.


Of course, She DID NOT MENTION THE FULL CBO REPORT, RELEASED FRIDAY NIGHT, THAT SAID THAT THE PLAN WOULD NOT ADD TO THE DEFICIT AND THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY SAVE $6 BILLION.



THESE ARE LIES BY OMISSION and MANIPULATION, ANDREA MITCHELL.





Enemies of the people.



This is from Faux, so skip past the propagandist title, "Deficits, Taxes and Time Appear to Doom Health Care Reforms":

The CBO calmed nerves when it issued a second report late Friday that says adjusting the totals to reflect a 20 percent reduction in Medicare payments to physicians would save the country $6 billion over a decade.






The real story:

The Harvard economist further explained that the CBO report simply failed to report the full savings that health reform could provide over time. The health reform proposals would help reduce the cost of health care spending and payments, but they would also "change the underlying dynamics of the medical system so that it is less costly over time by keeping people of hospitals and from falling through the cracks."

Simply put, right now tens of millions of people lack adequate access to medical care. This means that most of these people are forced to wait until dire situations to see a doctor or go to a hospital – when care is the most expensive and the less effective, and which is often covered by public programs. The basic theory of the health reform model is that if everyone has access to health care all along, they will be generally healthier and will tend to need expensive treatments far less than currently is the case.

This systemic change would bend the cost curve in a manner that may not be precisely predictable precisely and apparently escaped the attention of the CBO report authors, Cutler suggested, but the "evidence is increasing that the amount to be saved and that we can save is enormous."

Even CBO Director Douglas W. Elmendorf admitted the CBO's report was incomplete. In a blog post at the CBO's website, on July 18th, Elmendorf wrote, "The figures released yesterday do not represent a complete cost estimate for the legislation." The report was limited to federal revenue and payments.

Linda Blumberg, a senior health policy analyst at the non-partisan Urban Institute, pointed to the competition in the insurance market that the proposed public option would generate as being the key to cost-savings that would result from reform.

"There is a great potential for the public plan option to have very significant cost containment impacts on private health insurance markets, both in terms of the level, and also potentially lowering the rate of growth over time right now, private health insurance markets are not competitive today," Blumberg said.

High costs today result from the "a tremendous amount of consolidation in both private health insurance markets and provider markets" today, she noted. "The public plan actually has leverage that provider insurers don't have today. The plan will be between private plans and Medicare and will lower the cost of premiums. Insurers will respond to the presence of competition by becoming more aggressive and innovative," Blumberg asserted.

Additional savings in the hundreds of billions will be found by reducing government overpayments to private insurers that plague the system today, said Judy Feder, senior fellow at the Center for American Progress Action Fund. "Changes in medical system and public option will push health care system in direction of greater value."

.....






It is time for ACTION.


Republicans, Blue Dogs, ConservaDems, and lapdog media GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR WAY.







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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:07 PM
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1. they would just love this matter to go away but it isn't .
they will never support the American people.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:08 PM
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2. I have been watching the media a bit.
I saw two pundits, both of them argued the same point against health care reform.

Media is trying to help the Republicans stall health care.

Make them vote before the break so they have to go back to their districts and explain their vote to their constituency.
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 04:12 PM
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12. If people don't stay sick, then . . . .
drug company revenues fall, then drug company advertising retreats, then media companies, especially the news divisions of media companies, make less money.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:11 PM
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3. Fuck you, Joe--we don't need 60. All we need is 51.
And I'm betting we've got it--which is why you're pissing yourself.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:13 PM
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4. The longer the bill is delayed, the more watered down it will be.
And that is what these people financed by the health insurance industry are counting on. What? You think they want to delay to make it more comprehensive? My ass! This time is just to innundate the airwaves and the mockingbird media with the same kind of negative campaign that took down Clinton care for a repeat of that success. We'll end up with a bill without a public option and that will leave the insurance companies in charge with a make believe trigger if they continue their immoral and unethical practices, which they will, but oops! the trigger expired before anyone noticed.

Stay in session, write a decent bill and then vote on it.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:28 PM
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5. then the republicans could'nt go on paid vacation.
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 01:28 PM by Skink
duh
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malletgirl02 Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 04:09 PM
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11. Didn't something simialr happned to the Stimulus bills?
nt.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:17 PM
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6. They want to maintain the power of the status quo
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 02:31 PM by RandomThoughts
So they can try and keep their standing and contributions from big money.

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galloglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:37 PM
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7. "Delay!" ????
Oh, yeah?

And America says "Fuck 'em!!!".

If Americans have to hold all of the health management personnel in this country hostage (imitating the French, by "kidnapping" some of their corporate managers), then we should do so.

Why not bring the whole health care system to a big bloody halt? The poor and uninsured get no coverage now, so why are we not making the Health Barons of Corporate Medicine feel the pain instead??


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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:42 PM
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8. I saw that earlier and was yelling at my tv. Such utter BS and lies coming out about what the CBO
has now stated. Such a disappointment that the real news is contorted so much that real facts are completely ignored and that false claims take center stage.

Good thing Obama is out there calling them on their shit and quoting asshats like DeMint to prove the point that these people just want failure.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:55 PM
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9. six out of a hundred...fuggem
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 04:07 PM
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10. Let them eat greed.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 04:24 PM
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13. Hence the new topic of discussion
"Obama polling numbers are slipping does that mean he cannot pass health care" this from
Mika Brzezinski with the Morning Joe crew.

They tout the poll numbers to scare the weak into thinking and voting against their interest.

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