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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:26 PM
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Nate Silver: Rumors of the demise of health care reform are greatly exaggerated
He gives a number of scenarios that he thinks are the likeliest approaches to take to make reform a reality. His first is, I think, right on the money. As he points out, it wasn't Bill Clinton who was hurt most by the failure of health care reform in 1992. It was Congressional Democrats. These blockheaded assholes on the Hill need to be reminded of that.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/07/rumors-of-demise-of-obamacare-have-been.html


1. Whip Democrats Into Submission. This is probably the closest thing to the default approach. So long as there are a dozen or a half-dozen different iterations of health care floating around Capitol Hill, individual Democratic Congressmen can afford to bargain for their preferred version. "Progressive" Democrats from rich districts can object to the plan of raising taxes on the very wealthy to pay for expanded coverage. Labor-backed Democrats can try and play hardball on any proposal to remove the benefits tax exemption. The Blue Dogs can howl at the moon for whatever it is they want -- probably some kind of sweeteners for rural districts, like the ones given to farm-state Democrats on the climate bill. And advocates of the public option can continue to treat it as a sine qua non and threaten to oppose any bill that doesn't include one.

Once a particular bill is put up to a vote, however, the overwhelming majority of Democrats are going to have a difficult time voting against it. Health care reform remains quite popular in theory and at least marginally popular in practice. It will probably do the most good for those districts where conservative Democrats tend to reside.

And then there is the oldest motivator of all: survival. The failure of health care reform in 1994 may have damaged Bill Clinton -- but it really damaged the Congressional Democrats, who lost 54 seats in the House and another 8 in the Senate. Of the 36 incumbent Democrats who lost that year, only four (North Carolina's David Price, Ohio's Ted Strickland and Washington's Maria Cantwell and Jay Inslee) would ever return to the Congress (whereas Clinton, of course, was re-elected). Any Democrat who votes against health care, moreover, can expect to be permanently shut off from the Obama-run DNC and from most or all grassroots fundraising drives, and many of them can probably expect a primary challenger.

There are probably some Democrats who would be better off if health care went away. But once it comes up to vote, I'd imagine there will be very few who are actually better off voting against it.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:28 PM
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1. An excellent Nate article.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:35 PM
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2. Nate is spot on here:
I had argued previously that Obama should have done more to frame the debate and put a particular health care bill in front of Congress, rather than letting Congress handle it themselves.


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Blue Idaho Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:50 PM
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3. I think...
we all have a role to play here - each one of us needs to call, write, and email our elected representatives and demand health care reform NOW. If we don't use our collective voices to counter the payola from big pharma and the insurance cartel and the do-nothing nature of our congress Health Care Reform will slip away. Be sure to let you elected representatives know - this is a deal breaker for you as a voter. No health care reform - no vote for them in the next election.

Its time to go into battle once again. We are not only fighting the republicans, we're also fighting their blue dog buddies, the MSM, and all the profit centers in the health care industry.

This is not only Obama's fight - this is our fight too!
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:27 PM
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8. Agreed, and welcome to DU!
We need to back Obama up on this.
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TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 03:03 PM
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4. Someone should read this aloud in congress to those nitwits ...NT
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 03:22 PM
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5. Nate Silver seems to always make me feel better.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 03:38 PM
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6. How do we pry legislation, anything to be re-negotiated later, out of Finance.
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 03:40 PM by MarjorieG
Baucus isn't running again, so is he willing to scuttle it for the entire country? Maybe for a future job?
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:25 PM
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7. Thank you...Nate is an always welcome source of sanity
I relied on him a lot (along with DU) to get me through the election. I should go back and visit more often.
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