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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:54 AM
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David Coe of 'the Family': If you rape 3 girls it's ok because you're one of the chosen ones
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 08:22 AM by LynneSin
These are the religious nutz that provide cheap housing for right-wing fundie republicans (and a few Dems) like John Ensign, Mark Sanford and Tom Coburn. This is the owner of the house on C-Street where Chip Pickering would bring his mistress. And this article from Salon shows just how fucked up this 'Christian Mafia' is because they truly treat their politicians like they are above the rules that apply to the rest of the world (and I guess 10 Commandments too since they seem to all break that 'Thou shall not commit Adultery'



http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/07/21/c_street/

Sex and power inside "the C Street House"
Sanford, Ensign, and other regulars receive guidance from the invisible fundamentalist group known as the Family

July 21, 2009 | I can't say I was impressed when I met Sen. John Ensign at the C Street House, the secretive religious enclave on Capitol Hill thrust into the news by its links to three political sex scandals, those of Gov. Mark Sanford; former Rep. Chip Pickering, R-Miss., who allegedly rendezvoused at the C Street House with his mistress, an executive in the industry for which he then became a lobbyist; and Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev. Although Sanford declared today that his scandal will actually turn out to be good for the people of South Carolina because he's now more firmly in God's control, the once-favored GOP presidential prospect will finish out his term and fade away. And Ensign's residence at the C Street House during his own extramarital affair now threatens to end a career that he and other Republicans hoped would lead him to the White House.

When I met Ensign, he was just back from a run, sweaty and bouncing in place, boasting about the time he'd clocked and teasing a young woman from his office. She seemed annoyed that the senator wouldn't get himself into a shower and back on the job. When I wrote about Sen. Ensign in my book about the evangelical political organization that runs the C Street House, "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power," I described him as a "conservative casino heir elected to the Senate from Nevada, a brightly tanned, hapless figure who uses his Family connections to graft holiness to his gambling-fortune name."

Now, of course, I know I was wrong: John Ensign is a brightly tanned, hapless figure who used his Family connections to cover up the fruits of his flirtations, to make moral decisions for him, and to do his dirty work when his secret romance sputtered. Doug Hampton, the friend and former aide whom Ensign cuckolded, tells us that it was Family leader David Coe, along with Coe's brother Tim and Family "brother" Sen. Tom Coburn, who delivered the pink slip when it was time to put Cynthia Hampton out of Ensign's reach.

<<<<snip>>>>>

But David Coe, Doug Coe's son and heir apparent, calls himself simply a friend to men such as John Ensign, whom he guided through the coverup of his affair. I met the younger Coe when I lived for several weeks as a member of the Family. He's a surprising source of counsel, spiritual or otherwise. Attempting to explain what it means to be chosen for leadership like King David was -- or Mark Sanford, according to his own estimate -- he asked a young man who'd put himself, body and soul, under the Family's authority, "Let's say I hear you raped three little girls. What would I think of you?" The man guessed that Coe would probably think that he was a monster. "No," answered Coe, "I wouldn't." Why? Because, as a member of the Family, he's among what Family leaders refer to as the "new chosen." If you're chosen, the normal rules don't apply.



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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 07:59 AM
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1. Do you have a link to the rest of that? nt
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:01 AM
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2. whoopsies
:cry:
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:03 AM
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4. Imagine going undercover in that koolaid-fest?
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 08:08 AM by billyoc
:scared:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:03 AM
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5. I added it
hey it's early in the morning
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:12 AM
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9. Never worry! It was a good article....I liked this bit...
It's always nice to have a list:

Today's roll call is just as impressive: Men under the Family's religio-political counsel include, in addition to Ensign, Coburn and Pickering, Sens. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Jim DeMint and Lindsey Graham, both R-S.C.; James Inhofe, R-Okla., John Thune, R-S.D., and recent senators and high officials such as John Ashcroft, Ed Meese, Pete Domenici and Don Nickles. Over in the House there's Joe Pitts, R-Penn., Frank Wolf, R-Va., Zach Wamp, R-Tenn., Robert Aderholt, R-Ala., Ander Crenshaw, R-Fla., Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., Jo Ann Emerson, R-Mo., and John R. Carter, R-Texas. Historically, the Family has been strongly Republican, but it includes Democrats, too. There's Mike McIntyre of North Carolina, for instance, a vocal defender of putting the Ten Commandments in public places, and Sen. Mark Pryor, the pro-war Arkansas Democrat responsible for scuttling Obama's labor agenda. Sen. Pryor explained to me the meaning of bipartisanship he'd learned through the Family: "Jesus didn't come to take sides. He came to take over." And by Jesus, the Family means the Family.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:02 AM
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3. That is some bone-chilling stuff.
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 08:07 AM by billyoc
"normal rules don't apply". Pretty much the entire Republican Party platform.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:08 AM
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6. The faith based community in full glory
The truth might set us free of them...
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:23 AM
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17. Freepy types are eager to crown kings...
...and excuse just about any of their crimes.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:08 AM
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7. I am so glad that some in the media are not dropping this story. These people are dangerous
and those involved in this group (regardless of party) need to answer some tough questions. Has anyone heard if the IRS is investigating their tax exempt status?
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:52 AM
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22. They're not only dangerous
These men and women are potential traitors to this country. Now, does anyone wonder what kind of possible contacts these politicians might have within the Pentagon?
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:08 AM
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8. It's Time To Start Delving Into The Actions Of These Lawmakers That Live In This C-Street House....
We already seen what Ensign & Sanford were up to. And now we hear of Pickering.

So we need to give a good look at the others that live in this house or have frequented this house and see what kind of lives they live.

Perhaps they got in under the radar before - but now that the Family has been outed it should be scrutinized along with all of those residents (elected politicians) that live or have previously lived there when they supposedly represented the people that elected them.

Here are some of the names of the others on Capitol Hill that are said to currently live in this house: Lawmakers who are said to live there include
Reps. Zach Wamp, R-Tenn.
Bart Stupak, D-Mich.
Jim DeMint, R-S.C.
Mike Doyle, D-Pa.
Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma
Sam Brownback, R-Kan.

I wonder what kind of voting record these guys have up on the Hill?

Is there a pattern in their support or lack of support for the various bills that flow through Congress?

What kind of sick and twisted group is this anyway? And how do we prevent this group from influencing or shaping our so-called elected leaders?

I'm also wondering who some of the alumni are that lived in this house during previous Congresses? And what did we get from them?

We're currently in the 111th Congress now.

Who was part of this family in the 110th, 109th, 108th.... and how did they vote?

Is this house Co-Ed?

Do/Did women lawmakers live there as well? Do women lawmakers frequent the house?

This group sounds really creepy. I wonder what kind of influence patterns will be seen as to how this group has shaped this country?

It's time for some real investigative reporting.

There should be a 24/7 vigil outside this house - front and back entrances - people with cameras recording who enters and exits.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:14 AM
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10. According to Salon there has been one female lawmaker that lives there
However, if I was a woman I would not feel safe in that house. Reading that article made me understand how Mark Sanford (former resident) justified his affair by saying "Well King David did it too"

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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:20 AM
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15. I think many of us have the same questions
and from what I gather from all the various articles and interviews with Sharlat that these are the tip of the iceberg.

From what I've read, it seems the C Street House is for the big boys. They have other properties, one for men only and another for women only, that seem to be the training grounds for their brand of religion. Off the top of my head, I think Ivanhoe is the men's quarters and unfortunately the womens name escapes me, but that seems to be where the indoctrination occurs. The Coe's have a separate property just for them that serves as headquarters.

My own impression is that they seem to me a more extreme religious version of an "old order" Amish set up.

I agree, they need to be looked at very closely.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:41 AM
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24. They are the tip of the iceberg.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:40 AM
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21. It would also be interesting to see what church coalitions they belong to and the
the various networking activities of those coalitions and then corelate that with voting patterns, especially any voting anomalies.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:15 AM
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11. Off to Greatest you go.
Ya know, I don't usually believe in evil, but once in a while, something comes along to make me reconsider that position. People like Coe are among those somethings.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:17 AM
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12. We ought to beat that drum re Coburn.
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 08:20 AM by patrice
I worked for Mike Synar the year that the tons of national NRA money put Coburn in office.

We have the same thing going on here now with an over-sexed Sara Palin wannabe put into our district's state house seat by Americans for "Prosperity" :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:17 AM
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13. WHAAAA...? What a bunch of sick, evil, inhuman monsters!
:grr: :cry:

Sociopaths, all of them.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:20 AM
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14. I've been thinking about Coburn's claims of "privilege" in not revealing
what he talked with Ensign about the affair, saying that he was both a physician and an ordained deacon.

1. Coburn is an OB/GYN. What the hell was Coburn examining in his "doctor/patient" relationship with Ensign.

2. Is Ensign a member of Coburn's church? Deacons, BTW, aren't considered "clergy" under law.

3. The privilege, if it exists, is ENSIGN'S, not COBURN'S.

That "family" at "C Street" (want to bet they say the "C" stands for "Christ?") is one screwed up bunch of people, IMO.
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:52 AM
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28. Unfortunately,
I don't think the "privilege" issue will be pierced unless Leisha Pickering does it.

Congress most certainly won't.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:21 AM
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16. This story creeps me out
Not because these groups exist, but because they get elected to run our country by pretending to be the opposite of what they are. They're creeps and weirdos and sick fucks who fool us by pretending to be normal people. That in itself shows that they know they're creeps because they hide themselves and others who are like them with carefully constructed lies.

They make the laws. They decide things that affect us all, and now it turns out they're only in it for their own glorification and thirst for power, and they justify their inherent putridity by claiming God prefers them and wants them to be what they are.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:28 AM
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18. K&R
The Family needs as much exposure as possible.

What a repulsive group of people. :puke:

Fuck you, Coe. Ditto for your entire group of "chosen" ones. :nuke:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:29 AM
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19. Reading about things like this make me hope there is a hell.
Won't these guys be surprised.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 08:35 AM
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20. There is a Hell, here and now in the misery these guys have created. Yeah, they're princes alright,
Princes of Hell; that's why they don't suffer what they inflict on others.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:40 AM
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23. THIS IS WHY WE SEPARATE CHURCH FROM STATE
Though these people come from different religious backgrounds, what they are in effect doing is joining a new church - the Family - and that church has no goal other than to control the US government.
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bedazzled Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:44 AM
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25. "the family" is what charles manson called his group
doesn't sound too different, does it?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:56 AM
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29. +1 on that comment
Both of them are very scary groups
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:46 AM
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26. So glad this story is not disappearing.
K&R
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:48 AM
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27. adolescent little bastards. nt
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:57 AM
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30. "this'll only hurt for a little while . . ."
oh, i guess this isn't the same David Coe of "The Three Biggest Lies" fame.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 11:28 PM
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38. Would that be David Allen Coe? (You don't have to call me darling, darling)
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:58 AM
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31. disturbing stuff...
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:58 AM
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32. If there was a God, he would not know these people
and the gates of heaven would be locked for eternity.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 10:01 AM
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33. If these met Jesus, the same Jesus you'd read about in the Gospel
They would reject him for some poor indigent who has a few screws loose. Jesus had no job, no money, no rich parents to pave his way to glory and Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew. First sight on Jesus and they would reject him.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 12:17 AM
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39. They are the Pharasees
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greeneyedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:40 PM
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34. the Family aka the Church of Sociopathy n/t
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 05:02 PM
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35. K&R
I don't even know what to say about this. It's too disgusting for words.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 11:21 PM
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36. Why would Coe have used rape/molestation as an example???
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 11:25 PM by CoffeeCat
Why would Coe have used the example, "Let's say I hear you raped three little girls. What would I think of you??"

Coe replies that he wouldn't think he was a monster (for raping tree little girls) because "If you're chosen, the no normal rules
don't apply".

What kind of a sick person uses that as an example?

Also, what kind of a person WOULDN'T think that a person who rapes three little girls is a monster?

The only people who think that way are pedophiles.

Is "The Family" heavily involved in pedophilia?

There is a long list of REPUBLICANS convicted of pedophilia. A person who commits these crimes rarely commits one offense.
Usually, they leave many victims in their wake of destruction. Has anyone analyzed that long list of Republican pedophiles
and cross referenced it with their possible "Family" connections?

Coe used that specific child rape example for a reason. It's most likely a tip off to everyone that this type of
heinous crime is just fine and dandy to these freaks.

And of course, since these clowns say prayers and pledge their love to baby Jesus--they don't hold themselves accountable.

It's all good--if you've got God.

Actually, this type of delusional thinking and denial is soooo typical of pedophiles.

It would not surprise me at all, to discover that these people are a bunch of sexual deviants and pedophiles.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 11:26 PM
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37. A long time ago, there was another guy who called his followers The Family
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 07:51 AM
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40. K&R
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