The Family.... and the powers that be

[nadinbrzezinski]

if you have not thought of getting this book, GET IT. There, in that book, is detailed not only the powers behind the scenes, and they are not quite doing the secularists job... but also things like private citizens doing foreign relations work... a no-no under the Logan Act.

There is more, see that pardon of one Mr. Nixon by one Mr. Ford... guess who was behind that one?

I am still readying, but the power of this dark and secretive mafia... yes they use the term themselves, that works in cells, like Mao did... is astounding.

Yes, the who's who in the House and Senate, present and past organizations, is there.

My conclusion, so far, we already live in a theocratic state with elements of secularism to keep the rest of us misguided and happy... yes that is how deeply they have penetrated the power structures, of government, the military and the private sector. And yes, it is one of the two competing visions of America, the myth. The City on the Hill, Reagan's farewell speech, I knew it was a coded message. Now I know to whom. (Thanks NOT John Wintrop)

Oh and their vision is very scary... as in extremely scary and their reach is global... and imperial.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. You know I am shocked, this is a real summary of the part of the PTB

and it seems nobody cares...

Oh well

[Individualist]

2. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6114258&mesg_id=6114258

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

3. Illuminati

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. No, not Illuminati, not at all

read the book

[blm]

4. Some of us do care about this fascism...sadly, there are too many here invested in protecting their

Dem heroes who are aligned with the Family and its Fellowship.

They put their fingers in their ears and......LALALALALALALALA.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I would not call it fascsim either... though theocratic order

or theocratic fascism perhaps.

It is authoritarian, that is for sure, and a new way of misinterpreting the biblical message of helping the poor... apparently that poor misunderstood fella by the name of Clarence Thomas falls in the category of the poor.

[blm]

13. I think fascism and this group are intimately connected.

.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. They do not fit the classic definition given by the creator of the system

benito Mussolini...

Now that does not mean that there are no aspects of it that are similar, but they do not fit the classic definition.

Scarily, as I read more, they remind me more and more of the Iranian Islamic Republic...

Now the IIR is not a fascist state, but has totalitarian elements to it. In a way, this is what these guys want... and King David, that TV production removed from the TV so fast it wasn't funny. is a close approximation of what they seem to want.

[blm]

20. classic definition, no...what I mean is they have similar goals and often the same players.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Yes, but we need to be exact with the langauge, especially political language

and as much as the world fascism is scary to many people... realize not being exact makes words loose meaning

Hell, I could make the argument that both the Communist states of Eastern Europe and Fascist states share many things in common... and they do. They are both authoritarian... but they are very different.

[blm]

22. The CURRENT Fascism of BushInc relies on different religious groups, and is INTIMATELY involved

with this particular one. That is what I mean by intimately connected.

I understand your point, but, sheesh, it IS completely accurate to point out the connection to the new century version of Fascism. Today's Republicans aren't even near the same as Republicans from yesteryear, but, they're still Republicans.

[autorank]

10. Fascism is fascism k*r

These folks are very clever, The Family, and they operate by troweled on legitimacy. Well, look at who
belongs! and that includes Democrats like Sen. Nelson (Fl), Sen. Pryor (AR), and HRC. Does this mean
they're in full accord - Nope, not necessarily. They're just opportunists who dig what they can get out
of this group. I'll bet on one thing - this group always gets the better end of the deal with politicians.

At the same time, with full recognition of the horror that this group presents, I must say that the antics
of Ensign and the others vis a vis affairs are the most hilarious dark comedy I've seen in a long, long time.
They are such middle schoolers, mal adjusted middle schoolers.

Here's some background
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

And this too (oops!) - guest speaker (plus Bono) National Prayer Breakfast Jan 2009
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/01/29/obama-to-speak-at-national-prayer-breakfast.html

[blm]

14. I agree it's more opportunism...but, the COST to our democracy is the same.

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[City Lights]

7. Haven't read it yet, but plan to.

I've been interested in learning more about The Family since I first heard of their little cult. Everything I've read so far has been from magazines. They're creepy and scary, and they need to be exposed, big time.

[PRETZEL]

12. Same here,

this book as well as the book recommended in another thread written by Sara Diamond could be headed to the top of the reading list.

I think there's still alot more that will come out. I think most of it will be more scandalous in nature than criminal. The mention of Logan Act violations is the first I've heard of so that may be an intersting take on them. This may change my opinion of them.

Right now, based on what I've read, it seems like an old school secret society that has in it's roots a moral compass and ethos of the "old order" Amish. The analogy may be shallow but (imo) the authoritarianism and elitism of being the "chosen ones" is the best analogy I can think of.

The public knowledge surrounding this group, even though it been around for many decades, is still rather limited. I suspect within the coming year as more comes out about them that my opinion may change.

[get the red out]

8. This group needs to be discussed as much as possible

I know it isn't fashionable to believe this sort of thing, but at one time it wasn't acceptable to say the world was round either. This is just a criminal enterprise, after power and influence, and succeeding it that goal. It doesn't take a :tinfoilhat: to accept that gangs like this can exist, and do.

I am grateful this is getting discussed in liberal circles.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. I'm not sure it meets the RICO standards

though it violates the Logan Act regularly, and leaders in DC give a blind eye to it.

So in a way they are... with the consent of the power structure.

[autorank]

11. But I though we were looking at "the end of little RICO"

Good mention, very good The Logan Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

It's probably broken more times than any statute pertaining for activities involving foreign governments.

I was watching that new "reality" show on NBC about catching terrorists - "The Wanted" and wondered if it was
a violation of the Logan Act. But then I realized that to do what they're doing, they have to have the approval
of the U.S. Government. "Hooray for Hollywood"!!!! Aligned with the U.S. Government catch bad actors and use
bad actors to make money.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/arts/television/14want.html

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. We are and that might also spell a decreased influence

of these guys over fureign policy.

Then again, HRC is a member of the family... which is strange, since she happens to have a vagina. Yes, politics are for men only.

[Mrs. Overall]

15. Having been raised in a fundamentalist household, I am definitely going to read this book--

I am amazed at how many Democrats do not take the Christian fundamentalist movement seriously--as though it is just a bunch of whacked out weirdos, but it is indeed hate filled, prone to violence, and very insidious and dangerous.

I've been screaming about it for years and I always feel like my liberal and progressive friends just dismiss it.

[mod mom]

16. We ordered it but it's back ordered 3 weeks on Amazon. Can't wait! This needs to become

public knowledge and we need journalists to start demanding answers as to their ties.

[jonnyblitz]

23. I bought a used copy through abebooks.com a few days ago

and it's on the way. I guess there are plenty of used copies to pick from if one doesn't require a brand new book.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. It's #4 on Amazon non-fiction now. I'm going to look for it on eBay.

[Uncle Joe]

19. I will need to check this book out.

Thanks for the thread, nadinbrzezinski.

[autorank]

25. So true

:kick:

This is the dilemma we face. We're stuck with these nut-ball groups that have been tolerated as necessary by people who know better, yet feign tolerance. They need to go away but first be exposed. Time for truth.

And here's verification of your thesis:

Wash Post Mar 21, 2005

" The selection of Negroponte for the new post of national intelligence director has focused renewed attention on the question of how much he knew about the Honduran military's involvement in nearly 200 unsolved kidnappings during the 1980s, and what he did about it. The subject has dogged him in the past, and Democratic staff members said it is likely to be revisited when the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence holds nomination hearings, tentatively scheduled for April 12.

"A review of hundreds of declassified State Department and CIA documents suggests that Negroponte was preoccupied with "managing perceptions" about a country that had become a key U.S. ally in a decade-long campaign to stop the spread of communism in Central America. The documents show that he sought to depict Honduras in a generally positive light in annual human rights reports to Congress, and played down allegations of government abuse.

"Opinions differ sharply over whether Negroponte, who served most recently as U.S. envoy to Iraq and the United Nations, ever suppressed pertinent intelligence information for fear of undermining support for U.S. policies. "

[bobthedrummer]

26. It's like CHENEY/RUMSFELD et al. are the dungeonmaster in a politicized ritualized RW game...