If Obama's message was "We're all in this together," why are we not all in this together?

[omega minimo]

Health care? We all need it. We all need it to NOT be associated with employment; we all need it NOT to cost us more than we can afford or be PUNITIVE; we all need the predatory insurance companies out of the rigged game; we all need the Greatest Nation on Earth to catch up with EVERY civilized First World Nation on Earth and provide universal coverage.

Oh really? They provide education, mass transit and actual NEWS also? We'll get back to you on that.

Predatory lending based on speculation on speculation on speculation on specualation ruined the global economy? I know!! Let's put the exact same professional speculators in charge of the national economy and in prime positions in the State Department!!!!!!!!

When he said "We're all in this together" and claimed to speak for We The People, who the hell was he really talking to?$

[leftstreet]

1. K&R There are known 'We's and there are unknown 'We's

but we don't know which We They were talking about

[omega minimo]

2. and you go with the We's you have, not the ones you thought you had?................

:shrug:

[leftstreet]

3. LOL

I couldn't remember the rest of his quote.

You got it!

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[Art_from_Ark]

7. But you have to find the We's first

Intelligence reports say they may be north, south, east and west of Tikrit

[omega minimo]

10. LOL. We KNOW where they are, they're OUT There, Somewhere................

:spray:

[Oregone]

4. If we are all in it together, Obama would be pushing single-payer or what not

[omega minimo]

5. He's pushing somebody's what not.

[PretzelWarrior]

9. yeah, yeah. go reread "On the Road" and smoke a blunt.

you're too cool for school and all that. People like you don't get anything done, you just smell up the diner complaining whilst other people act.

[Forkboy]

11. You sound like you're ready to bomb someone again.

[PretzelWarrior]

12. just pissed off. aren't you?

you should be. this is a load of bullshit we're seeing go down right now in the esteemed halls of Congress and the cozy studios of Corporo/Cable/Broadcast Pornography some people still call the "news".

[Forkboy]

13. Not over the OP, but you sound it.

[PretzelWarrior]

15. no, I'm pissed off at "useful idiots" who make up an unwitting coalition

focused on maintaining the status quo. ALl the patchouli smelling hemp wearing uber-liberals among us are idealogically pure and would rather we fail to get any health care reform if they can't have their pet brand of health care reform. Wow. that sounds like the dipshits that voted for Nader in 2000.

Well, at least Al Gore can thank them for that since he got a Nobel Peace Prize out of the deal.

Yeah. I'm angry and worked up at the inertia of this group and its reflection of the whole U.S. population.

We're mad if a page takes longer than 10 seconds to load so obviously most of us can't be bothered to pick up the phone to call a congressman or go meet with them in a town hall or write an actual pen and ink letter to the editor. No, that is just TOO MUCH! Give us a text number where we can vote yes or no.

And the worst offenders are the bloated former protesters/activists of the Baby Boomer generation.

[Forkboy]

17. Alrighty then.

Have fun storming the castle.

[PVnRT]

19. Sounds like you need to smoke one and calm down

I know that would get in the way of your constant state of OMG OUTRAGE!!!!!! and general hatred of anyone who dares speak an opinion contrary to yours, but it will help your health.

[QC]

21. I thought you had made your oh-so-dramatic exit and left. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

28. And you have to be nasty personal because you have no point to make

And because you support a bigoted 'reform' plan that discriminates against millions of Americans. And you wonder why those it discriminates against do not join in your dance of joy over the bigotry? Grow the fuck up. Our families are important to us, not your rage.

Now go back and rage away some more against those who are not like you. It shows more than you will ever know.

[omega minimo]

29. " It shows more than you will ever know." It really does.

It shows that macho bigotry and violence is obsolete; common sense common cause is all that's left, if we pretend to be the U.S.A. and not CorporationLandInc.

At least the discussions could be civilized.

[omega minimo]

20. The hostility and bizarre cliches in response to your post show how divisive things are

a Get With The First World system is the only thing that makes sense, unless we are a corporate government. It's become undeniable....

Oh, I see, that's were the Nader references came in. What a convenient scapegoat, who warned what would -- and has -- happened...

How convenient to hate cliches and scapegoats and ignore the fact that people are dying from the industry run system and would continue to do so, without a sane solution.

[Oregone]

46. Such is life I guess

This is a very polarized country--so much so that there are even combating extremes within a single party. Aint it fun to shove half of everyone under the same big tent?

[omega minimo]

6. The discussions about poverty are just too much. Get up to speed folks.

How much do you want to accept how the clock has been turned BACK on the American people?

[FrenchieCat]

14. I want to insure the poor uninusured......

since I'm worried about the poor.

I'm not holding my breath for single payer...
cause that ain't how the poor will be helped this time....
by simply "holding".

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[Selatius]

16. Obama is blowing smoke up your ass if he said that.

Witness all the single-payer advocates being virtually shut out of serious negotiations with health care reform. This led me to one conclusion.

We are not all in this together. The only people in the life boats are the rich and their crones. The people who are too poor to afford lobbyists are left to sink to the bottom of the ocean. Sure, once in a while we get a life saver, and it helps make us think this Republic is still controlled by ordinary people, but it's not enough to correct the situation.

[Greyhound]

18. "Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom

of choice . . . you don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you." - Carlin
:kick: & R

[omega minimo]

23. Well, there's that.....

:toast:

[Nederland]

22. Because we are not sheep?

...and we all have different ideas of what should be done? :shrug:

[omega minimo]

24. Because you are sheep?

and the right thing to do is staring right baaaaaaaack at you? :toast:

[Echo In Light]

25. "Are we not men?! We are Devo." n/t

[omega minimo]

27. Do androids dream

of electric sheep?

[Echo In Light]

39. *

[omega minimo]

40. Cool. That looks like -- what's the artist name? Is that Crumb or looks like it?

:hi:

[Echo In Light]

41. Yes. R. Crumb

[omega minimo]

43. Very fine. Thanks, Echo In Light

:hug: :toast: beautiful

[Kid Dynamite]

26. Was your idea giving away everything to the fatcats?

Mine either. So there is some consensus already. Now if we just get the administration to share our view, we can hash out the details

[ColbertWatcher]

30. Because the President is trying to solve a problem, while the GOP is selling FUD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_fear#Fear.2C_uncertainty_and_doubt">Wikip*dia

[Orsino]

31. He was trying to be heard by us...

...though he has nearly been drowned out by the FUD our TVs are feeding us.

[Uncle Joe]

32. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, omega minimo.:thumbsup:

[bvar22]

33. Obama was talking to these guys:

They're all in it together.

[leftstreet]

35. Hey, we've seen these guys before!

[omega minimo]

37. Big Brother Is Watching You

Why be an ass? :kick:

[anonymous171]

34. Nice appeal to popularity fallacy you got there.

There are better ways to advocate for health care reform than that and you know it.

[omega minimo]

36. Remember that speech that blew everyone away? radical in its simplicity? Where's that spirit?

Why are we having endless gameplaying instead of a modern Western civilzation solution that moves powerful industry's mercenary profits out of national health care?

It's the only sane solution if we are not already totally corrupted.

[Romulox]

38. We are patently NOT "all in this together". It's insulting to pretend we are. nt

[omega minimo]

42. LOL

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"insulting"?
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Guess more people forgot about the speech than not..............

[Romulox]

44. "We lead developed world in poverty and inequality"

http://thehill.com/op-eds/we-lead-developed-world-in-poverty-and-inequality-2008-11-17.html

Reminds me of a Simpsons episode (the one with Frank Scorpio). Complete paraphrase:

Scorpio: I don't want you to think of me as your boss; I'm just like any of you.
Scorpio: Of course, I have a private bathroom, my office is a lot bigger than yours, I leave earlier, and I go home to a mansion at night.
Scorpio: But other than that, I'm just like you!

[omega minimo]

45. "Some pigs are more equal than others."

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[HughMoran]

48. Certainly not much

Unless you have a fondness for bitterness.

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[CreekDog]

50. keep lecturing me on the rules

and lecture me on being abusive.

[omega minimo]

51. Stop making personal attacks.

[CreekDog]

52. i'm not attacking you

nice try though. i just thought your OP was pretty incoherent.

we might even agree on the kind of system that would be best but i can't tell what you are advocating.