Simple question: If Obama is nothing but a puppet of corporate interests,

[cali]

why is the corpocracy so dedicated to destroying him? And make no mistake, that's their intent. It can be clearly seen in the battle over healthcare reform.

[EmilyAnne]

1. Very good question, Cali!

I agree that their intent is to destroy HIM, not just the health care proposal.

[Captain Hilts]

2. Same in '93. Same answer. nt

[rug]

3. They're not destroyng him, they're tightening the strings.

[cali]

5. lol. baloney. the intent to destroy him couldn't be clearer.

Jim DeMint put it quite succinctly. and what does that even mean; "tightening the strings"?

[rug]

10. Baloney is stating his interests are greatly dissimilar to their interests.

Since it's your analogy, the tighter a puppet's strings, the greater the control.

[Aramchek]

25. who's pulling your strings?

[rug]

27. Who's writing your posts?

[John Q. Citizen]

28. Who's on first! i know the answer to that one!

[John Q. Citizen]

4. i saw the news conference with AHIP, SEIU, Big Pharma, the hospitals and Obama all hanging out

together smiling.

I see an executive from Goldman Sachs join Obama's team.

And I have to wonder what you see?

[cali]

6. What do I see? I see the massive effort to demonize his health reform efforts

and the public option which he supports. How on earth have you missed that? Extraordinary that you can't see it in the MSM and in the massive advertising campaign against health care reform.

[John Q. Citizen]

12. I don't watch a lot of TV. I do know that Baucus gets more money than anyone else

from the health care industrial complex. And of cou4rse so do many many other Dems since they now control congress.

Which options does Obama support? I haven't seen him actually specify exactly what he's like passed in specific terms

I do know that the house just passed a bill out of 3 committees that sets up a public pool option that would be running withing 4 years (2013)and within 10 years would cover a whopping 10 million people. That's a very weak option. And it's probably as good as it will get since the house is far more liberal than the Senate.

i can't imagine the health insurers being too upset about that, since they will be subsidized to cover the other tens of millions of people who currently aren't paying them for coverage. If you look at health insurers stock, it's doing quite well. Nobody there is freaking out.

Which corporations do you see demonizing Obama's efforts? Frito Lay? Boeing? American Airlines? Monsanto?

The only people I imagine are applying pressure are right wing front groups, but that isn't the corporations, that's the political class who prefer the status quo to a perceived Obama win on health care.

So my question is what corporations are you talking about?

[havocmom]

7. Eloquently and elegantly put!

Skinner might think about putting that up as a DU banner.

Been thinking what is going on feels a bit like the mood when D.C. insiders and paid flunkies worked so hard against Carter. And Obama is much more effective than Carter, so the status quo corporations and their flunkies must really be worried about what Obama might actually accomplish.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

8. Ever hear of the "good cop bad cop" technique?

:shrug:

[cali]

9. apply that axiom to this specific situation.

how does what your implying work? What are the mechanics? Are you suggesting that the corporate interests spending millions aren't really opposed to the Obama's healthcare reform platform? Are you suggesting that he's in collusion with them, and is risking virtually all his political capital for... well for what exactly? Beyond a cliche what is it you're trying to say?

[John Q. Citizen]

14. Who are "the corporate interests' you keep talking about? Is it #Westinghouse? GE?

Who are you saying is spending the money, according to you, to destroy a health care reform that will cause the US Treasury to subsidize the health care industrial complex with over a trillion dollars?

Please give a list and the amounts they are contributing to this effort you keep saying is happening.

[cali]

29. The inusurance and pharmaceutical corporations, to begin with.

And the groups that are running millions and millions of dollars of ads against Obama and healthcare reform. It's right in front of your face.

[HamdenRice]

11. Why are you trying to bring logic into Obama-hatred?

That's a logical question, but many of the people you are addressing this to are not thinking logically. We're talking about people who, during the financial meltdown, were screaming (on line), "Let It Fail!" -- ie bring on great depression 2 so we can have our rapture, uh I mean revolution.

These are not the most logical people, ya know.

[John Q. Citizen]

16. Hamden perhaps you can help. What corporation is the OP talking about? Who are they and

how much money are they donating to bring Obama down?

Is it Firestone?

If you please do a search on my handle you will see that I never advocated "Let it Fail." Are you saying the corporations that you and the OP claim are attempting to destry Obama wanted the economy to fail? Is that why they (who ever "they" is, i still can't get an answer) are donating money to bring him down?

Please supply some facts. Thanks!

[rug]

17. Why are you trying to bring facts into Obama-love?

[John Q. Citizen]

18. I call it "tough love!"

[John Q. Citizen]

20. Apparently they got no facts, just a lot of bluster.

[closeupready]

22. Bluster and smears - no facts here!

Nope, keep the facts, ma'am! :rofl:

[cali]

30. some of us actually go out to work in the morning, dear.

and can't get back to you right away.

[HamdenRice]

21. I didn't think you advocated "let it fail"

Also, the OP doesn't say the corporations are "donating money to bring down Obama." The OP says corporate interests are trying to destroy Obama.

Corporate interests would include the health insurance and pharma interests, their trade groups and lobbyists, their bought and paid for republican congressmen, who are trying to kill health care reform.

It's pretty obvious from the ads being run in my local tv market that they want to kill health care. And just the other day, Sen. DeMint declared health care would be Obama's Waterloo. What more do you need to know that corporate interests want to kill even modest reform and defeat Obama here as Napoleon was defeated at Waterloo?

[John Q. Citizen]

24. i'm sure the Repos want Obama to look as bad as possible. But I'm also sure that the

insurance industry has been working closely with both Obama and the Democratic Congress to get laws passed that will require everyone to purchase insurance and for insurance to be subsidized by the government.

If you have read the house bill that just was passed out of 3 committees you know that both of those insurance company backed provisions are in that bill. So why would they want to scuttle the bill they wanted?

The public option in that bill doesn't go into effect until 2013 and it calls for 10 million people enrolled by 2020. That isn't a problem for the insurance industry either because it means that at least 40 million more customers will be buying insurance, many with government subsidies.

I'm sure DeMint wants to kill anything that can be remotely called reform. But i'm also sure that there is no reason for the insurance industry to try to kill an industry backed bill.

Please go to open secrets, or one of the many sites that track political contributions and you will discover that at this point the Democrats are getting far more money from the health care industrial complex than the Repos are. That is a fact. It only makes sense that they are because they run the congress and the committees.

[el_bryanto]

13. Good question

There is something to be said for oversimplfication.

Saying "The Corprotists want" or "Big Business wants" is kind of a fiction; the nations businesses don't have a unified agenda on every issue. They don't literally get in a room and plot ways to screw us over. Yeah there are lobbyists and trade meetings, but even there, there are disagreements.

Frankly there are plenty of businesses that will benefit from a healthcare solution.

Bryant

[Odin2005]

15. You are expecting the Obama-haters to use Logic?

As NadinB said elsewhere, "The Interests" are as scared of Obama as they were of FDR

[Blue_Roses]

19. ...and for those of us without healthcare,

the anger builds...

I don't think many people realize until now, just how much the corporate interests have stopped this from happening over the years. I'm so proud of Obama for tackling this now and you're right. But this time, I think a revolt is in order against the corps...

...the people need this too much too wait.

[geek tragedy]

23. The Naderites are the true tools of the corporate powers.

The Naderites #1 agenda item is to kneecap and hamstring any Democrat who is in a position to challenge corporate power.

Look at health care, where the Naderite left is joining forces with the AHIP et al to keep the status quo and defeat 'Obamacare' as the wingnuts and the Naderites call it. (the Naderites claim it's to help single payer pass, but no one with two neurons to rub together believes single payer can pass).

This is why Naderites on the left are every bit yhe enemy that Republicans are.

[John Q. Citizen]

26. Yep, the Naderites hold all the power and all the cards. Poor Obama, he's a goner!

I don't need to add a sarcasm thingy, do I?

Could anyone be that sarcasm impaired that it would be necessary?

[Forkboy]

31. All 10 of them!