More on the family...

[nadinbrzezinski]

well folks the book goes also into the history of religion in the US. I did learn something interesting. The First Great Revival shared a critical point with the Family, and that is their search for wordly power. So this is not just about an organization, but also the rise of Manifest Destiny and Empire.

Also the way it is organized, it is a multiple levels of secrecy, with most people who even know of it not actual members. And yes they work in the classic cell structure (they call it covenant) of many a 20th century revolutionary movement, which they see themselves as.

Oh and Democracy and rights... are uppity.

Yes, as I read I am finding myself taking extensive notes... but here is something to start your search as to the connections to US History.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Great_Awakening

Pay special attention to Jonathan Edwards, who created a theology that included a christ that is present every where, not just in the church, and this also leads straight to the Dominionist movement of the present day.

(Oh and this note is critical... sometimes conspiracies are real, in the LEGAL sense of the word... I expect many of these posts to be sent to the Dungeon... I have no clue why)

[Tangerine LaBamba]

1. Every Comparative Religion and American History course

spend a good amount of time on Jonathan Edwards, a far more influential character in our history than most people suspect. This is where a lack of knowledge condemns people to suffer the same ignominies over and over

There are plenty of people out there who are convinced the Great Awakening is still going on, and their votes count just the same as ours.

Or, in the case of those on Capitol Hill, a bit more......................

[mitchum]

9. You are correct...

Edwards is also covered extensively in so many American Lit classes.
He is indeed an influential character.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Sharet cast him in the way of one of the Intellectual fathers

of independence and as one of the two major threads in American Culture. In that sense, he is correct.. just that we emphasize the Enlightenment, it makes us feel better I guess.

[juno jones]

2. I saw your thread last night and was shocked that it went to the dungeon.

We're talking about something real here, perhaps procecutable.

Kicking and reccing now. There's been a few posters on this board who were bringing this information to our attention a year ago with little fanfare. Now that the shit is reaching the mainstream, we should be losing our complacency on these issues. And we certainly shouldn't be putting legitimite posts on this matter in the 9-11 dungeon where (a)no one will see them, (b)the one-issue dungeon trolls can rip them apart and (c)we'll all feel safer for it.

As a nation our famous last words are going to be, "Silly, it can't happen here.......arrrrggh!"

[glitch]

3. A post on "The Family" got sent to the dungeon? That is just strange. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. This is all I could do this morning

:banghead:

[redqueen]

4. Wow... that's very, very odd... why send these threads to the dungeon?

Hmm.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. I don't know but I had the same reaction

could be that some posters still feel that any thing smacking of a CT, never mind this looks like a legal one... belongs there

[dgibby]

7. Why would this go to the dungeon?

especially when it's being covered on a nightly basis by Rachel. This is news,and it affects the very power structure of this nation. Why send it to the dungeon? That makes no sense, imo.

on edit: I've ben forwarding all these threads to Rachel.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. If she can read my hand writing she can have my notes

:-)

[mitchum]

8. Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry Fascist

my apologies to Mr Edwards

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Theocrat... slight difference

:-)

[mitchum]

14. You are correct; that is more accurate

Damn you! :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. I figured something else too, connecting dots

Islamo Fascists... as inaccurate as using the term christo fascists.

Both are theocrats

But the reason why OBL became a danger to these guys, and we all know fascism is damn scary is... they want to bring the kingdom to all the world... (it is quite imperial). Well OBL wanting to reestablish a Sunni Caliphate in the ME is not quite agreeable to this project of sending the good news around the world, and imposing a religious world government.

Words matter... and we need to be damn careful about it... and get off the fascist band wagon... they are not. Even if they are just as scary.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Link to the dungeon sent article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x257747

[KamaAina]

16. Family founded in 1935. Fascist coup attempt aborted in 1934.

Family known to have ties to dictatorial regimes around the world. Coincidence? :tinfoilhat:

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. I don't think so,

the only thing that gives me pause is... Seatle and Abraham Vedere, that is where it was created...

But coincidence perhaps... the only reason why I say that is... the Bush's (Presscott was a major player in the coup) were never brothers, they are associates. George Junior is the closest to the center of power and still looking in.

[AntiFascist]

18. The one connection to fascism I noted....

is that Veriede was strongly influenced by Buchman, who actually felt that a fascist theocracy might be necessary to spiritually heal the world. (I haven't read all of Sharlet's book, but this is mentioned in the section on Buchmanism). In fact, Buchman spent time in Nazi Germany trying to get close to Hitler so that he could "convert" him. Apparently the Nazis didn't trust him, thinking he was a British spy.