I get so sick of hearing about Canada or England HC systems

[ashling]

Let's be clear what we are talking about. We are talking about reforming the Health Care Financing System, not the whole mish mash of a "system." In truth, we don't have a system, but a haphazard accident that has arisen piecemeal into more of a Labyrinth.

Even if we can tame the financing monster, there are still problems festering. These could possibly be tamed by going to a system which provides care, but this is not what is really being considered.

[dflprincess]

1. Exactly! (eom)

[frebrd]

3. You took the word out of my mouth (keyboard): Exactly!

[Eric J in MN]

2. We should go to the UK system.

Just use taxes to pay most doctors and nurses instead of paying insurance companies.

[ashling]

5. That's not gonna happen here ...

at least not now. Let's get this finance system tamed. Make it so that anyone who even thinks about the 'old' system (the present labyrinth) will be laughed down ... then maybe a case can be made.

There is more than enough money in the system to pay for this. That Health insureance co. (I don't remember the name) that just made well over 100% profit ... shake that tree. How ever many people they are insuring, they could have insured 2x that. When profits are down to fair compensation, that money can be put into actual health care.

[stuball111]

8. Like I said before..

It's like there is a rampaging Elephant running around the room, and everybody is screaming to get the mouse trap! Shoot the damn Elephant and let the mouse run free! Look at the two systems! Universal has worked fine for over 50 years, and this system here has gone bezerk! Isn't that proof enough> I can't help shaking my head on this one! If you had two stores selling Cadillacs side by side, and one was selling them for $1000 and the one next door was selling the same thing, same, warranty, identicle in every way but for $80,000 which one would you buy?

[ashling]

10. I'd probably by a Dodge Ram, but that's just me LOL

:)

[stuball111]

12. I stand corrected ...

Can't get an ATV, horse, or motorcycle in a Caddy...And Caddys suck off road!:toast: :bounce: :hi: :headbang: :applause: :rofl:

[enlightenment]

4. So, why are you sick of hearing about actual health care

systems?

I get the part about the use of language in this debate that makes it sound like they are actually trying to create a workable, sustainable, and just system of health care in the US when in actuality they are doing nothing of the sort . . . I just don't understand why that makes you sick of hearing about systems that do work.

Is it just frustration? Because THAT I understand.

Personally, I think we should all be smacking the morons in Washington DC (morons collectively, regardless of party or position) over the head with the existence of systems EVERY SINGLE DAY. Every moment of every day.

When we capitulate and use the language they (or rather, the lobbyists) have chosen - 'public option', etc - we are giving away the most effective tool we have. Proof, in nations around the world, that nationalized, socialized, non-profit health care systems are the ONLY workable, sustainable way of providing just and equitable health care for everyone.

[ashling]

7. What I get sick of

(I guess I didn't really explain) is all of these canards that the health insurance people are throwing up. Trying to scare people about that system's faults when it is not even part of the consideration. Now I don't think those systems are bad, mind you, but it just clouds the conversation.

A single payer system doesn't have anything to do with that.

Its like the "govt. beareaucrat" canard.

[enlightenment]

11. Ah - okay. Thought that was what you were saying,

but I wasn't sure.

We agree!

[stuball111]

6. Sick?

Other countries "systems" are used for an example of what could be an answer to our problem here. There can only be two solutions. Harness the present one using more regulations and oversight, which doesn't work, or bring in real competition in the form of not-for-profit administration of health care. Contrary to the RW liars government does not "run" health care in a Universal system. Hospitals, clinics, Doctors, and labs are all private. All the government does is collect the money in, and pays it out.It's that simple. And there's only one body running the whole mess, not 200! AND there is no profit motive, therefore, no way for greed to nose it's way in. As long as health care is based on a for profit motive by having insurance companies in between the patient and doctor, it is bound to fail, stay the same, or get worse. Take the insurance companies out, and put in one administrator, and hospitals, doctors etc. can still enjoy THEIR profits, and what was previously skimmed off by insurance companies can go straight back to the patient and covering the uninsured.

[ashling]

9. I agree

I'm sorry I didn't make myself clearer. What I mean is that we are only talking about changing the financing of health care, not the provision of health care ... that needs to be made clear.

[stuball111]

13. Ahhh! Got it

And you are right, I thin they are dangling a carrot with the "public" thing,and it ain't even on the table, and yes, there is an imbalance for sure with some getting none, some getting some, and a fee getting lots, and everybody getting screwed.:crazy: