A Certificate of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate...

[moc]

So sayeth G. Gordon Liddy.

:crazy:

Teh stupid. It burns.

:crazy:

[stray cat]

1. Gordon Liddy is not American he was born in Saudi Arabia and is a terrorist sleeper

at least there is as much evidence for that conclusion about Gordon as he has that Obama is not an American.

[BlueFRanco]

2. A HENIUS CRIMINAL is questioning a brilliant man

G GORDON Liddy ==RACIST NIXON CONVICTED FELON

[Tangerine LaBamba]

3. Liddy seems to be failing -

it was kind of cruel for Tweety to have him on the air. The man's clearly not in command of all his faculties - not that he ever was.

What does it mean when a news program solicits the opinion of a third-rate, convicted felon radio host who's never done a thing for his country except try to aggrandize his own sick self?

Liddy was an embarrassment. Maybe that was the point?

[monmouth]

4. And all of the interesting people...hahaha,....are on vaca....n/t

[malaise]

18. He looked like the grim reaper

and sounded like death. He was pathetic.

[Gabi Hayes]

21. he just got his bottle of cialis confused with his stash of outdated

quaaludes, ca 1974

he thought they were sending out for another beach photoshoot:

[N7255Q]

29. I'm pretty sure that was EXACTLY the point...and the fact that GGL agreed to appear

is just more evidence that he's a mental zombie.

[4lbs]

43. You talking about Liddy, or Rush? Actually... both.

;)

[National Steel 27]

5. Technically, he is correct.

I found out the hard way when applying for a passport.

The Certificate I had used to obtain Driver's Licenses, play Little League Baseball, join the Navy, etc., was a Certificate of Birth (issued by the State of Washington) and not a legitimate Birth Certificate.

[LiberalAndProud]

8. So what did you do?

I tried to use my hospital certificate to get my kids enrolled in elementary school. I soon found out that I had to present one which had the State Seal on it.

Your experience and mine are kinda the same and kinda different.

[NutmegYankee]

16. I think he mistook the electronic certificate for the "collectible" Hospital certificate.

[National Steel 27]

25. I applied to the State.

But to get even, I totally fabricated a non-existent address for both my passport and DL. The State never caught it.

[Mrs. Overall]

47. Yeah, right...

[LiberalAndProud]

55. Yea, that's what I did too.

And I got a copies of birth certificates with the State Seal was embossed on it. It's a Certificate of Live Birth. (That's what it says, really.)

I think we both had the same experience. Keepsake certificates issued by the hospital (is that what birthers mean by "long form"?) are not legal documents.

[moc]

57. Re: the "long" form...

My guess (as if I could understand the mind of a freeper), is that they're referring to the full birth certificate, which includes not only legal information but also medical risk factors. For an example, see the current U.S. standard certificate of live birth at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-ACC.pdf.

However, the "long form" wasn't adopted until 1979 (and has been revised several times since). Prior to that, it was the legal info only, or the upper part of the BC. So, there was no "long form" in 1961 when Obama was born.

[TahitiNut]

10. Gee... ya gotta REALLY wonder how Obama ever got a passport, huh?

:eyes: :eyes:

[armyowalgreens]

32. He's a secret muslim born in Kenya...

He don't need no stinking passport.

:crazy:

[NutmegYankee]

11. Was it the display certificate that the hospital hands out?

I had that happen when I was getting my learners permit way back when. Had to get an "official" stamped copy.


On edit: I'll note that I still got my permit, since we told the lazy DMV people to just pull it up from the computer database. They confirmed where I was born, and gave me my permit with the statement to get a "real" birth certificate. As you can tell, this was all well before 9/11.

[moc]

22. No, it was the certified copy of the BC, the one issued by state vital records.

Yes, it's copy, hence the certification. The original doesn't leave the state health department.

[NutmegYankee]

49. The state cannot ignore a certified copy - Article 4 of the Constitution...

[moc]

19. No, technically he is not correct. FWIW, I analyze birth certificate data

as part of my job. I'm a professor in public health, doctorate in maternal and child health, 17 years. So, yeah, I know what I'm talking about. I analyze BC data to examine infant mortality rates.

The document is labeled a Certificate of Live Birth. It's a birth certificate.


My condolences to you for having bought into teh stupid. It burns, doesn't it?

[National Steel 27]

33. I didn't buy into shit, hotrod.

Just relaying a personal experience.

The State of Texas was pretty adamant about the whole deal.

But I have a totally bogus, non-existent CA address on both my DL and passport. That's how fucked up things are. Hell, I cannot send a package on UPS without a correct address. I guess their system is better than the State of CA and the passport office.

By the way, what is "teh"? I have oft wondered.

[moc]

39. Uh, I live in Texas. I teach in Texas. I analyze Texas birth records.

I know alot about Texas vital records. So what you're claiming the State of Texas was so adamant about, I have no idea.

Hang around, you'll figure out the "teh". It's DU lingo.

[heppcatt]

52. teh is internets lingo.

[moc]

53. Thanks. I'm an old fogey who's not always up to date on these things.

;-)

[Art_from_Ark]

62. US passports do not show the address of the passport holder

You can write in your own address if you like, but the official information listed in the passport does not include current address.

[RaleighNCDUer]

34. WHAT is the difference? nt

[moc]

38. More information to cure you of teh stupid

Here is a link to the U.S. Standard Certificate of Live Birth

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-ACC.pdf

Each state has the perogative to make modifications, but most state standard B.C.'s look at a lot like this. The medical/health data (lower half) were not added until about 30 years ago, so would not have been present when President Obama was born.

Note the title at the top. It's a birth certificate.

[Gabi Hayes]

44. that's pretty all-encompassing....I just looked at my Illinois-certified copy.

all it has on it is name, parents' names/ages, county of birth (nothing about hospital, Dr., anything else like that), DOB, certificate number, and the fact that it's an official copy of the birth certificate.

it's what I used to get my passport

[moc]

46. The medical information doesn't come with the certified copy of your BC, just the legal part.

Were you born after 1979? Back in the day (pre-electronic BC submission that came on line in the 90s), the BC was actually perforated between the legal and medical information, and the data were entered separately.

The medical information is used to analyze risk factors for infant mortality, low birth weight, etc. It's interesting what things they decide to include as interest in new risk factors emerge. For example, with this latest revision, they've added ART - whether the pg was the result of assisted reproductive technology. It's been difficult to determine how much of the rise in preterm birth rates we're seeing is due to ART.

[Gabi Hayes]

54. I wish

somewhere I have the 'xerox' of my hospital certificate, complete with baby footprints.

wish I could find that

are those things still available? I think my hospital is gone, too, though

[moc]

56. I don't know if the hospital retains those or not. I know I got commemorative

ones with the foot prints when my kids were born. (Although God only knows where they are now.)

[madamesilverspurs]

51. My BC

had to be 'updated' post 9/11 to satisfy social services requirement. The document, issued in Colorado, is titled "Certificate of Vital Record." The old one, also issued by the state, had been good for over 50 years. It was titled "standard certificate of birth." Go figure.

[Art_from_Ark]

61. The document I used to get my passport was a Certificate of Birth

issued by the state I was born in. It is an official Birth Certificate. States are in charge of issuing Birth Certificates, unless the birth occurs overseas.

[rwheeler31]

6. Dam I got lots of stuff with one of those bogus documents.

[Critters2]

26. Me, too. My passport, my driver's license. Stoopid government officials.

They need G. Gordon to explain things to 'em. :banghead:

[Jazzgirl]

35. Yup.

I got a passport and other shit with mine too.

[SleeplessInAlabama]

7. Jimmy's lawnmower vs. the lawnmower of Jimmy n/t

[moc]

41. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

:applause:

[MineralMan]

9. But, damnit, President Obama is required to present his

original birth certificate to any convicted felon who asks for it. Wait...what?

Morons abound.

[TahitiNut]

14. It'd be worse if he was home fixing a door.

:dunce:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

15. Hey!

You ever see George W. Bush's birth certificate?

Hmmmm?

Did ya?

[MineralMan]

31. He was not born. He is an animatronic figure.

Have you seen him lately? I didn't think so. He's being stored at Disney headquarters.

[Historic NY]

12. Better make sure you have the legal one for Social Security......

I actually had to get the certified one for college classes to prove I was born in NY State.

[Gabi Hayes]

30. haaaa...to get a job in Virginia, I had to produce my social security card. they would NOT

accept my VA driver's license, which had my SS number on it.

so I had to go to the SS office to get a new, official copy.

in order to receive the new, official copy, I had to produce my......driver's license!

[RaleighNCDUer]

37. LOL - I love it.

Ever see 'Brazil'?

[ThomWV]

13. My Passport says I was born in DC and it gives the date - they required paperwork

To get that Passport I had to obtain an original issue birth certificate from Washington DC. It cost me fifty bucks to get an official copy and they used that to verify the place of birth shown on the Passport. So the Passport confirms where I was born just as well as the original document. So what does it say on the President's Passport? That's all the proof that is required to my mind. Actually no proof is required to my mind. If I had run and won nobody on earth would question my word that I had been born in DC or anyplace else I might claim. There is no reason to challenge the President's word either.

[Hello_Kitty]

48. Yeah, but was your teenage mom part of a fiendish Manchurian plot

To have you grow up in the U.S. masquerading as an American citizen, while being groomed by Bill Ayers to usher in the communist takeover of the U.S.A, which would be facilitated by ACORN stealing the Presidential election for you at age 47?

Huh??!!?!1!

[Robb]

17. I always enjoyed my folks talking about Liddy

My dad's something of an uninspired winger, my mom not so much.

I remember my dad saying something like, "Liddy's OK, he quotes the bible a lot."

And my mom said, "Yeah, used to be that's all you had to read in prison." :D

[ColbertWatcher]

20. And a burglary is not a scandal. It's time for you to retire Mr. Liddy. n/t

[N7255Q]

23. You want stupid? Check this. I farted around and let my Drivers License expire.

The xenophobic idiots in the lege here passed a new law that after expiration, they can only be renewed by
showing an 'official' Birth Certificate. The only one I ever had/have is a hospital document (from 67 years ago) and they would not accept that. I pointed out that it was good enough to get me into the Air Force but they were not impressed. So I said "well shit, the government accepted it for my PASSPORT"....

"Oh," said the civil servant clerk, "If you have a passport we can use THAT" I brought in my passport which was ALSO expired but it worked like a charm. Got my DL renewed in 5 minutes.

:silly:

[theothersnippywshrub]

24. GOP rules are clear and require a birth certificate to vest legal title to a Negro. n/t

[Clintonista2]

27. LOL

[Critters2]

36. Dammit!! This birther nonsense is damned hard on my keyboards!

:spray:

[Champion Jack]

28. I LOVE the birthers!!

Every time they open their mouths they look like complete idiots.
What do you think of when you think of the right wing?
The birthers, Sarah Barraquitter, sex scandals, joe the plumber and teabaggers!

[doc03]

40. You gotta give Obama's parents credit

for being so smart they actually posted a false birth announcement in the newspaper. They must have somehow known he would grow up to be President someday.

[N7255Q]

45. And from 9000 miles away yet!

:rofl:

[Johonny]

42. Just pay Liddy enough

and he'll plant a birth certificate where ever you need it.

[pipi_k]

50. Fucking dipshits

I mean, really.

Are they ever going to give up?

Just like the assholes insisting that we never landed on the moon. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. We were in a race with the Soviets. Do these fuckwits really think the Soviets would have allowed us to get away with fakery all this time without raising hell?

Now the birth certificate dimwits.

Yeah...40 years ago there was this huge plan to put a black man in the White House. And the whole goddamned government is in cahoots.

It's a PLOT, man!!!!!


good lord, like someone said....the stupid burns...

[muntrv]

58. Repukes need to learn the English language.

[Historic NY]

59. yes the do....see below

[Starbucks Anarchist]

60. He also referred to Spanish as "illegal alien."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/liddy-lets-hope-sotomayor-who-speaks-illegal-alien-isnt-menstruating-at-conferences.php