Interesting take on the Gates situation and the comment

[2Design]

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137

Interesting take on the Gates situation and the comment

<snip>If Gates is concerned about the racism in the situation he needs to respond to the fact that it was his neighbor who racially profiled him. It was his neighbors who had embarrassed him not the cop. But then again correcting his neighbors would be to close to home and not a money maker.</snip>

[tekisui]

1. .

:eyes:

[dgibby]

2. According to the police report,

she was not a neighbor, she was walking by his house on her way to work, saw what she thought to be a break-in, called the police, waited at the scene, then gave her report.

[seabeyond]

3. i didnt get that report. i got she was at a home, cop first went to the home and person at door

said the person calling it in was standing in front of home waiting for cops.

[dgibby]

5. Here's the report:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/download/2009/0720/20120754.pdf

[seabeyond]

6. i have read this like the fifth time. and again, says he went to the door

asked for the witness, (after calling ahead for her to be at front door) and was told the witness was standing on the sidewalk. he went to her....

i am not reading anything else. you read and clarify for me please, your info

[dgibby]

7. According to what I'm reading,

the police officer was on the porch, heard a woman calling to him from the sidewalk, saying she was the person who had called the police. Had I been her, I wouldn't have gone up to the front door, either, especially if I thought the people I had seen "breaking in" were still in the house.

I feel sorry for the woman who called it in. She's being vilified. No wonder no one wants to get involved when they see a crime being committed.

[seabeyond]

9. he went to the door of complaint after calling house ahead of time. (tells me she lives there)

person in the house said person who called in was on sidewalk.

that is all it says leaving a person to assume she lived in the house she gave the address to the cops

and what a load of crop about the "no wonder no one wants to get involved"

[dgibby]

10. You asked me to explain my understanding about the police report.

That's what I did. The fact that you either do not choose to understand or do not understand either what is written in the report or in my explaination is unfortunate.

BTW, the phrase is "load of crap", not load of crop.

Contrats. You have earned the honor of being the first and only DUer I've ever put on ignore. Have a nice day!

[seabeyond]

11. this is what has you put the first person on ignore? what, my typo? or the fact

i give you the words in police report and they contradict the story you tell?

[jjray7]

4. Disorderly conduct?

This is my problem with the Gates arrest. I absolutely believe Gates started yelling at the cops the minute they came into his home. But was that unreasonable given the circumstances? Once it was proved with two forms of identification that he was inside his own home, the cop should have apologized and left. Period. Every citizen has an absolute right to privacy within his own home! Disorderly conduct? That crime requires action that disrupts order in a public place. How in the world can an individual commit disorderly conduct in his own home? Does the cop maintain the professor was yelling so loud that the neighbors could not sleep?

Instead of apologizing like he should have, the cop let his ego get out of hand. I bet my bottom dollar that he kept telling the professor to shut up (even after it was clear that the cops had invaded the guy's home).

"You better shut up or I'm going to arrest you."
"Fine arrest me then because my right have been violated."
"Up against the wall, hand behind your back."

That's how it went down. The prosecutor dismissed the charge immediately. Why? Because it was completely bogus. The cop should be reprimanded for fallaciously arresting a citizen merely to prove a point (i.e., I am a cop and you must bow to me). That point seems to be missed in this discussion.

[Mike Daniels]

8. Apparently, according to the police Gates continued his rant outside of the house

Which would technically border on a public disturbance. I guess one could ask Gates if he was continuing to yell at the cop once he stepped outside of the door.

[quiller4]

15. Your own yard is not considered public

[TorchTheWitch]

17. yes it can be

If passers by can observe what is happening in your yard what goes on there is "in public". That's why you can't run about naked in your yard screaming and banging pots and pans if that behavior can be witnessed by others not on your property. If you want to run about naked in your yard that is secluded from outside observers and do it quietly, then that's fine.

[Coffee and Cake]

12. The problem was that Gates wasn't simply yelling

He was making false and very presumptuous accusations. Gates did not show temperance when playing the race card, but haste.

I am not validating Crowley's actions, since I also find them to be more wrong. But Gates was not "simply yelling", he was unnecessary exacerbating the situation and creating a racial divide. From a Harvard Professor of his caliber, I would expect better.

From police, I would expect temperance in this situation and reason to trump emotion, but unfortunately it didn't.

[Quantess]

13. Too late to Unrecommend.

[quiller4]

14. The woman who called was not a neighbor although she has often

been mis-identified as such. She is a campus employee taking a walk in the area.

[diderot20]

16. interesting!

interesting!