Crowley: "Obama offended not just the Cambridge Police Department but officers around the country"

[tj2001]

CAMBRIDGE, Massachusetts (CNN) -- The police officer who arrested a black Harvard professor says President Obama offended police when he accused Cambridge authorities of acting stupidly.

Sgt. Jim Crowley says he is disappointed President Obama opined on the matter without having all the facts.

"I was a little surprised and disappointed that the president, who didn't have all of the facts by his own admission, then weighed in on the events of that night and made a comment that really offended not just officers in the Cambridge Police Department but officers around the country," Sgt. James Crowley told CNN affiliate WHDH-TV in Boston.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/24/officer.gates.arrest/

[MzNov]

1. Cry me a river Crowley. nt

[Vinnie From Indy]

2. He had one fact...

Gates had established his identity and right to be in the home BEFORE being arrested.

[Karenina]

4. Another fact...

He had NOT been invited into that home and had no warrant.

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. Keep talking Crowley

You freakin racist fool.

[Supersedeas]

71. Crowley priorities --- shill, shill, distract, and shill

[City Lights]

5. Fuck off, Crowley.

Get over it.

[AndyA]

6. So...let me make sure I understand this.

A neighbor reported a possible break in to the police.

The police show up to find a man in the residence.

The man at some point does show the police a valid photo identification that lists the address of that residence. The man further shows the police valid I.D. that proves he is employed at the local university.

Obviously, the man has a right to be there yet he's still arrested anyway?

Who is in the wrong here? :shrug:

Surely it's not the man. It IS, indeed, his home. The police further could have asked the neighbor who reported the break in to verify the resident. But the resident got arrested. For what?

[Wesker]

35. Gates is wrong

For disorderly conduct..read the report. The police officer goes to the house, where a break in had been reported, and in fact had actually occurred, the "scholar" and his driver had to break in because he forgot his keys. The officer sees someone inside the house. He asks to see ID..very reasonable thing to do. The response to his question is a belligerent man calling him a racist and refusing to cooperate. Why this response? If you just broke into your own house, a reasonable and prudent person would say, "office, I had to pry open my door, here's my ID I live here..thanks for your prompt response and thanks for watching out for my safety"...A racist elitist race baiter would say "You're a racist cop". Why was he arrested..because he couldn't let it go..he followed the officer outside, continuing to cause a disturbance the entire time.
Let me ask you on the left a question...if someone broke into your house and a neighbor called and a police officer showed up and found them in the house. The burglars say "We live here"..the cop says oh..ok..and leaves..you get robbed blind.
What really pisses off cops however is NOT the reaction of Gates..cops deal with people like that all the time. What really pisses off people is the fact that the president spoke rashly, without having all the facts. A proper presidential remark would have been " I'm sorry, I don't know all the facts in this case so I can't comment right now", but instead he's quick to jump on the "cops are all racist" bandwagon, like the community organizer he his.

[GreenPartyVoter]

38. When did the President say "cops are all racist?"

[quiller4]

39. The behavior described on the report doesn't meet the legal

definition of disorderly conduct in MA statute.

I'm very glad the pres said what he did. If Crowley had shown up at my door he would have been told "Show me a warrant and I'll let you in. Otherwise leave."

[Wesker]

55. How does it not meet the legal requirements

Here's the law:
A disorderly person is defined as one who:

with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or
recklessly creates a risk thereof
engages in fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or
creates a hazard or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose.

The professor was causing public annoyance and alarm by screaming and yelling at the officer and calling him a racist....for trying to protect his butt...nice guy.

[GreenPartyVoter]

60. Here's one possible reason why. "Commonwealth v. Mulvey"

Commonwealth v. Mulvey
57 Mass. App. Ct. 579 (March 14, 2003)

Police presence in and of itself does not by itself turn an otherwise purely private outburst into disorderly conduct.

The defendant was charged with disorderly conduct for yelling and pacing on private property that was set back from the road in a secluded area. There was no one around at the time except police officers. While the statute requires that the disturbance be such that it had or was likely to have an impact upon people in an area accessible to the public, the presence of police officers alone will not suffice to prove the public element.

In reaching its decision, the Court noted that the rationale behind criminalizing disorderly conduct rests on the belief that a disorderly person can provoke violence in others.. Given that an inherent part of police work involves being in the presence of distraught individuals, and given that police officers are trained to maintain order, the Court concluded that police should be the least likely to be provoked. Therefore, police presence alone does not satisfy the public element.

http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=dmdaterminal&L=5&L0=Home&L1=Court+Decisions&L2=Court+Decisions+by+Topic&L3=Crimes&L4=Disorderly+Conduct&sid=Dmdaa&b=terminalcontent&f=courts_mulvey&csid=Dmdaa

(Credit goes to Merh for finding this.)

Now I don't know how large a crowd if any was gathered at the time of Gates' arrest, or if there was if it still met the criteria for being a group likely to be incited to violence.

[Caliman73]

92. He was yelling at the cop from inside his home.

The cop asked Gates to go outside. Gates was still on his porch, and it appears the only "public" he was disturbing were the other officers from the Harvard Campus police. Where was the "purpose"? Where was the "alarm"? the fighting? the ...?

That is how it does not meet the legal requirements and that is why the DA dropped the case.

[Subdivisions]

40. 'Let me ask you on the left...' Means you're not. So, what are you doing here?

Someone send this person a pizza please.

[Wesker]

49. Curious to see how you guys think

I found this site looking up info on the Gates case...You're a funny bunch. I love the well thought out eloquent responses like "Fuck off Crowley"..and "Fucking Bigot"....ad hominum attacks show just how superior you liberals are.

[Howardx]

50. yes yes we are terrible people

now leave.

[Wesker]

52. No tolerance???

Where is the liberal tolerance???? I guess this site is only for fellow travelers and no opposing ideas need be expressed. Gosh..an opposing idea..you might have to actually think and defend your positions...how frightening!

[Howardx]

54. liberals dont tolerate stupidity

and DU doesnt tolerate freeper trolls.

[Wesker]

59. So opposing ideas are stupid

Better to live in you bubble then to attempt to defend your ideas.

[Howardx]

62. question for you sparky

why do you think you should be allowed to post here and force us to "defend our ideas" when the faintest hint of liberalism gets the instant banhammer at most if not all RW sites?

[GreenPartyVoter]

57. LOL Spend time in GD:politics. There is very little consensus in there on

most topics most days. And since there is, there must at least be some tolerance of different opinions. (But you would have known that had you looked around a little longer. :( (Heck, the fact that they allow a registered Green to participate here must speak to some level of tolerance and civility, yes?)

[bertman]

61. Thanks for posting, Wesker. I found your comments to be very pertinent and your

analogy to be a good one. However, you let your anger and your dislike for Democrats show through in your post, and that will earn you a quick ticket out of here. This is, after all, a Democratic forum.

You're right that there are a lot of people on this site who are intolerant of others. But that's true with Republicans as well as Democrats--and Independents, and Greens, etc. It's a human thing--visceral reaction based on one's personal prejudices.

Anyway, thanks for your comments. There are some really good discussions on here and lots to be learned--if you are willing to be more open-minded.

Cheers.

[GreenPartyVoter]

67. He just told me he is going to leave the site. :^( I really think it is too bad. He might

have contributed to some good discussions here if he could have left off with the trigger phrases that get so many people worked up. (And with good reason.)

Now he's gone away and has seen nothing to improve his view of people on the left side of American politics. :(

[Wesker]

82. Sorry to go

One last post...sorry to go..you, and some of the others seem to be very open and honest in your thoughts and it might have been fun talking to you and debating ideas. Sorry if my early posts used some trigger words..didn't want to be perceived as a troll so it's best I go, plus some of the more colorful members here would just end up pissing me off to the point that I would say something ugly, it's pretty tough not to respond to them even now. Anyhoo...I appreciate your words...I did not mean to include you as a cop hater, sorry I pigeon-holed you.

[GreenPartyVoter]

83. Thank you for the apology. I'm glad you understand where I was coming from with that. I will say

there are plenty of people here who make my blood boil, but that is what the ignore function is for; so I can navigate the board without flamebaiters driving me out of my mind. :)

If you ever change your mind about being here, I would be glad to see you come back and join the various discussions we have here. For instance, your thoughts on the health-care bill since that's a major issue before us right now.

[GreenPartyVoter]

51. Thanks for assuming we all think alike. Now _your_ prejudice is showing.

[Wesker]

53. My prejudice?

...and yet I'm told to go away because I dare to offer a different point of view

[GreenPartyVoter]

56. "How you guys think....How superior you are" You are pigeon-holing and

insulting us. Of course people are gonna get riled up over that.

You have a preformed and negative opinion of all liberals as a group. Hence, your prejudice.


I would be far more willing to entertain your ideas and chew on them for a while if you didn't immediately insult me for no reason that I can see.

[Wesker]

63. I'll go away

Meh...I'll go away, but maybe some of you cop haters could, just for a minute, try to put yourself into the shoes of a police officer and see things from their perspective. If you've done the job for any length of time (24 years for me) you would realize that everything isn't what it looks like..just ask the family of the Texas State Trooper who was gunned down on a traffic stop my a 75 year old guy a few years ago...you learn to ask questions. Gates behavior was NOT normal..the officer did not know who he was at first since gates refused at first to ID himself....the report was 2 men breaking in...the question if anyone else was in the house was perfectly reasonable...what if it was a home invasion and the men were in the house holding a loved one hostage...it's happened before...Instead of weighing the facts and offering a reasonable response to the officer most here condemn him as a racist bigot idiot. The president then..without knowing the facts..makes a judgment on the officer. All in all it's very shameful way to treat people who have to wear a bullet proof vest and carry a gun just to do their job. It's been fun, I'd enjoy debating you, but I know when I'm not welcome...carry on your hate speech against the police.

[GreenPartyVoter]

65. At what time did I express myself as a cop hater? Again you are pigeon-holing here. :^( I am

sorry to see you leave. I think you had a lot of interesting things to say, but the Left vs. Right pissing contest between you and half the people in this thread overwhelmed anything of value being said. :(

[Javaman]

73. You'll have a stone pizza before then. nt

[MadHound]

And perhaps you should put yourself in the shoes of the people you purport to serve

I've gotten pulled over for doing nothing, the cop's answer to my question of why I was pulled over was "I haven't seen you in the neighborhood before." And that was when I was on a bike. Or when I get pulled over for the standard hassle because I'm walking down a public street at 2 am. I've gotten pulled over while walking. And yet when I need a cop, after a car load of red neck assholes took a tire iron to my bike, or when a neighbor drunk on whiskey kicks in my front door for no good reason, it takes forever for the cops to arrive, in the first instance forty five minutes (and the cop station was two blocks away), in the second instance thirty minutes.

And I'm a white guy with long hair. I've gotten off easy, go talk to African Americans or others with brown skin. There's a good reason why minorities are distrustful of cops, because they've been hassled, beaten up, hauled in all for no good reason. This isn't hate speech, this is reality.

The cop could have done one thing after Gates IDed himself, he could have apologized for hassling Gates and gone on his way. That action alone would have helped change peoples' attitudes towards the police. Instead, the idiot cop decided that he was pissed, that he didn't have to admit when he made a mistake, and arrested Gates. Sorry, but that is stupid, typical cop stupidity.

Come down off your own high horse and walk a mile in the shoes of those that you are supposed to serve and protect. Perhaps you'll learn something.

[Howardx]

80. he's not a cop

i see absolutely no reason to believe that this troll is actually a cop.

[havocmom]

76. Plenty of cops in my family. They would be very critical of Crowley, were they alive today

In fact, one of them used to bust bad cops. He loved his professions and worked to rid it of unprofessional bozos whose actions continually put their fellow officers at risk.

He would probably have been very curious about your record.

[PhilosopherKing]

81. You're intention is clear

you just want to piss people off here.

Just to weigh in on this topic, once Gates's identity was established and he was indeed the resident of the house, then Crowley should have walked away.

[WeDidIt]

87. Yep, you ain't gonna last

What do you want on your pizza?

Bye.

[WeDidIt]

84. Prosecutor dropped the charges. Gates isinnocent.

Welcome to DU. I doubt you'll last.

[Cha]

89. Crowley's in the wrong and he fucking knows it.I don't believe

the egomaniac's report. The charges were dropped and the station apoligized.

[Spazito]

93. What a load of codswallop....

but I suspect you already know that. Did you know Officer Crowley broke his own State's laws when he did not provide his identification when it was requested?

Massachusetts law requires police officers to carry identification cards and present them upon request. Officers are also required to wear a "badge, tag, or label" with their name and/or identifying number. The law is aimed at precisely the situation in question—suspects who feel their rights are being violated. Few other states impose this requirement on their officers as a matter of law, but many individual police departments, such as the New York Police Department, have adopted it (PDF) as a matter of policy.


Chapter 41: Section 98D. Identification cards


Section 98D. Each city or town shall issue to every full time police officer employed by it an identification card bearing his photograph and the municipal seal. Such card shall be carried on the officer’s person, and shall be exhibited upon lawful request for purposes of identification.

Link to Chapter 41: Section 98D:

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/41-98d.htm

So, who actually BROKE the law here?

[Echo In Light]

7. I'm not much of an Obama fan, but I side w/Obama on this one. Fuck Crowley

[stlsaxman]

22. Well, that's big of you...

Thanks for sharing.

[Echo In Light]

66. Don't mention it

[Old and In the Way]

8. How soon before Jim the Cop starts making the conservative tours?

I assume he'll get his shot on Fox News soon. I'm sure the City of Cambridge is loving all this attention Jim the Cop is bringing to bear on this story.

[rocktivity]

9. YOU offended democracy by stupidly arrested someone who'd just proved

he hadn't committed a crime.

Cue the DU "Cry Me A River" String Quartet!

:nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity:
rocktivity

P.S. By the way, sergeant, are you aware that Gates can sue you FEDERALLY for violating his civil rights?

[TwilightGardener]

10. Aw, is he relishing his fifteen minutes? Good for him. Never mind that

his fame comes from being a major fuck-up at his job.

[HughMoran]

11. He better shut the fuck up

He's an idiot risking an awful lot for his moronic behavior. What an ass hole this fucking jerk is.

[d_b]

12. cry about it on fox news, pussy.

[zbdent]

13. * offended the world ...

you see the freepturds getting their underoos in a bunch?

[Echo In Light]

15. M$M can help to plant that seed in the public mind and make it a given "reality" that many abide

And idiots clammier on about how criminal conspiracies among the corporate/state nexus are non existent. The mind boggles.

[mix]

14. Cops always forget, they work for us.

We as citizens, including Obama, have every right to speak out against their "fraternal order," particularly when one of theirs engages in bad policing and racial profiling.

Crowley is playing the populist victim card now, and that is dangerous.

[Echo In Light]

20. "Fuck you, and your ticket, too. Now go get me a drink of water, public servant."

~ George Carlin, on how to handle cops during a traffic stop ... and when he says, "and your ticket, too," you crumple it up and toss it at the cop's chest.

[mix]

23. translation:

do your job and arrest the real criminals

[Cid_B]

74. It turned out so well for this fine fellow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwEl0I2p9yQ

One of my favorites.

[KansDem]

86. Check out this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXZZ-F6q8lY&feature=related

Turn you car off! Turn your car off!

[Karenina]

27. He's pullin' a Palin. You betcha!

[redqueen]

16. I was going to express shock that he'd attempt to speak for all officers...

but then I remembered that whole Blue Wall thing... and figured he probably is speaking for all officers.

[tj2001]

30. I'm sure there are many fine police officers who are professional and law-abiding

But most of them will not speak up - or are afraid to - and are therefore complicit in this.

99% of the time they'll let their trade union cover up the misdeeds - and crimes - of a seemingly large segment of their workforce.

It's not worth risking their jobs, friendships - and their fat pensions.

[redqueen]

34. And until that changes, they can't say shit about people not respecting them.

IMO.

[FloriTexan]

17. The truth stings n/t

[skepticalndnc]

18. Read the polic report

The report is available free of charge on TSG.com. I don't feel for Mr. Gates. I feel for the policeman who acted in a mature responsible way and has received NOTHING but grief and abuse for correctly and appropriately doing his job. He DID try to leave. It was Mr. Gates who followed him out of the house and onto the yard. He did try to calm Mr. Gates who continually verbally abused the policeman. No one in the this country, NO ONE, regardless of their job or position should have to take this kind of abuse from anyone. Had Officer Crowley been a private citizen in this situation, he could have called the police and Mr. Gates would have been arrested for disturbance of the peace! Oh, and read the corroborating report from Officer Figuroa. Are you implying that Latinos are also profiling an innocent black man? Or that cops will watch out for other cops because, I get it, all cops are dirty rotten pigs. Racism in this country will continue as long as blacks see themselves as victims. It was Mr. Gates who should have taken the higher road, shown his ID, thanked the policeman for watching out for him and his property. JMO

[EFerrari]

26. I hope that racist asshole regrets this bad arrest for the rest of his career.

From now on, he'll be known as the idiot that arrested Henry Louis Gates at his own home because he didn't like his tone.

[AlexinVA]

29. "Racism in this country will continue as long as blacks see themselves as victims."

Right... it's all in their heads, correct?

[TwilightGardener]

33. Blacks are to blame for racism against blacks. There ya go.

[mix]

36. Bad cops and racial profiling happen in large part

because of people like you who refuse to see that not all cops are honorable, many commit crimes, are racist and do incredibly stupid things such as Crowley has done.

Your attitude in other words is part of the problem.

[quiller4]

41. Nothing Gates said or did is illegal. I've read the report

and it only reinforced my belief that the officer was way out of line.

[orwell]

68. Actually...

...The Blue Wall is not a myth.

I have family members who are cops. One made it to the rank of captain.

They have assured me that policemen are expected to cover each others backs.

A friend of mine in Internal Affairs said the Blue Wall makes it difficult to weed out the bad cops because the good cops are often intimidated into backing up their fellow officers, even to the point of falsifying police reports and in extreme cases evidence. It is a real problem.

The police officers union will always close ranks when an officer's authority or veracity is questioned.

They have a tough job, but they chose to do it. There are many good cops who do their job with incredible professionalism. There are also some bad ones who shouldn't be on the force. There are also good cops who are having a bad day, week or month.

Police officers are humans, not law enforcement robots.

Very few people know what really went down. Police reports can be unreliable as well as witness testimony. Eyewitness testimony is even unreliable, especially from those directly involved.

The charges were dropped. That in itself speaks volumes.

[Stevenmarc]

19. Crowley needed to sit in the STFU chair and take his time out.

[USA_1]

21. Police Unlawfully entered Without A Warrant

Therefore, they are the ones who violated the law. As such, Gates should sue the city and get back loads of money for his troubles.

And where the hell are all the reich wing 2D Amendment rights advocates to say that he had a right to use his weapons of choice to ward the cops away??

[quiller4]

44. You are correct. Crowley entered illegally. n/t

[ellie]

24. Wow, he just won't shut up, will he?

[OHdem10]

25. I think most fair minded Americans would look at this and say

each side could do a bit better.

I still ask myself -- was it necessary to arrest and cuff Gates.

None of us were there but for all this hullabaloo to come out
of one incident, there had to be some angry words from each.

Gates had to have said something that ticked the Police Officer
off.

Each of these persons have a higher responsibility. I expect
more from College Professors and I sure as heck expect more
from a Police Officer who specializes in Diversity Training
or Police (Profiling Black Citizens).

Did Professor Gates over react and perhaps say some things
he might now regret (whether he is willing to admit it or not)
Did the Police Officer momentarily forget all the goood things
he teaches others and as a human follow his gut???
As an American, I would have a problem with someone arresting
me in my own home for tumultous behavior--whatever that is.
The Neighbors had not reported loud disturbing the peace behavior,\
They reported a possible burglary.

There is something wrong with the picture. Police go to check
on possible burglary. Homeowner is breaking into his own home
because he had lost or forgotten his key. End up with Homeowner
in Cuffs(was this necessary).

Now can we get back to HealthCare and other drastic issues
facing the country.



We have a case of two smart people with big egos. Is this really
a serious Racial Profiling or the Media who love to talk Race
because it creates conflict.

[EFerrari]

31. Gates didn't break into his own home. He keyed himself into the back door.

And this is clearly racial profiling. The man is disabled and he had just ccme off of a flight back from CHINA and he was ill on top of that. Instead of IDing him and HELPING him, this idiot goes in there and escalates this non-problem into an arrest.

Racial profiling is a drastic problem, btw. It can get people killed.

[USA_1]

32. ''I still ask myself -- was it necessary to arrest and cuff Gates.''

No it wasn't. That's why they had no choice but to drop all charges.

[redqueen]

58. Wow... you're still confused as to whether Gates should have been cuffed and arrested?

Wow.

[BurtWorm]

69. Is it wise to give cops the power to arrest people--and cuff them--who tick them off?

If cops were only permitted to cuff and arrest people who commit crimes--and were fined for arresting people just because they "ticked them off"--I wonder what affect that would have on the percentage of black men who are arrested.

[BlooInBloo]

28. Fuck you, bigot.

[quiller4]

37. Crowley offended his peers-recommend reading Norm Stamper's

editorial on HuffPo. Stamper is the former Chief of Police in Seattle WA and a past president of the National Assoc. of Chiefs of Police.

[Vinca]

42. The bottom line is this:

if the disorderly conduct charge had been valid, it wouldn't have been dropped like a hot potato. The biggest problem for this cop is the professor isn't the usual powerless individual commonly profiled.

[AuntPatsy]

43. Not at all but i might have been offended if he had not answered with truth

the question the reporter asked of him. This guy is a true idiot and it seems plans to go to war with the already set in place idiots out there attempting to hurt Obama...get a life guy, I for one won't let this one get away with it.

[Karenina]

72. Aunt Patsy, that caller you heard...

If her account is accurate, can you wrap your mind around the sheer arrogance on display here? :freak: I know I can't.

[AuntPatsy]

79. Well I listened to her for some time, I believe her and I don't trust easily...

there was just something in her tone, I could almost see her facial features frowning as if, well, thats life, I hope it will get better....I can only hope that if true her story comes out and changes are made....because if true, what a sad way to live, scared of your own shadow for fear of those your taxes pay to defend people and yet in reality just not you....


I do believe she was being honest..and no, I cannot wrap my mind around some of those commenting today....between outrage and sighing I am exhausted from the emotions from not only reading some of the responses but listening to the media which to be honest for this reason I rarely do but my curiosity is getting the better of me to find out how they will spin all of this.

[Fleshdancer]

45. So now he thinks he can speak for police officers around the country??!?

The BS actions of a few police officers make it harder for all police officers...including the ones who are smart enough to leave when they realize the person is the homeowner and not a burglar.

What did Crowley expect the public reaction to be? What did he expect Obama to say exactly? That we should support the police when they arrest a homeowner for being in his own home? Did he expect us not to think it was race related? WTF?

[Wesker]

46. Problems with authority

One thing I've noticed about you folks on the left is that you have big problems with authority. You seem to despise the military and the police. You're quick to take the side of anyone with a complaint against the policed even if you have no idea what the facts are..you rush to side with anyone with a claim against our soldiers and Marines, without having all the facts..the acquitted Haditha Marines for instance. Why do you hate those who risk their lives to protect you?

[Howardx]

64. as opposed to RW'ers

who cant suck up to any authoritarian power structure quickly enough.

[Cha]

91. As opposed to RWs who lie their way

through life with the hypocricy oozing outta their pores.

[Cha]

90. "You people on the left"! Cops are great..just not

this fuckin' crowley asshole.

[opihimoimoi]

47. remeber the cop choking the paramedic driver who was driving a patient

to the hospiral?? in the Western state??

He was docked 5 days pay for acting too stupid

its the same thing...

all this coulda been moot had crowley backed off

it was noonish

the ole man is 80 years old...walks w a cane

had i d on him....its his house

its supposed to be the end of it...

now its a ploy to denigrate/disparage Obama

This GOP PLOY IS SICK

[lumberjack_jeff]

48. no, just you. n/t

[damntexdem]

70. Obama offended stupid police everywhere.

I guess each cop will have to decide whether or not s/he fits the description, so should feel offended.

[rucky]

75. Cops are the victims, now?

How the fuck are they supposed to do their jobs, if they whine every time a citizen (or the President) demands their respect?

[otohara]

77. The Media Offends Me EVERYDAY

especially Lou Dobbs and this big old hag on CNN

[graywarrior]

78. Let him talk more so we can really learn what Crowley is all about

[Cha]

85. How did I know that was coming!

crowley is the ultimate whiner and he plays by limpdick rules.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

88. What a whiney little punk.

[USA_1]

94. Quoting William Pitt ...

"The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail-its roof may shake-the wind may blow through it-the storm may enter-the rain may enter-but the King of England cannot enter-all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement."


Had Pitt or our Founders been around today they would be the first ones to defend Mr Gates. If KKKonservatives had any principle at all, they would do the same.

[BlooInBloo]

95. Oh - different William Pitt. Heh.

[TexasObserver]

96. Who cares what Jim Crow-ley thinks?!

He's a self important jackass, a rube with a badge.