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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:14 PM
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Ezra Klein: Why Democrats Will, at the End of the Day, Pass Health-Care Reform
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 06:14 PM by babylonsister
Have faith!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/why_democrats_will_at_the_end.html


Why Democrats Will, at the End of the Day, Pass Health-Care Reform
Ezra Klein


"Democrats should, but almost certainly won't, listen to Jon Chait," writes Matt Yglesias. He's referring to this post Chait wrote on the way Americans will judge health-care reform:

People do not pay close attention to details...f health care reform passes...it will have a Rose Garden ceremony, lots of commentary about the historical import, liberal celebrations and conservative apoplexy. If it fails, then the plan will be described as a "failure" -- a designation intended to describe the political prospects but which is certain to bleed into the public's estimation of the plan's substantive merits -- and produce endless commentary about liberal overreach, all of which will make people more prone to believe that the plan was a disaster.

Democrats simply have to accept that health care reform is going to be polling badly when they vote on it. There's no mechanism in the current media configuration that would allow them to convey the details of the plan in a positive way without getting overrun by negative process stories. It's just not possible. What they have to focus on is which alternative is likely to make them better off: reform passing or reform failing. It's an easy call, which is why I think reform will pass.


First, a word on the bad "process stories" afflicting health-care reform right now: This sort of thing is inevitable. The final stage of a legislative fight is a bit confusing: It is very hard to tell a legislator who is voting against a bill apart from a legislator who is trying to maximize his influence over a bill. The two of them do the same thing, after all: Express concerns, point out a couple areas of disagreement, admit to overall ambivalence. But one of them doesn't want to vote for the bill and the other is positioning himself to vote for the bill. Reporters, however, can't read minds, so they take the statements at face value. That makes things look a lot grimmer than they are. As they say, it always looks darkest before the deal.

But there will be a deal. This is, in part, for the reasons Jon outlines. Importantly, however, the argument in his post is not some brilliant insight point he thought up during a particularly productive hour on the treadmill. It's just what happens. With all major pieces of legislation. And everyone knows it. Medicare Part D, for instance, barely survived the legislative process. It had a one-vote margin in the House of Representatives. Republicans almost broke the Congress securing the bill's passage. If it had failed, the ethics violations and angry Republicans and huge price tag would have launched a thousand editorials explaining the bill's failures and the deep inadequacies they demonstrated in the administration's policy process. But the bill didn't fail. Now it's law, and pretty popular law, at that.

Democrats know full well that there are two plausible outcomes to the health-care reform process. Health-care reform will fail, dealing a huge blow to the Democratic Party and giving Republicans tremendous momentum as we enter the 2010 campaign season. Or health-care reform will pass, and Democrats will criss-cross the country touting the largest legislative accomplishment in decades. Republicans may still attack them on the plan. But attacking a historic legislative success is a whole lot harder than attacking a historic legislative failure. Republicans know that, which is why they want to kill the bill. Democrats know it too, which is why they won't let them.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:17 PM
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1. People are dying because they don't have health care
all these rich people discussing this and that but at the end of the day many people do not have proper health coverage.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:23 PM
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2. We know that. Have you ever seen ANYTHING
happen quickly in DC? This argument has been going on for 50 years. We're herding the cats now; it will get done.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:32 PM
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5. Yes we are in reach!
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:00 PM
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7. My main concern...
...is that Democrats come to the conclusion that any health-care bill will be better for them politically than having it go down in flames...so they will pass something that will allow them to claim credit -- but will be so watered-down that it really won't do anything to help the average American (and may, due to penalties attached to the mandate and possible taxes on benefits, make people worse off). But, hey, it'll be a health-care bill, so stop your bellyachin'! :eyes:

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:04 PM
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8. I don't think a lot of people will accept that, including all
the progressive Dems in the House who won't vote for anything if there isn't a public plan involved. I remain hopeful.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:28 PM
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3. But, but, what about bipartisanship?
I'm sure that will be the primary concern from a family that has no health coverage. I'm sure they'll say:

"Well, we're going to get health coverage now after being uninsured for years, but gosh darnit why did they have to do it by the reconciliation process in the Senate? I'm really sad that this was done without bipartisanship."

Please.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:29 PM
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4. I don't think that matters at this point, not to the Dems.
The mutts are the biggest bone (!) of contention now.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 06:35 PM
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6. I think this writer should bottle that optimism..... it would be a big seller.
:shrug:
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:59 PM
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9. Actually Ezra Klein has more faith in the wisdom of the dems that I.
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 08:00 PM by MasonJar
It would not surprise me to find the blue dogs kill it. It will certainly not surprise me for a bill to pass which is a pathetic piece of dog doo.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:06 PM
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10. That's too bad. nt
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:00 PM
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11. K&R
:kick:
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