Now HERE'S a cop with patience and a professional attitude.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRRTlrfTw0s

[masuki bance]

1. This one has the patience of Ghandi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FnY6OKN3RI

I dare you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBtxNxCRjOI


*edit cuz i kant spel

[cboy4]

2. I will agree that he did a good job not overreacting and who knows .. tasering

the driver or launching pepper spray .. just because the driver was pissed.

However, the cop came across very condescending.

Listen to how he talks to the driver like he's a fricken third grader.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

3. Maybe because the driver was acting like a third grader???

I think the trooper must have smoked a fatty before he pulled this guy over.

[cboy4]

8. Sorry, I don't judge people for being angry about situations like that, simply

because who am I to know what was going on with his life?

Maybe he was down to his last 50 bucks and getting ready to file for bankruptcy.

All things equal, did he probably overreact for a relatively inexpensive infraction (even though it may have raised his insurance rates costing him a lot more) .. Sure.

But big deal. Having your ass chewed out comes with the territory if you choose a job in law enforcement making decisions that upset people and cost them money and/or their freedom.

[armyowalgreens]

5. That's how you talk to people like that. The officer did nothing wrong.

It's better to follow procedure and say nothing than to say something and make it worse.

[cboy4]

11. Hey, I agree. I'm simply saying the cop seems like he's a prick.

That's all.

[armyowalgreens]

13. I see no evidence that he was a prick.

A prick would have pulled that guy out of the car, smashed him into the ground and arrested him for assaulting an officer.

[cboy4]

16. Yea, his whole demeanor:

Prick with a capital P.

Again, credit for not going ape shit on the driver, but total dick IMO.

ON EDIT: What was the assault?

[armyowalgreens]

19. A prick would argue that the driver assaulted him...

when he violently reached out and grabbed the ticket out of his hand.

I see absolutely no evidence to believe that officer is a prick. In fact, I see quite the opposite.

[cboy4]

21. You're sure ripping a ticket out of the cop's hand is assualt huh?

That's as ridiculous as the driver who was arrested for farting at a cop in I believe, West Virginia.

Time for these cops to man up.

[armyowalgreens]

22. Well if you want to get technical, which is what a prick would do, you could argue that it was...

assault.

[cboy4]

25. I'm not convinced it's assault. I would have to read the statute.

But never-the-less, the DA would throw the paperwork in the garbage.

Could you imagine freeing up the staff to go to trial on assault of grabbing at a ticket book? lol

[armyowalgreens]

26. Oh I agree, it would be ludicrous. Only a PRICK would attempt such a thing.

[cboy4]

28. You should see if that law enforcement agency is hiring.

You'd be perfect.

[armyowalgreens]

30. ...

[cboy4]

34. Oh now armyowalgreens .. that is some impressive come back material

You've got me now.

[armyowalgreens]

35. Come back? I'm just having fun now.

[cboy4]

39. You mean you gave up?

koo koo.

lol

[armyowalgreens]

43. I mean I'm done. You brought the personal insults which means the conversation is over.

[cboy4]

45. Oh, as opposed to you calling me a prick in a passive-aggressive manner

in just about every one of your posts.

My bad. My bad.

[armyowalgreens]

50. What are you talking about?

" Well if you want to get technical, which is what a prick would do, you could argue that it was..."

That?

I meant that as "IF" you wanted to get technical. I agree, it was worded poorly, which is my fault. But I meant no insult. I don't think you are a prick.

[cboy4]

51. Alright man peace .. I particularly misinterpreted the capitalization in

subsequent posts.

It seemed out of character. I know you have strong opinions .. particularly on legal issues, but you've always been respectful and smart .. even when I disagree.

Sorry about the mix up ..

[JonLP24]

29. I don't mean to be stalking you

I'm not really stalking, the sports forum is dead for now and I can't sleep. I see your point and starting to agree. At least he didn't assault him is not a plausable defense for being condescending which I can see him being. At the same time you have to admit the officer was pretty mild in the face of all that screaming and being called an 'asshole' among other things.

On a less serious note I'm sure you realize you're treated worse then condescending in the Sports forum and you handle it pretty well. :)

[cboy4]

33. Oh absolutely .. as I said from the start, the officer deserves credit for not

flying off the handle .. even if I do think he gets his rocks off ruining people's days and acting condescending toward them. HA

And thanks.

BTW, I don't feel like you stalk me. I enjoy talking with and kidding around with you. :)

[trumad]

52. You're a Douche

When the driver slapped the cop he could have arrested the guy on the spot.

[Buzz Clik]

53. Easy, tiger. A cop that is too nice meets everyone's definition of "prick."

An honest cop would have maced the driver, poked his stick in the driver's eye, tossed him into the street, beaten him senseless, and accidentally torched his vehicle. Only a prick would have taken all that abuse.

[trumad]

55. And only a douchebag would call him a prick

[cboy4]

57. He didn't slap the cop. Check your glasses grampa

[HughMoran]

58. .

[MrModerate]

6. "Condescending" is the least the asshole driver deserved . . .

And the cop didn't adopt that attitude until the driver had dished up a whole bucket of crazy, proving himself to be pretty contemptible.

[cboy4]

10. What, are you saying the driver deserved more? By telling me it's the

least the "asshole driver deserved," it sounds to me you're insinuating he theoretically deserved more.

Like what?

[RoyGBiv]

12. Well, let's review ...

As soon as the officer approached the vehicle, the driver assaulted him physically in an attempt to grab the ticket/ticket book. That can land you in jail.

During the course of the officer attempting to explain the ticket to the driver, the latter tore up the ticket and threw it at the officer. This is also assault as well as littering. The officer didn't have to give him a chance to pick that up, by the way. He littered and could have been cited for that.

The driver was clearly irrational and could have been deemed a danger to himself or others, which could have landed him in jail or a psychiatric ward or, at the very least, sitting on the side of the road waiting for someone to come get him. Had this happened, his vehicle could have been impounded, and, I think it's safe to say, he would have had a resisting arrest charge had it come to that.

This officer seems like a prick to you?

Really?

I've had worse treatment from waiters.

I'm just curious whether you've ever worked with the public? The driver's behavior was unacceptable. Extremely mild sarcasm in the face of that tirade doesn't register at all.

The "patience of Job" is a phrase tailor made for that officer.

[JonLP24]

14. I agree with other things you said but I see no assault

One can argue when he opened the door after the cop asked him to come outside to pick up the ticket but the cop stepped back when he did open the door a little fast. Ripping up a ticket is assault? I'm going to have to look up the Maine statue for assault because I don't buy that.

[RoyGBiv]

17. Legally, it's assault ...

... or could have been considered that had the officer chosen to interpret it that way, this being my point. Given the present circumstances at the time, the lunging toward an officer during a routine traffic stop could (probably should) have created a situation in the officer's mind where he believed the driver had intent to do physical harm.

As a personal example, I once had someone arrested who lunged across my desk at me in an attempt to retrieve a check his wife had just given me to pay a bill. Initially, he was simply detained by the security guard until the police arrived. I actually had no intent for him to go to jail -- I just wanted him out of my face -- but after talking with his wife, me, and the assailant, the police decided to let him spend the night making new friends on an assault charge.

You can be arrested for assault simply by balling up your fist and offering a menacing look.

Now, none that means you'll be convicted for it, but being convicted and arrested are two different things.

My point in bringing that up was not to say he should have gone to jail that, rather that he could have had the officer been "a prick."

[cboy4]

15. Yea, the offiicer sure does seem like a prick to me. Yup.

I already said he deserves credit for not getting violent with the driver for grabbing his ticket book (oh the humanity) ..

But for you to insinuate any other action should have been taken other than the ticket, which the driver got .. is reeeediculous. Sorry.

[RoyGBiv]

18. It's not ridiculous ...

Your definition of "prick" is quite absurd, but I know I'm not going to convince you.

Personally, I'm very uncomfortable with the notion that guy was behind the wheel of a vehicle in that irrational state.

I noticed you didn't answer my question.

[cboy4]

20. He wasn't in an irrational state until after he was stopped.

And for you to say the cop has every right to believe the driver was trying to harm him is silly.

By the way, I've been told most cops don't tell drivers how much a ticket is going to cost in order to avoid them from going ballistic further.

This cop very sarcastically told this driver how much would be coming out of his bank account, which is when the shit officially hit the fan.

[RoyGBiv]

23. And you know this how?

How do you know what state of mind the driver was in prior to being stopped?

The driver was speeding. This is a violation of the law, and he was stopped by an officer for that infraction. He could be irate all he desired to be, but he has no excuse for it. If he didn't want to be stopped, he should have slowed down.

And the cop was not "very sarcastic."

You're displaying a standard for this officer that clearly indicates some sort of personal bias on your part.

As I said, I know I'm not going to convince you. You're being almost as irrational as that driver.

[cboy4]

27. Listen to the cop explain the citation ... listen to his tone.

He sounded like he was talking back to his mother about taking out the garbage.

If he wasn't sarcastic, he was most certainly condescending.

But it's good to hear you admit the driver had the right to be "irate all he desired..."

And I'm playing devil's advocate.

[RoyGBiv]

32. Well, you make a good devil ...

I've listened to it.

I also have been dealing with the public in a supervisory capacity for years now.

If one of my employees had acted in that manner when faced with that level of idiocy, I would have been thankful.

A waiter, a bill rep, a tech support person, a cop, a customer, thieves and speeders are all human beings and will have their own emotional reactions to varying circumstances. You *cannot* turn that off entirely. You can only control it to certain degrees.

The driver was just a shave this side of being completely out of control. The cop was about as controlled as one could expect any human being to be.

[cboy4]

36. Hey, I don't disagree in principle with anything you just said in this post,

(including how I'd make a good demon) HA...

But what you said in this post is far more rational than what you were arguing in some of your previous posts.

And as you know, I said the officer used good emotional control over the situation.

He was still as an ass. :)

[RoyGBiv]

37. I stand by everything I said ...

Nothing I said in my response previous to this one contradicts anything else.

As noted, my previous point about "assault" was to note what level the situation could have gone had the officer been so inclined, i.e. had he been "a prick."

And the officer was not being an ass, nor a prick, nor anything other than a rational human being in a position of authority who exercised utmost control in a difficult situation, thus ensuring that it did not escalated to a degree that violence or restraint became necessary. In other words, he did his job as it was meant to be done.

I'm sorry you see sarcasm as indicative of "ass"-like or "prick"-ish behavior.

Clearly 99% of the denizens of DU are pricks and asses ... actually, you may have a point. :)

[cboy4]

38. One more question....tell me why the officer, in that very dickish, sarcastic

voice told the guy how much the ticket was going to cost?

I didn't even hear the driver ask that question.

Why did the officer escalate things with the release of such volatile information.

Why not simply tell the driver, "you just have to either pay the citation or take care of this in court by X-date."

That's how you calm people down.

You don't say in a dickish voice, "heeeeeere's the fine. it'sssssss....."

Come on now.

This officer, for as well as he kept his cool, was no question dripping fuel on an already very intense fire.

Right Roy?

[RoyGBiv]

40. I can't be sure ...

I don't even know what state that was in.

However, when the driver told him he could not read, the officer may have had an obligation to attempt to explain it to him, which would include advising him of the cost. I know this to be the case in some jurisdictions.

I also know you think you're being cute with the so-called devil's advocacy and the persistence in calling the officer a dick. It's not really.

[cboy4]

42. Well wait a minute. So there's a statute that states a driver has to read

and acknowledge the fine listed on the ticket right there along side the road?

What? Is he going to pay right there?

Otherwise, why does he need to know?

I mean, I can understand if he can't read the fine print under the signature box or the court date information .. but the fine?!?!

And lets just say the driver can't read the fine and the cop is required to read the amounts .. is he required to list them off in that dickish, confrontational voice that only escalated the situation and caused all hell to break loose?

[RoyGBiv]

44. You're being ridiculous

Ciao.

[cboy4]

46. You put up a good fight. I'm proud of you. LOL

[tavalon]

47. Well, I do have to give you one thing

You clearly know what condescending is.

[cboy4]

49. I need LESS commentary about how I pin people in corners about dickish

cop behavior, and MORE conversation about how anyone can argue this officer made the right choice reading out the fine amounts along side the road.

Yea, it was because the driver didn't have his glasses on. :eyes:

There's a reason the California Highway Patrol, where I live, does not tell drivers how much a ticket is going to cost.

A first grader can figure out why.

[MrModerate]

7. "Condescending" is the least the asshole driver deserved . . .

And the cop didn't adopt that attitude until the driver had dished up a whole bucket of crazy, proving himself to be pretty contemptible.

[MrModerate]

4. To be that calm, he *must* have taken about six 'ludes . . .

Actually very impressive. Especially when compared to some of the other dash-cam videos of cops with no professional restraint that have been circulating lately.

[JonLP24]

9. LOL I posted the same video in another thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6145238&mesg_id=6145238

It's actually a different video of the same thing due to the different URL and better audio from your video. Also this OP may have been posted before I posted mine but I saw yours after mine. :hi:

[Jeroen]

24. "Bye!" LOL!

Hilarious, what a cool guy. Bravo!

[optimal-tomato]

31. Oddly enough, freaking out sometimes helps.

In some situations, when one person goes absolutely nuts, like in the video, it causes the other person to get calm. If the guy had just been an asshole, saying the exact same sentences, but in a snarky tone, that cop may have gotten pissed at him.

But when you are so over the top like that, it can sometimes make the situation go a lot smoother...

Also, how much of a (lovably) smug asshole is the cop at the end: "You missed some over there."

[tavalon]

48. Actually, as a nurse, I've had to take courses in how to de-escalate violence

Yeah, think about that one for a minute. But anyway, keeping your voice low and slow is one of the techniques we were taught to try to bring down the anger. It can and does work well, except when it doesn't. But raising one's voice is likely to just escalate things further. Everyone gets on an adrenaline high and then, POW!

[lumberjack_jeff]

54. At some point, behavior becomes so ridiculous that it's impossible to take seriously.

Unfortunately, for some kids that becomes a learned behavior.

[1]

41. that cop was so cool... "bye"... heh,,,

[cwydro]

56. That cop was great.

Absolutely professional.