So what's up with page 16 in the Health Care bill? The wingnuts are freaking out

[proud2BlibKansan]

They are saying it will effectively ban private health care. But naturally I don't believe them. I did look this up and found this online:

What does page 16 lines 10-16 of the House's Healthcare Bill mean?
...After the first day of Government Healthcare if you do not have Private Healthcare Insurance you will be forbidden by Law from obtaining it. Also, Private Healthcare Providers will not be allowed by Law to offer any new policies so you cannot switch private providers!

See for yourself: http://www.rossputin.com/blog/media/HouseHealthCareBillJuly09.pdf

It means you can't be considered "grandfathered" after the bill is passed. It has NOTHING to do with limiting your ability to get your own private care...like Bush Limpball's wants you to believe it says...being that he doesn't have a law degree or even a post-graduate degree, I can't believe you neo-cons are THAT gullible. Although, you guys do seem to set the bar lower every day!
Source(s):
25+ years in the legal profession

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090716130756AAIdaWB

So what say you DUers??

[billyoc]

1. You should be so lucky.

Stop reading Ayn Rand fanboy websites.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. LOL these comments were on my local newspaper blog

I doubt I could get through Ayn Rand without puking.

[kristopher]

5. Could have fooled me...

[billyoc]

10. lol, I didn't mean YOU read Rand, but that link is to one of her wacky disciples.

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=108x135000

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. Thank you!

:)

[Kingofalldems]

6. Look out! Here comes G Gordon Liddy!!!

[AzDar]

7. They've probably stumbled upon the "Mandatory Freeper Sterilization Clause".

:hi:


( A girl can DREAM, can't she?)

[zbdent]

8. and if I take a passage from the Bible out of context,

I can justify damn near anything ...

[babylonsister]

9. They're listening to boner and his faux talking points...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6149292&mesg_id=6149292

BOEHNER’S MYTH: More than 100 million Americans would be forced onto a government-run health plan under the House bill.

First of all, under our bill, no one can ever be “forced onto a government-run health plan.” Under our bill, the public health insurance plan is available to all those using the Exchange. All those using the Exchange will have a choice of options – various private plans, as well as the public plan. If an employer is providing their employees health insurance through the Exchange, it is the employee – not the employer – choosing the plan. (Under the bill, in the first two years of the Exchange, small employers may participate; in later years, the Administration has the discretion to permit larger employers to participate but there is no timeline for this participation.)

Second, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicts the number of Americans in private insurance plans will actually increase under the bill (rather than millions being forced out of private plans and into a public plan).

Thirdly, the nonpartisan CBO has estimated that, by 2019, about 9 or 10 million Americans – or 90 million fewer Americans than claimed by Republican Leader Boehner – will be enrolled in the public plan. CBO projects that two-thirds using the Exchange will choose a private plan – not the public plan. Even if more Americans end up choosing the public plan, it will be their choice – no one can force them into the plan.

BOEHNER’S MYTH: Millions of Americans would lose the employer-provided health care they have now, under the House bill.

The nonpartisan CBO has found that, under the bill, not only would millions of Americans not lose their employer-provided coverage, employer-provided coverage would actually increase. Specifically, the CBO projects that under the House bill, by 2019, 164 million people would be covered by employer-provided insurance, compared to 162 million under current law. The House bill builds on the current employer-provided health care system, rather than eroding it.

[kdmorris]

11. After both my husband and I looked at it

AND we had some coffee and a couple of ibuprofen...this is what we came up with.

The stuff on page 16 is just setting forth terminology. It's defining what "grandfathered health coverage" is. As it's referenced in the other 1018 pages of the bill, it SEEMS to basically say:

Standards are set forth in this bill for basic health care. However, we are going to let you keep any crappy health care you currently have, if you want to keep it instead of going to another employer. You can only keep your health care IF you had it before the first day and, if it doesn't meet the standards in the bill, the health insurer cannot offer it to anyone else, except your dependents that become your dependents after day one (like a baby being born).

You can switch if you want to, but you can't then turn around and say your crappy old insurance was better and switch back to it.

At least, that's what my husband and I got out of it. (Oh, yeah, and Right Wing nutjobs will make up anything to scare everyone into "voting" against their own interests)

[timeforpeace]

12. So far it all sounds like it provides for insurance, not for healthcare for all. That's not

gonna fly. The man on the street, who thought he was getting government provider universal or national healthcare, is gonna be one pissed off hombre.

[eomer]

13. The old type of health insurance will be banned.

All new health insurance will have to comply with new rules in the Health Insurance Exchange. These rules do not permit any pre-existing condition exclusions and they do not permit basing premium rates on the health of an individual or the experience of a group.

The public option and the private options will all have to comply with these same rules.

Some existing old-style health insurance programs will be grandfathered and thereby permitted to violate the new rules for some period of time. I assume there is some date certain by which the grandfathered plans must be terminated and replaced with new-style plans, but I haven't looked for that detail yet.

[Wednesdays]

14. K&R

:kick: