I fear Teddy is on the last of the "6, 6 and 6" in his fight against cancer.

[CTyankee]

A doc friend of my family told me about the "6, 6 and 6" of patients with cancer. Six months of initial therapy, 6 months neutral, and 6 months of steady decline. It looks like we are now on the final 6.

We need him more now than ever. It is so awful, not only for us but for him. He wanted to make that difference, to carry the ball over the line.

That is what makes me sad now. I hope he knows how many people really love him for what he tried so hard to do for this country...

[grasswire]

1. are you talking about health care?

I think Teddy believes that the election of Obama was a realization of much of his family's work -- work that brought the ultimate sacrifice of some brothers.

It's now up to Obama to fulfill the vision of the Kennedys. I don't know if he's up to the task, quite frankly. I don't see the same kind of devotion to moving the country to the left in order to assist those who have no voice; the same kind of pure grit.

[FrenchieCat]

29. Teddy ain't gone yet!

[Ken Burch]

34. We need "Win It For Teddy!" buttons

And stickers. And t-shirts.

[dflprincess]

63. Only if the Senate comes up with a bill that's worthy of his nearly 40 years of working on the issue

If it's as bad as HR3200, I can't believe Senator Kennedy would want his name attached to it. That bill sure can't be what he's worked for nor can it be what he wants to be remembered for.

If Ted were at his fighting best, we'd be seeing real reform.

[babylonsister]

2. He's still making a difference...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6153085&mesg_id=6153085

Ted Kennedy is making a final press for universal healthcare, from his sickbed

But I agree, he must be pretty sick.

[CTyankee]

3. Bless him! I hope he makes it for a longer time but sometimes it is what it is.

I want so much for him to die with the feeling that he has helped make a difference in this country on health care. I hate the idea that he could die with that idea unrealized...it makes me very sad, indeed.

[RandomThoughts]

4. Why are you playing into the anti-christ theme? and more importantly

why did you do it while mentioning something else. If you have some interpretation to share, you probably should just say it and not allude to it.

[cali]

5. wow. you really do have random thoughts.

I highly doubt that 666 bullshit even entered the OP's mind, anymore than it did mine.

[CTyankee]

6. Sorry, it took me a moment to get the 6, 6 , 6 thing...

My doc friend is an anesthesiologist at Mass General Hospital. He was NOT talking about the "666" stuff on satan shows, of course. It was about the course of his disease and is a typical course. However, there can be a deviation from that depending on the patient.

No, no, no interpretation of the fantastical 6,6,6. None whatsoever. This is not superstition, it is based on medical science, to the best of our knowledge so far...

[Fire1]

9. Christianity is not 'superstition', thank you and this numeration

and it's significance can be found in OUR bible.

[CTyankee]

10. Uh, I wasn't even talking about religion. It was a "medical" terminology. Please.

don't jump to conclusions where there are none. Please.

[MineralMan]

12. Did you even read the post?

It has nothing to do with your religion at all. Not everything has to do with your religion, and this is one of those things. Please go back and reread the post and see what the 6s are about.

[Fire1]

14. Yes I did. I'm referring to the explanation, ' no interpretation

of the fantastical, superstitions of 666 satin shows....blah blah blah.'

[MineralMan]

15. And that was an explanation for another person who attempted

to inject his religious beliefs into the thread. You followed in close pursuit.

This has nothing whatever to do with Revelation. It's about the course of a disease.

Now, if you want to discuss whether Christianity is a superstition, meet me over in the Religion forum and I'll argue with you as long as you wish tomorrow.

Your religious stuff has no place in a thread about a common expression regarding the course of this type of brain tumor. Take it away, please.

[Fire1]

21. I agree. I just thought I'd quickly interject my thoughts on that

'explanation.' But sorry, didn't mean to throw the thread off course. Please continue without further interruption.

[marshall]

49. It goes beyond religion, it's really a pop culture synchronicity

With all those "devil" movies like "The Omen", the spectre of "666" is part of our cultural milieu. Anytime it is mentioned it will evoke connections to a portion of the audience.

Perhaps the term in relation to cancer is rooted in a desire to portray cancer as evil, the secular devil that preys on us randomly.

[Odin2005]

16. Religion IS superstition. Sorry that truth hurts,

[Fire1]

24. Move along, move along. n/t

[Beetwasher]

22. ALL HAIL SATAN!!!!

Booga booga!

:rofl:

Clown.

[DaveinJapan]

25. How exactly is it not superstition?

I would think it is by very definition (a belief in supernatural things).

[Fire1]

26. Move on. n/t

[DaveinJapan]

38. How convenient for you

You make your "point" and then tell everyone who replies to shut up about it.

:eyes:

[PVnRT]

53. Kind of like most fundamentalists do (n/t)

[Warren Stupidity]

47. sure it is. you call it 'faith'.

I support your right to believe in any myths and superstitions you choose to believe in, but your beliefs, strong as they are, do not raise those myths and superstitions into the realm of evidence based knowledge.

[Hugabear]

55. What is this "OUR bible" you speak of?

It's certainly not MY bible (btw, you didn't capitalize it like a good Christian would), and there are quite a few other DUers who would take great offense to you calling it their bible as well.

And yes, I would classify any religion based upon some invisible man in the sky as 'superstition'. I'm curious - would you classify Wicca as being 'superstition'?

[Ignis]

64. But the Rapture / Anti-Christ cult sure IS superstition.

What does that "Left Behind" crap have to do with the message of the New Testament?

:shrug:

[Warpy]

8. It has nothing to do with religious nuttery

and everything to do with the typical course of an illness with a rotten prognosis.

Not everything in the world is religious code.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

18. I always thought

Anti-Christ should be capitalized.

It's rather disrespectful for you to lower case it - what if He turns out to be our Leader?

I'd watch that, if I were you ......................

[RandomThoughts]

30. I respect people that do good works, including Senator Kennedy

and many other Democrats and Republicans.

If any Republican, or Democrat or private sector thing turned out to be one of the antichrist it would not effect me, for he would never be my leader. Besides I do not fear him, he has no power over me, and if someone were the antichrist he is already defeated as all antichrist are defeated.

The reason I made the comment, is because even if you do not believe, smears of calling people things like that have been used to try and stop good works. Using symbols, even if unintentional, that millions see as bad, is not the best way to speak of someone you respect. Even if you do not believe in some belief, I think it is still worth pointing out many others do.

And also supernatural events for me have been proven, so their is always that. Although I understand others think differently on the subject.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

33. I have absolutely no idea

what any of what you wrote means. The first line is an incomplete fragment of sentence.

Look, read the OP again, and understand that your flipping out about "666" that seems to be so important to you is wildly off-base, not to mention off-topic.

CTYankee was relating a bit of a medical anecdote. You clearly had another agenda, and, frankly, it's not interesting, nor appropriate here.

And if you didn't understand that my post about capitalization was a joke, well, then, you're dwelling on another plane, so I'll just leave you there....................................

[RandomThoughts]

37. You do not have the ability to move me from one plane to another :)

[Beetwasher]

23. We All Know That Ted Kennedy Is The Devil Incarnate

Right? :sarcasm:

:eyes:

Damn. Talk about looking for a fight.

ALL HAIL SATAN! OUR GLORIOUS MASTER!!! :rofl:

[RandomThoughts]

32. Many good people have been called evil by those that worship evil.

I do not take what one person might say as having any meaning instead I look at the actions of the person, and as best I can, decide if they deserve respect. I think Senator Kennedy deserves respect. He is a sinner like all people, but he also does good works and I do not believe he is evil.

For those that like logic, one of the tenants of evil is to lie, so your statement where you comment on someone else has no meaning.

[Beetwasher]

50. Logic??? ROFL!!!

Yes, belief in Satan and idiotic superstitions like '666' are so logical.

Clown.

Now excuse me, I have a pentagram to draw and blood to drink.

[RandomThoughts]

52. If there is not a supernatural existence also.

Why do you support what most would call the bad side of it so fervently in your posts?

More logic.

Your comments attest to the existence of the supernatural. While you criticize my belief in a good loving kind supernatural force, you also speak of a belief in the supernatural but you just speak of worshiping the side of deception and anger.

If, as you try and claim, there is no supernatural, why do your comments have a support of it in each comment.

For correlating evidence, did you know that your comments are the exact same method as the Church of evil started in 1966. They claim they worship evil because the supernatural does not exist, the exact same event you do in your posts. Do you consider that matching of doctrine a coincidence?

Also within many supernatural beliefs there is the statement that the first lie of evil is that the supernatural does not exist, allowing many to worship it while acting in a cognitive dissonance of claiming it does not exist. Do you fit that pattern also?

If you were neutral, or were making an argument that supernatural is non existent, why would your comments include statements of the supernatural, although from the side that wants to hide the existence of the supernatural?

And one question, for you a hypothetical, if the supernatural was proven to you, how would you feel about your statements.

And how can you claim something that is outside of the perception of the natural does not exist? You could claim you have not seen evidence, but the only claim you can make is that you do not believe something does not exist. You can not logically make the claim that it does not exist.

[Beetwasher]

57. Kooky!!

Can you prove I'm NOT satan!! I'm coming to get you!!! Booga booga!!! I AM the church of evil!!! EVIL!!!

:rofl:

[RandomThoughts]

59. I would not use my time proving what you might or might not be,

nor would any attempt, as you put it 'to get me' have any effect on me. Although some day you might remember this conversation. Although I believe there will be grace on that day.

God Bless :)

[Beetwasher]

62. SATAN RULES!!!!

Kooky! :rofl:

[Maru Kitteh]

39. You really shouldn't smoke that shit. You don't know where it's been.

[RandomThoughts]

41. your statement is full of euphemisms based on your interpretation.

If you actually explained what you meant I could better reply to it.

[PVnRT]

54. Wow, this whole post went whizzing by your head

I felt the breeze over here.

[LeftishBrit]

61. No one's talking about the 'antichrist' - good lord!

This is about a doctor's description the medical prognosis for Teddy Kennedy's illness.

I hope he outlives the average prognosis. People do. I knew someone who survived 4 years, but she died in the end. I REALLY hope that someone comes up with a cure for this awful disease.

(but 'the antichrist' - WTF??????)

[Fire1]

7. I've always liked the Kennedys' n/t

[MineralMan]

13. You've always liked the Kennedys' what?

[SammyWinstonJack]

58. .

:spray:

[npk]

11. It is so sad to see Teddy this ill

Everything this man has gone through in his life and now he has had to battle so long against this cancer. There's not much else this man can take. So sad.

[Odin2005]

17. Hold on, Teddy!

[Hutzpa]

20. ditto

not yet buddy, we're praying for sincerely.

:loveya:

[Tangerine LaBamba]

19. I keep thinking

that he's holding on, living to see the legislation passed.

And as delay looms, I just wonder how long he can last.

That man deserves better than this. I think of him every day.

But those fucking members of Congress are beholden not to doing the right thing for the American public, but to their fat greasy fucklord owners, the insurance companies, the phamacy industry, and all their lobbyists who direct those campaign donations.

I'm not optimistic about any of it, and that makes me ineffably sad.................................

[burning rain]

27. I hope Ted hangs in there long enough to see health care reform through.

It would be an evil irony for him not to be able to vote Aye on this issue.

[pipi_k]

28. It's going to be a very sad day

here in Mass someday soon,I guess.

I suppose it was too much to hope for that he would be able to fight his way through a couple of years of this.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that the entire state virtually shuts down for a day of mourning. I'm missing him already. :(

[TexasObserver]

31. He's been a lion in the senate.

[Liquorice]

35. That's quite a generalization your friend made about people with cancer. nt

[Raschel]

36. I think it sounds like a bunch of crap. What kind of of doctor is this person?

Just glad he/she isn't mine!

[Liquorice]

42. If that doctor was mine, I would fire him/her stat! I hate doctors who think they know it all. nt

[Raschel]

43. Survival rates and treatments are changing. For a doctor to say something like that

is incredibly ignorant.

[Liquorice]

44. I completely agree. nt

[CTyankee]

45. On a later post I clarify that this IS somewhat general.

Here is what I wrote: "It was about the course of his disease and is a typical course. However, there can be a deviation from that depending on the patient."

That is what I took away from this brief discussion. The 6 month sequence does have its variations, depending on the patient. If I had had a hour long discussion with this doctor I am sure we would have discussed these variations. I would surmise that Kennedy himself believes there is a variation. I sure hope there is, for his sake, his family's sake and for the nation's sake.

[karynnj]

40. That is really sad to say , but sad as this is,

he was able to see Obama elected and inaugurated and he has had a major hand in crafting the healthcare bill that will very likely pass this year. I would love to see Kennedy get the first signing pen as Kerry said emotionally in a speech to MA Democrats when he was re-elected last fall, but whether that is possible or not. Kennedy's courageous work last year and this year will have contributed.

If you question whether it will be a good bill, read this NYT editorial that goes carefully through many issues. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/opinion/26sun1.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2 It is the most complete, best written case that the plan, while not perfect, is a major step forward. In addition, there are many articles speaking of the logjam on how to finance it possibly being broken

[CTyankee]

46. It's a wonderful editorial and lays it all out. Unfortunately, the blithering idiots

out there don't have the patience, or frankly the interest, in reading such a well thought out piece.

[karynnj]

48. That is likely true - and it is sad that those on our side are

sometimes hurting the effort, while thinking they are helping. I do think that Ted Kennedy might be able to swing votes by putting out an appeal with his usual eloquence and clear statement of fact that at this time will also carry the unspoken fact that he has put his heart into designing this bill over the last year as his health declined.

I think the left is really doing a poor job here. I seriously doubt the nasty, but ineffective ad that the Bold Progressives made, which DFA has front paged and supported will do anything but hurt the Democratic party. Rather than sell a positive idea, it is essentially calling Democratic Senators corrupt based on campaign contributions. I really do not see how this moves those Senators or moves the people in their state to petition their Senator to support the type of program they want. Currently, they are running ads against Max Baucus. They plan additional attacks on other Senators, including John Kerry, who has been for the public option they want from day 1. All this could do is create more cynicism and cause people to be LESS likely to contact him. He was just re-elected last year, so at least it won't hurt us in an upcoming general election.

This is a huge waste of Democratic energy and money and is more likely to hurt our cause rather than help. I have supported DFA in the past and I did write letters to them on this - as have others. This is their decision - but I can't go there with them and I will criticize them on every board I can over this decision. I can no longer support them.

[WI_DEM]

51. Since we don't really know I don't think we should be speculating.

[asksam]

56. Does anyone know....

... if his doctor is a Dem or a ReThug?

I wouldn't put it past the ReThugs to do something awful.

[SammyWinstonJack]

60. Seriesly?

:eyes:

[seemunkee]

65. I'm guessing this person knows very little about oncology

2 year kidney cancer survivor here.
My mother fought breast cancer for 15 years.

[Laelth]

66. K&R for the Senior Senator from Massachusetts. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth