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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 06:34 PM Original message |
OK. Here's my take from Boston on Gates-Crowley |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. It must be remembered that Gates had arrived home from a trip out of the country. |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. That's another arrow in the quiver (nt) |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. How bout... |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Gates has driver force the door open and THEN is |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. I take it that you teach punctuation, then? nt |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. ZZIINNGG! |
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TuxedoKat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Coming back from China |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. "How DARE you question mah |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think you are right |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. We should defend the 4th as ardently as the right defends the 2nd |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. DEA and their "No Knock Policy" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
4. Crowley used to work for the Harvard Police. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
7. In reference to your #3 I can guarantee that Prof. Gates |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I'm sure Crowley doesn't either |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
9. I think that is a pretty rational analysis |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. The police would never have been called |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
10. The police have a right to enter a home if they have a reasonable suspicion |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. I beg to differ |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. A damaged lock, an open door, a report of a B&E and an uncooperative person inside |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Once the identity is established |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-29-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. We were speaking about *entering* the home without a warrant. |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Judge Neapolitano agrees with me |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
11. My question is this: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. If there was a restraining order, the police would have a copy. |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I understand that. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Not without probable cause or a warrant or permission from the resident. |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. I could be wrong but I believe that a report of a possible break-in |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. That's right, it does. But the moment that cop determined there was |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. I love your logic |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. The fourth Amendment defines probable cause |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Bingo. Thanks. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. During my marriage and before my ex was stable on anti-psychotic meds |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
15. Hearsay from cable ramblings: Gates FOLLOWED the cop(s) outside & kept verbally abusing |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Hearsay from police spin. Gates followed to get officer ID which |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. & calling names. But despite the lip service (propaganda) we tell ourselves |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
19. The question I have is with regard to Sgt. Crowley being the... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. That's an excellent point.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Maybe he was just too happy the burglar got the door for him. n/t |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. LOL! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. The Cambridge PD has now been shamed twice by this guy. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Yep, it certainly seems, in this case at least, the course is SADLY lacking... |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
21. If it wasn't about race, why did he make up the part about the 911 caller reporting two black men? |
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louis c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. To cover his Ass |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-30-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
43. Do we have evidence other than from a report-falsifier, that Gates was uppity? |
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