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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:26 PM
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Inciteful argument AGAINST changing the health system!
I heard a guy, Bryan Suits, on the Los Angeles KFI radion station.
This is the essence of his argument against the new health plans.

He said he always flies Alaska Airlines because they are very friendly and give extra service in order to keep customers. That is what capitalism encourages. The better the service the more successful the company.

Government employees are unionized and are very difficult to fire.
They know this and don't care about giving good service.
They can even be caught soliciting sex with children and can't be fired while a private company employee will be sacked immediately.

So do you want decisions about your health decided by nice people like the people that run Alaska airlines or lazy government employee sex perverts?

Please do everything you can to insure that the new health initiatives fail.


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Well, he convinced me!
I know that the Alaska Airlines employees are the best people to decide if I should get that new kidney or not.
How about you?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:28 PM
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1. "insightful".
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:29 PM
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2. I think the original was more correct than it knew
:rofl: @ "inciteful"
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:29 PM
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3. No, it's intended to be "incite-ful"
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:32 PM
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5. Roger that.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:25 PM
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9. incendiary?
Sorry, I'm not trying to split hairs.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:30 PM
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4. And Alaska Airlines used to be a lot better than it is now. n/t
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:42 PM
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6. I deal with those "friendly" insurance companies every day
in my job. I work for a non-profit health clinic, and though we keep costs down, we do file insurance if folks have them (most don't). With a few exceptions (CIGNA has been great so far), the insurance companies, government run and private, both give me fits. Their directions for filing claims are confusing, and they have been known to reject a claim for $32 for a half-hour office visit with the doctor as been "excessively expensive". And don't get me started on them rejecting prescriptions, insisting that "their" list of drugs be used only, even if the patient has a history of bad reactions to those same drugs. Some companies refuse outright to pay for tests involving food allergies--so if your doctor has diagnosed you with Celiac disease the patient has to pay the cost of the test to verify the diagnosis, since the insurance company, in its infinite wisdom, has decided that no one ever gets that disease!

What I want to see besides single payers is a simplification of the rules, a uniformity in the insurance cards (some don't even have the address to which to file claims on them), and a team of DOCTORS and not bean counters to decide if a prescription or lab test is needed.
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tucsonlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:30 PM
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11. Everything You Want And More Is Right Here:
http://johnconyers.com/hr676text


Read the entire thing (It's NOT 1000 pages long - more like 2) and then go out and DO SOMETHING!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6152675&mesg_id=6152675
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:54 PM
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7. I call bullsh*t!
1. I am a non-unionized government employee. While it is very difficult to fire a government employee, it has been done. ESPECIALLY for downloading child pr0n or soliciting minors. While I've not seen it done for that, I've seen a person fired for bringing a gun into a building.

2. Customer service, like anything else, varies from place to place. He may like to patronize Alaska Airlines, but they don't fly everywhere. It's not because they're unionized or not - the company focuses on customer service. Just like Southwest.

3. He'd better be hope that those unionized aircraft maintenance workers fix the aircraft, and those pilots took training from their unions. Because if that plane has to ditch in the water, I want Captain Sully Sullenberger of the (unionized) USAirways flying the plane rather than someone who doesn't know squat. And those unionized flight attendants who are so nice are going to be the ones that get your a** out of the airplane safely. So you'd better be nice to them.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:58 PM
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8. Pal, you obviously know nothing about the issue and have not bothered to learn.
To explain the problem and what is being proposed to fix it, would be a waste of my time, and besides, you have probably already made up your mind.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:00 PM
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12. Sir, the problem is that Alaskan Airlines is not in charge of our healthcare.
The solution is to put them in charge of it.

See? I am very aware of the issues and the appropriate way to fix it.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:27 PM
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10. Alaska Airlines has a lot of crashes, bringing part-time pilots during high season. Also has little
competition flying from the lower 48 or within Alaska.

I don't know where exclusivity and poor safety record figures in this.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:18 PM
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13. So, genius, do HMO's give "extra service?"
Or do they uphold their responsibility to the shareholders by minimizing costs and maximizing profits?

Since this Einstein knows so much about capitalism, maybe he can explain how an HMO can post record profits by giving extra service to its customers. I wonder if he knows why HMO medical directors are paid bonuses to deny claims?
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