Why don`t we just give up?

[lefthandedlefty]

Nothing is ever going to change.No matter how they reform healthcare we won`t see any real change it will still favor the higher-ups and screw the working class.The only way we will ever change the status quo is buckle down and become the tightest stingiest people on the planet.Stop buying anything new and try to trade for what you need if you can.Don`t buy anything whatsoever on credit.Start shopping only at yard sales and thrift stores.I know people in this country will never stick together to get things changed,but I think it would work.

[ramapo]

1. Because we can't

My son has been denied insurance, just like millions of other Americans, just because he has medical history. I won't rest until there is fundamental change.

People will never stop buying crap. There's nothing you can do about that.

[sandnsea]

13. That couldn't happen with new legislation

And with everybody going into flat rate based plans, with pretty generous subsidies, even this legislation is worth fighting for.

People making between 100-200% of poverty will pay between 1% & 5% of their annual agi for coverage. 400% of poverty, up around $70,000 a year, would get a subsidy to keep premiums at no more than 10% of their agi. http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/healthreform_sbs_full.pdf

It would go a long way to resolving $15,000 annual premiums, and help low income people get coverage. It is still going to cost, but maybe when people who are covered by employers start realizing how much it costs, they'll be more inclined to go to single payer.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Oh, We'll Have Change Alright

"We are here; we’re not going away. We voted for change a few months ago. We expect change. And if we don’t get it, there’s going to be more change"
- Howard Dean

[rvablue]

6. +1 for the good Doctor! Amen! n/t

[mmonk]

3. If I'm going down, I'm going down swinging.

[Tim01]

4. Americans are not willing to use that much effort. They want the govt to fix it.

You are quite correct, but it won't happen in this country. I know some parts of the rest of the world are kind of horrified at how we just spend all the money we have like a bunch of teenagers, and then break out the credit cards.


Nobody is willing to give up the Starbucks coffee or the new Prius.

[TexasObserver]

5. Uh, isn't it a little soon to give up?

Were you this despondent when you signed up here in April?

If we were inclined to give up, don't you think we would have done it during the eight years of nonstop fascism from the Bush/Cheney Reich?

[Mojorabbit]

14. Perhaps the OP

had hope that when Dems regained power there would be much needed change for the better. I had a bit of that myself forgetting the stranglehold corporations have on our govt. I am not ready to give up but I admit to some disappointment in our House and Senate, esp the Senate. It has been too long since we had this advantage and I had forgotten reality.

[lefthandedlefty]

25. No,back then I thought I saw the light at the end of the tunnel

but it is growing dimmer with each passing day.

[Initech]

7. Actually there is one way to win that I've come up with.

It's really easy too - we just need to completely eliminate the word "consumer" from our vocabulary. We are not consumers, consumer is a label that has been slapped onto us by suits, politicians, marketers, Wall St. executives and just plain greedy old fucks since the late 60's. It's a way that they've come up with to just completely treat us like crap. There's the upper 1% and then there is the other 99% - consumers. If we stop referring to it as "consumerism" then companies actually might start paying attention to us and stop treating us like such.

[lefthandedlefty]

26. That was what I was trying to say

I`m not very good at explaining myself

[bkkyosemite]

8. HR 676

Coverage of HR 676 starts at the bottom of page 3 and is on page 4 and 5. Very easy to read and understand.

HR676 Now!

[chaska]

9. Two things need to happen: Campaign finance reform (public financing) and a Constitutional....

amendment revoking corporate personhood.

We have to break the link between business and government or we will never again control our gov't. And it may be too late to do either, since business only has to launch a pr campaign to change public opinion.

We should focus like a laser on these two things.

[Laelth]

15. Hear, hear (but those things will be very hard to do).

Still good ideas.

:dem:

-Laelth

[JimWis]

22. I agree with you. Campaign finance reform is one of the next big

fights we need to get going on.

[polmaven]

10. Why are we in such a HURRY?

It has been only 61 years since healthcare reform first began to be considered in this country....What's the rush?


and...just in case.....:sarcasm:

[azmouse]

11. "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity;

an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Winston Churchill

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Are you advocating passive resistance to the corrupt system?

Which would hardly be "giving up".

[lumberjack_jeff]

16. Nothing wrong with frugality.

There is every thing wrong with "giving up" and they are not the same thing. They are polar opposites.

[Towlie]

17. By the time we get change, it'll be worth as much as a discount coupon from some junk mail.

[Soylent Brice]

18. when did Palin join DU?

[spanone]

19. why don't you just give up?

[CNHander]

20. Cheer up

Huh, the Democrats have only had full power for a few months but haven't been able to achieve all of their goals quite yet, guess that means that they never will.

Bush had 8 years to do everything he did to the country. Obama has at least 4 to fix it. Don't become hopeless after only a few months. Change can't happen instantaneously, after all. Yes, the upper class will always be favored and more better off than the lower class, it's a fact of life. That doesn't mean that we should stop trying to promote equality.

Cheer up, dude.

[LiberalAndProud]

27. Well said, and welcome to DU.

:hi:

[CJCRANE]

21. Isn't this what

the freepers want to do to bring down the economy?

:shrug:

I'm sure I've seen quotes from there that suggest exactly the same thing.

[JimWis]

23. Hang in there. I have days like that too. Frustration - chuck the

whole damn thing. But guess we gotta hang in.

[gmoney]

24. These are discouraging times, to be sure...

Honestly, giving up is NOT off the table, as far as I'm concerned.

[Odin2005]

28. That's BS.

My God, have we become so addled by our "On-Demand" culture of convenience that not fixing everything in 6 months is considered failure? Anyone who thinks we can get a full Single Payer system in one go and that if we can't get it in one go we'll never get it is out of their flipping mind. The Public Option is the key to destroying the right-wing propaganda that would stop any attempt at Single Payer had we try to do it right now.