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Truth Talks Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 02:57 PM
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Microsoft agrees to give choice of browsers to Windows 7 users in Europe
Source: ZDNet

"Microsoft is willing to give Windows 7 users in Europe a choice of browsers, rather than simply no browser.

"The European Commission (EC)announced on its Web site on July 24 that Microsoft has now proposed as part of settlement talks to allow a “ballot screen“ to be included in Windows 7. Microsoft initially was dead-set against allowing the inclusion of a ballot screen which would prompt users at set-up to select among a number of different browsers, including Internet Explorer (IE) 8, as its legal representatives made clear earlier this year.

"The ballot screen was one of the ideas the EC regulators were floating as a possible remedy in the Microsoft vs. Opera antitrust case that Opera lodged in late 2007. The case involves whether Microsoft has harmed consumers and competitors by bundling Internet Explorer with Windows. Microsoft and the EC have been in settlement talks for the past month or so."

Read more: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3502



Microsoft's business model has always resembled a global crime spree. Thus, many people rejoiced when the U.S. Dept. of Justice nailed Microsoft for anti-trust violations, giving Bill Gates a reputation as a monopolist. (Whether or not Microsoft is or ever was a genuine example of a monopoly is a matter of debate. I like to refer to it as "monopolistic.")

Unfortunately, Gates was rescued from justice by his pal George W. Bush, who visited Medina (where Gates lives) several times after he was (s)elected pResident.

But the European Union hasn't given up. The EU has continued nipping at Microsoft's heels, issuing warnings and levying fines. Norway's Opera - manufacturer of the renowned browser of the same name - deserves much of the credit for this latest blow against Microsoft.

At least one observer notes that Microsoft may be standing on a slippery slope. Having more or less admitted that it needs to clean up its act in Europe, will it now come under closer scrutiny (and accountability) elsewhere? (Is Microsoft now going to have to give everyone a choice of web browser?)

It is my fervent hope that the EU and other institutions will begin taking a closer look at Bill Gates' other mega-corporation, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. This almost Orwellian organization is very frightening, very dangerous and has little to do with philanthropy. (The LA Times printed a sensational expose on this shady investment firm.)

I would like add a note about browsers. They've evolved into some of the most powerful and versatile software programs - and they're free. I used to promote Firefox on my websites. However, I now urge people to install several browsers on their computers, as each has its strengths and weaknesses.

Lean and mean, Opera was the default browser on my PC, and it remains my default browser now that I've upgraded to a Mac. Firefox is my second favorite browser, partly because of its fiery anti-Microsoft fan club. Google has released another sensational browser, Chrome (though the Mac version isn't yet available). Flock is a browser designed for use with social networking sites. Of course, Safari is Apple's browser. Still more browsers are being developed for netbooks and mobile devices.

The increasingly fierce competition has led to ever greater innovation - an arena where Microsoft is hard pressed to compete. Please take the time to download Opera, Firefox and Chrome and give them a spin. (Don't forget to check out Firefox's famous arsenal of extensions, or add-ons.) If you spend lots of time on the Internet, you'll probably find each one an improvement over Microsoft's Internet Explorer, long the bane of web designers and security experts alike.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:00 PM
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1. "...now that I've upgraded to a Mac"
:thumbsup:
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:01 PM
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2. gee, how mighty nice of them.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:02 PM
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3. So if you buy a Mac in the EU....
Are you given a ballot for browsers when you start up your system? :shrug:
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Truth Talks Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:15 PM
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7. Good point, but...
No, Apple isn't offering browser ballots, a situation which many people would justly find a little odd. I have two comments on this situation.

1. I don't understand all the intricacies of IT and the law, but I assume the fact that Microsoft still has roughly 90% market share - along with an extremely shady track record - has something to do with it.

2. If the situation is unfair, I really don't care. M$ has a lot to answer for, and I say stick it to'em any way you can.

3. For whatever it's worth, I wouldn't object to a browser ballot system on Mac's, however. In fact, I think it would be kind of cool. It would certainly help publicize and popularize Firefox and Opera.

I forgot to mention that Firefox is the second most popular browser after Internet Explorer (IE). In fact, it's probably more "popular" than IE. After all, people have to download and install Firefox, while IE is simply installed by default on Windows PC's.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:22 PM
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9. I like firefox
but its still buggy on some sites. Apple controls all facets of production though. For instance I can't buy a PC and run the Mac OS. Also, I can't buy a Microsoft PC at all for that matter. I like Mac products, but I often wonder why their treated with kid gloves.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:32 PM
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13. No, but FYI Microsoft doesn't make Internet Explorer for the Mac anymore.
The EU sited that in one of the antitrust suits as an example of Microsoft's dark deeds.

Internet Explorer sucked on the Mac back in the day and it still sucks on PCs to this day.

I use multiple browsers on my Mac and PCs and would be happy to have a ballot screen.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:35 PM
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14. IE 8 is pretty good....
I use FF for most of my browsing needs, but there are still some sites that crash it. For those I use IE8. They are so similar now that I barely notice the switch.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:03 PM
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4. I much prefer Firefox and Opera to any of the I.E. versions...
The last upgrade (8.1) my wife's computer (running Vista) read as a virus and pretty much crashed her system.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:04 PM
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5. Just out of curiosity--is Amiga still in existence in Europe, or is it completely gone?
I used to love that system, back before it stopped getting support in the U.S. Heard it was still viable in Europe, but I have the feeling it's gone now.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:11 PM
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6. I'll send you a free "I'm a Microsoft Hater" button
If you send me your mailing address.
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Truth Talks Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:19 PM
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8. No need.
I've already made a variety of anti-Microsoft images. Rather than simply rant about corporate corruption, I think it's important that people DO something about it.

After spending thousands of dollars on computers crippled by Windoze over the years, I became disenfranchised with Microsoft. But the last straw was my discovery of Bill Gates' predatory excursions outside the realm of software.

Of course, many here at DU have condemned Gates for hiring foreign workers at the expense of U.S. citizens. For me, the last straw was Gates' exploitation of education. I'll never forgive the bastard for what he did to my students.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:23 PM
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10. "...never forgive the bastard for what he did to my students"
can you elaborate? :shrug:
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Truth Talks Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:37 PM
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15. Long story...
It's a long story, but I'll try to offer an intelligent synopsis.

First, public education has effectively been privatized - corporations are running the show, and they've done some terrible things, from declaring war on teachers to openly bragging about "punishing" students with high-stakes tests to closing schools. A lot of these things make sense if you think about corporate downsizing; I believe many school districts are being downsized in order to make the schools more profitable for their corporate parasites.

Bill Gates has been credited with actually ruining a number of schools. I don't have time to fetch the details right now, but one spectacular example was a high school in Colorado. (Type "Bill Gates" "Manual High School" Denver into Google.) I think Seattle's Cleveland High School was another.

I was a teacher when the corporate crackdown began. The nicest school I ever worked at was targeted by corporate interests. We were given a corporate stooge masquerading as a principal. She effectively kicked me out of the school after I wrote a letter to a local newspaper blowing the whistle on the bueiness interests that were killing our school.

It was an unbelievably painful experience; I loved my students. So when I later opened a newspaper and saw a photo of my students on a field trip to a local museum - with Bill Gates standing right behind them - I swore I would do everything in my power to bring him to justice.

Also, you might want to do some research in the "K-12 Leadership Institute," which was founded by Bill Gates. Gates recruited some of the biggest derelicts (de facto career criminals), including Rudy Crew, probably America's most famous carpetbagging schools superintendent (Tacoma > New York City > Seattle > San Francisco > Miami) to staff the K-12 Institute. I don't think the Institute even exists any more, but it was certainly bizarre while it lasted.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:57 PM
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22. This summary seems fairly complete
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/30/opinion/op-ravitch30?pg=1

I detest MS for all kinds of other reasons, mostly related to antitrust and predatory business practices. The idea that they are throwing 50x as much money into American education as the federal government is truly scary.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:25 PM
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11. Wow, how did he exploit students? Don't they all use Job's FREE MACS at school?
I know they do here in CA.
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Truth Talks Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:41 PM
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16. M$
I believe Macs were more or less the default computers in schools years ago. Though I haven't investigated it, I assume they were present in schools simply because they were good computers.

Today, PC's are far more common in schools - and Bill Gates has some innovative ways of getting them placed in schools. (Google for Microsoft + "blackmailed schoools", or something like that.)
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:52 PM
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17. Oh, you don't know about MACs in schools?
Jobs sent free MACS to schools and discounted all school purchases in a bid to expand their almost total monopoly of the education system. The attempt failed in the long run, but for a while all you got at school were MACs. It set school students back when they graduated and went into the almost exclusively PC corporate workplaces and found out about things like Unix, VAX, Linux, IBM and, of course, PC DOS, MS DOS, DR DOS and other variants. "You mean I don't throw my file into the trash can to eject the disk" was something I heard more than once. Still, today, both companies vie for the minds of school students. I see neither one as better than the other... they are both rapacious corporations only out to make a buck for their shareholders.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:59 PM
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19. Man...
I miss Unix. :)
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Truth Talks Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 04:02 PM
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20. What are you talking about?
"I see neither one as better than the other... they are both rapacious corporations only out to make a buck for their shareholders."

Apple is not free of corruption. In fact, I have seen evidence that Steve Jobs is following Bill Gates' lead in exploiting schools and children. However, Apple's rap sheet can't begin to compare to Microsoft's. In other news, Mac's ARE better than PC's. Why do you think Apple's market share tripled in just a few short years?

"Jobs sent free MACS to schools and discounted all school purchases in a bid to expand their almost total monopoly of the education system. The attempt failed in the long run, but for a while all you got at school were MACs. It set school students back when they graduated and went into the almost exclusively PC corporate workplaces and found out about things like Unix, VAX, Linux, IBM and, of course, PC DOS, MS DOS, DR DOS and other variants."

Dude, Mac OS X (the Mac's operating system) is based on Unix, Windows isn't. Nor does Windows have anything more to do with Linux than Mac OS X.

I suspect most of these students did work requiring word processing software, spreadsheets, etc. Guess what? There's a software program called Microsoft Office for Mac.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:55 PM
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18. Not quite....
Macs were put into the school as a way to get kids acclimated to Macs and increase marketshare. Also, if you watch any TV or movies, you will notice that whenever you see a computer on the screen, it is alwyas a Mac.
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ecoalex51 Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 03:26 PM
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I've used PCLOS for 2 years now, and have no regrets.No Windows problems;security, registry, nothing to buy. Open Office, and all Office apps,all compatible with Windows files,easy to transfer.Try a live disc from your optical drive. You can also dual boot; have both on the same hd,or drives.Free upgrades yearly,they take 10 mins or less,due to your files are on a separate partition.Set-up is easy.All software is free.The programs make more sense.Simplicity,ease is PCLOS.Lose Mr Bill, and paying for security, and other software.You'll have no regrets.www.pclos.com
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 04:06 PM
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21. It's a good thing any time Microsoft takes a hit.
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