Free health care, free food, free housing for everybody.

[Tim01]

I'm just kind of thinking through this health care war we are currently involved in. I am positive I am not as informed on this as most.
I don't usually like to point out problems without offering my own solution, but like I said, I haven't thought this through yet.So..

Everybody want health care for everybody that nobody has to come out of pocket to pay for, because the individual needs it. Ok, fair enough.
If that is true then I would think that everybody is in favor of providing all of lifes necessities for those who can't afford it. Yes or no? Housing and food.
So free health care, free housing, and free food for everybody who needs it.
Unless people want to provide health care for people who starve to death or freeze to death.

Am I off the mark?

[slackmaster]

1. Free popcorn right here

:popcorn:

[ecstatic]

10. Thanks! nt

[Donnachaidh]

11. Could I have it to go? I'm moving into the smoking section

:eyes:

[slackmaster]

23. Light up and pass it over this way

I hope you brought enough to share.

[Donnachaidh]

33. always LOL n/t

[FSogol]

2. Add free water. There is a move to privatize water in this country. n/t

[Echo In Light]

21. Yes, and here's some info on that:

http://www.citizen.org/cmep/Water/general/

http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/209/43398.html

[Tim01]

29. Christ I hate corporations.

First they pollute the available water, then they sell cleaned water to us in plastic bottles for $1.54 each.

[Romulox]

3. Let me be the firs to unrec this.

:eyes:

[Kittycat]

5. Second.

[Kittycat]

4. Who is suggesting HC is free?

Insured people paying for everyone now, why not rework it and get preventative coverage for everyone. Why not fix what's broken with the system to help reduce costs?

[704wipes]

27. of course that sounds very Canadian, but

that is the reason Canadian medical schools send their students for 6 weeks training at American Emergency Rooms in Detroit, because they get to see the health problems there that a preventative plan like Canada's prevents !!

What a concept.

[SunsetDreams]

6. hmmm

I guess like you said, you haven't really thought this through yet

[bobbolink]

7. With your headset, I advocate homelessness for EVERYONE.

When you've gone through what I'm living, maybe you'll grow a heart.

My first unrec.

Buh-bye.

[redqueen]

8. Where are you getting "free" from?

The reason taxes are so much higher in civilized countries is because they provide a more reliable, humane social safety net.

[sinkingfeeling]

20. Except in the USA where most tax dollars go to the military or to interest on debt.

[redqueen]

26. I wasn't counting the US as a civilized country.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6142670

[Tim01]

24. Ok, that makes sense.

And I'll certainly agree that giving quality of life to the poor is more worthwhile than a new Prius in every suburban driveway, and a new plasma screen TV in every living room.

Good point, thanks.

[Lex]

9. I cannot provide medical services to myself.

You see the difference I'm sure.

[jpak]

12. Free Everything!!111- HELL YEAH!!!!11111

what a stupid post...

:rofl:

[eShirl]

13. is there an epidemic of people going bankrupt because of the cost of food?

[Tim01]

17. Ok, you make a good point I hadn't thought of.

The cost of health care is getting kind of crazy.

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. We do expect a civilised country to stop people starving to death, or

dying of exposure.

However, for both food and housing, there is a wide variety of choices that people want to make. Some people 'eat to live', some 'live to eat'. And the kind of 'more than basic' food that people would like, if they have the choice, will vary widely too.

The same goes for housing - some just want a roof over their head, others an architecural experience that gives them loads of space, allows them to 'express themselves' etc.

But for health, everyone wants to be healthy. That's it, really - we all want the same thing. There are a few things that are optional (eg cosmetic surgery), and they are the stuff that everyone agrees are purely up to the individual, and not covered by any insurance, single payer system, national health service etc.

So it's not a worthwhile comparison.

[avaistheone1]

30. ^5 GOOD POINTS

[Vickers]

15. Free Unrecs!

:rofl:

[kestrel91316]

16. Christ, I'm getting tired of UNRECing this crap.

[Tim01]

18. Then feel free to not post. nt

[kestrel91316]

39. Unfortunately, my NOT posting will have no effect on YOUR posting of

RW talking points. I think you might be happier elsewhere.

[ecstatic]

19. By the way, who is the sig referring to?

:shrug:

[Oregone]

22. Universal health care isn't free

But, an FYI, government housing for low income individuals can significantly save cities money over long periods of time according to quite a few studies. There is a huge social & economic cost to not feeding and housing those on the very bottom.

http://www.ottawa.ca/residents/housing/homelessness/ending_homelessness/cost_en.html

"1. While community housing with supports is roughly equivalent in cost compared to the public expenditures incurred in the institutionalized emergency shelter system, housing with supports provides a much more stabilizing environment which likely reduces the incidence of emergency service use (i.e. emergency hospitals, policing services, etc.) It also provides a more stable and higher quality of life for the formerly homeless, and those at risk of becoming homeless.

2. Use of various emergency services (policing, detention, ambulance and emergency hospital care) is up to ten times more expensive than residentially-based responses to homelessness; and

3. For severely mentally ill and addicted persons who require more intense levels of service, the cost of institutional tertiary care is four times that of residentially-based responses, even when supplemented by more intense professional medical/psychiatric teams."

Free housing and food for those in severe need can most definitely save money by cutting down on the usage of more expensive social services like jails and hospitals.

[Nitrogenica]

25. No, you are right on Tim01, because it is a black and white issue.

Either you are against govenment health insurance or you want free everything.

Everybody knows people who disagree with Republicans want handouts, because they are fascist socialist communist ACORNist SOROSist marxist racist reverse-racist abortionist leftists who hate America and want to offer therapy and understanding to terrorists.

Either you agree with my comment 100% or you are not a real American.

[Tim01]

32. Fair enough.

I tend to see things in black and white too much. You are not the first person to point that out to me.

[Donnachaidh]

34. umm, did you forget your sarcasm thingie? n/t

[Nitrogenica]

36. Yes, sorry, although i thought it was obvious.

lols

Maybe I should change my name to Typical frightened Right Wing Guy

[Donnachaidh]

37. well, it was obvious to me, but others just watched it sail over their head

:rofl:

[Winterblues]

28. Can you name ANY place in the world Health Care is FREE

I would suggest people are taxed for their care and they don't mind one tiny bit..

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

31. It would be great to live in a cashless society

where everyone gets what they need. Perhaps someday humans will evolve to the point where they can do this. The key is "need". This means having just enough--not hoarding, etc. The problem is that some people have a convoluted idea of what "need" is--they are stuck in the lack of abundance syndrome.

[Beetwasher]

35. There Should Be Public Programs To Help ANYONE Who Is Needing And LACKING Necessities

Hungry people should be fed, homeless people should be housed and sick people should recieve care. That is what a civilized society does. It helps the needy. I can afford to feed, house and keep myself well, so I do not need public assistance. But I have no problems w/ my taxes being used to help those less fortunate.

Why is it some people have a problem w/ helping those less fortunate? Governments role is for precisely that. Ensuring the general welfare of the population. It's the BEST use of public funds, IMO.

[elehhhhna]

38. Question, Tim:

What would Jesus do?

And Allah?

The Buddha?

I think they all agree. And I ain't gonna argue with THAT lineup.

[mmonk]

40. For single payer, you would have 3.3% taken as a payroll tax

and your employer the same amount. So when you want medical care, there are no premiums, no deductables, no co pays. You get the medical care you need and you won't be denied coverage or be removed when you do. Do the math and it seems like free. But we have to pay premiums, co pays, deductables, and taxes to cover the uninsured if the private for profit insurers remain.

[teachableseconds]

41. No, man...You're a Digger...

Groovy...

[earth mom]

42. This sounds so much like the rethug "personal responsibility" meme I could puke.

:puke:

Your post is TOTAL BULLSHIT.

FYI-NO ONE is campaigning for free housing or free food or that money be given to anyone with their hand out.



HEALTH CARE IS A LIFE OR DEATH ISSUE.

My dad used to always say that we are nothing without our health.

And that's the gawd damned truth.

You can't work or feed, clothe or house yourself without having your health. PERIOD.



So take you rethuglican bullshit to freeperville-I'm sure they'll love it there! :puke:

[Quantess]

43. This must be your grand "coming out" of the closet.

The FReep closet, that is...

Unrecommended.

[bemildred]

44. Absolutely.

You bring people into the world, you got to be able to step up and pay to feed, cloth, educate, and otherwise take care of them. Otherwise why bother with it?

[Ikonoklast]

45. Define 'free'.

When I pay taxes and recieve services or value for those taxes, that is far from 'free'.

But, it's nice to see you posting right-wing bullshit talking points again.

I'd thought you left.