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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 02:54 PM
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The Joint Public Option Single Payer United Front
If you support a healthcare bill with a public option in it, chances are many single-payer advocates don’t trust you. If you supported that same bill in exactly the same way and also advocated leaving in it the language that allows states to create single-payer, those same missing passionate advocates might not line up perfectly with you, but many of them would be willing to work together -- or at least have a beer on a picnic table and talk about it.

You wouldn't have to believe that there was any chance of keeping that language in the bill. But it's worth noting that the full bill including the states language passed the Education and Labor Committee, where the only Democrats to vote against it did so for unrelated reasons. You wouldn't even have to believe that the state single-payer language (which was added by amendment in the Education and Labor Committee) could possibly work with the rest of the bill. I've heard that claim but not seen evidence for it, and in fact the amendment allows states to completely opt out of the rest of the bill. You'd just have to lobby Pelosi, Hoyer, Waxman, Miller, and Rangel to leave it in there. Three of them are from the state most likely to enact single-payer first, California. And the Californian in charge of the issue, George Miller, did vote against it in his committee, but it passed nonetheless; and Miller is himself a cosponsor of HR 676, the bill to create national single-payer. In return for lobbying these leaders, you might find you had major new support for what you're doing on the public option.

I address this advice both to activist groups and to the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which has not yet supported the state single-payer language as strongly as it has the public option. Supporting both involves no contradiction whatsoever, and could unite your constituents. Remember, this is not creating single-payer in any state. This is simply leaving states the constitutional right to provide their constituents with healthcare.

It Takes Two to Tip the Balance

If you support a single-payer solution, chances are many public option advocates don't trust you. If you supported single-payer OR, as a second choice, any credible step in the direction of single-payer, many advocates of the public option might be more willing to work with you on ensuring the right of states to create your ideal solution. You wouldn't have to promise to support whatever bill comes out of the House, much less the Senate. You wouldn't have to proclaim single-payer hopeless and advocate a public option INSTEAD. But you could lobby for single-payer as your first choice, with an emphasis on the more obtainable goal of allowing states to do it. And you could include as your second choice any public option large enough to actually offer a more attractive alternative to the private health insurance companies. In other words, if Congress can be persuaded to offer a plan that actually does anything like what the Republicans are claiming (namely offers the realistic possibility of moving us at least a little bit in the direction of single-payer), and/or if the bill put forward generally does more good than harm, you will support it.

While proclaiming healthcare to be a human right, you can also work with Congress to get a few more humans their rightful healthcare. You wouldn't necessarily have to believe that any of the bills we've seen thus far meet the standard. You wouldn't have to believe that a bill that did meet your standard is likely to emerge at all (in which case a single-payer bill is very unlikely too). You'd just have to acknowledge that a serious partial step would be better than nothing, and communicate better that lobbying for the ideal outcome is often the best way to reach a better compromise than can be reach by lobbying for your bottom line. Let your fellow activists know you're on the same side and helping to reach a better compromise by creating a position to compromise from.

Now, I know that I've been saying all of this, in more or less the same words, for months. I know that getting the state single-payer amendment through is unlikely. I know that getting a useful public option or even a token and pointless public option is unlikely. I know that by this point we've all offended each other on top of having disagreed with each other. I know we're all frustrated, out-spent, disorganized, and pulled by our own parochial interests. I know the media sucks. I know that sooner or later we're all going to die.

But, come on! They're going to drag this thing out for weeks or months. It is far from too late for us to do better. Can those who want to collectively lift the wealthiest nation on earth above third-world healthcare standards, save lives, and prevent sickness cooperate to the extent of jointly demanding "at least a decent public option if not single-payer and at least state freedom if not federal single-payer"? I think we can do this. I think it would change things. Please say yes.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 03:39 PM
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1. That's quite timely David. I had a similar discussion over a beer at a picnic table this last
weekend with a friend of mine who organizes for SEIU on the public option.

He was decrying how the single payer folks are too purist and call his side sell outs, and I was complaining about how the public option folks didn't demand our inclusion in the process.

We both want single payer (now or eventually) and we both want a way to work together.

So thanks for the ideas.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:13 PM
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2. I like the idea of putting them both in one bill.
I don't think that single payer, alone, has a snowball's chance in a very hot place - even though it is my number one choice. I am not willing to sacrifice significant reform just because it isn't the option I believe is ideal.

That means that my support for the two single payer bills (that I am aware of) has been lukewarm. The country-wide one has virtually no chance of passing, and has a couple of substantive flaws that concern me. The state option one, absent significant reform elsewhere, is far too much more of the same with up to five (I believe) states being permitted to experiment. Not enough reform quickly enough - the situation is far too desperate to wait for a handful of states to implement reform, wait to see if those states are successful, add more states (perhaps a handful at a time) while the rest of the country maintains the status quo.

I like the idea of implementing a public option (or even just a set of restrictions imposing access, parity, and subsidies onto the insurance company structure) PLUS allowing states to experiment with single payer. That would be progress for all, and a chance to see if adventurous states can really make single payer work and be not so scary to whoever is truly scared by the outrageous stories about single payer.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 10:54 PM
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4. California has already done single-payer - twice
and the steroidengroppenfuhrer aaaannnnnaaaalllldddd vetoed it - twice.

California with a new governor can pass it.

California is the 9th largest economy on Earth -- bigger than Canada.

They go single-payer and that's all she wrote...
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 09:03 AM
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5. The fact that it's been vetoed twice
is part of the reason I'm not willing to settle for just a 5-7 state option for single payer as the sole path to health care reform. I don't want something that will be called reform that just shifts the responsibility for actually implementing reform to another entity (or entities) that might not ever pass it (or it might not survive a veto) and not cover a significant portion of the US population now.

Done as an add-on, I think it's a great option.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 05:28 PM
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3. If not now... when? Well said!
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 09:37 PM
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6. Yes!!!! Let's not shoot ourselves in the collective foot. We don't want ...
... the equivalent of "Science advances, funeral by funeral." We can't wait for the old guard to die off before we start to live like a sane people.

While the politicians equivocate, people are dying. Not metaphorically. They are ceasing to draw breath, physically, because they cannot get the medical treatment they need.

We have to claw our way up from the pit that says health care is a privilege that you have to work and pay for, even if you're too sick to work and pay for it.

From personal experience I can tell you that medical care in a quonset hut is divine. As an army brat, I was brought to adulthood by the "socialized medicine" offered by the U.S. Army to dependents of servicemen. It sure as hell beat the worry and panic I've endured as an adult, trying to find my way through the maze of "health insurance" offerings designed to do as little as possible for the payee, while filling the coffers of one of the greatest scams known to man.

"Divide and conquer." It's an old ploy.

Thanks for another outstanding article.

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