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BalancedGoat Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:28 PM
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Help debunk latest list of lies.
A list of falsehoods about the healthcare plan is being circulated around various blogs and forums by those who oppose this plan. I'm hoping to enlist the help of some people on this forum in debunking it. The list originates from Peter Fleckenstein's (who the hell is he?) twitter and blog: blog.flecksoflife.com.

1. Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

2. Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

3. Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! You can only get so much "care" per year

4. Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits 4 you. You have no choice!

5. PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

6. Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

7. Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 your banks accts for elective funds transfer

8. PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

9. Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.

10. PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for private HC plans in the Exchange

11. PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!

12. PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services..... Example - Translation for illegal aliens

13. Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups I.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individually for Govt HC plan

14. PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed

15. PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. Will be automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

16. Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly

17. Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.

18. Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE

19. Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

20. Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. Pub opt. Pays 8% tax on all payroll

21. Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't prov. Pub. Opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

22. Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC accrdng to Govt will be taxed 2.5%

23. Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (You and I will pay for them)

24. Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal recds

25. PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

26. Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor will be very affected

27. Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same

28. PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, professional judgments, etc. Literally value of humans.

29. PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

30. PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

31. PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

32. Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

33. Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

34. Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

35. pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

36. Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

37. Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing all into Govt HC plan

38. Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs

39. Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can you say HC by phone?

40. PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life. Seniors will be interviewed every year for health issues and decisions made as to what care they can or can't receive

41. Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

42. PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding you in death

43. PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends

44. Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

45. PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

46. Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

47. PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

48. Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

49. Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org.

50. PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage

51. Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those services


This is what I've debunked on another forum already:

3. "Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! You can only get so much "care" per year"

~ The passage referenced limits a persons annual cost-sharing.

25. "PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that"

~ "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 5"

18. "Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE"

~ Employers will have to automatically enroll employees in it's individual "employment based" plan with the lowest premium option (Not the public option) if the employee does not choose to opt out in the 30 day window given to him.

30. "PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs"

~ It's a minor amendment to the Social Security Act that adds "certain complex rehabilitative" before "power-driven wheelchair" and after "option for".

33. "Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own."

~ The "prohibitions" are listed in the section "REQUIREMENTS TO QUALIFY FOR RURAL PROVIDER AND HOSPITAL OWNERSHIP EXCEPTIONS TO SELF-REFERRAL PROHIBITION." Seemingly the Social Security Act has rules the govern doctor referrals to hospitals that they have a financial stake in. Without looking at the SSA I don't know what exactly they are but it would appear that there's a rural exception to that rule. The "prohibition" only relate to whether or not a doctor qualifies for such an excemption.


It'd be nice if we could compile a list that debunks this one. It's possible that a few of these are more or less accurate, perhaps we could reframe them to eliminate the right-wing hyperbole.

If anyone's interested in helping out, perhaps you could post and lay claim to a few of these so we don't waste time debunking the same ones over and over again.

Search for hr 3200 on govtrack.us for the full text of the legislation.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:36 PM
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1. I've seen this
and looked up a couple of the items. what was done was take the original sections and describe it with the worst possible spin. It's all fear all the time.

No. 13 popped out at me since it used the ACORN boogie man. All it says in that part of the bill is that outreach will be offered to help people out. Nothing about ACORN at all.

Honestly, I wonder if people pay this much attention to the fine print of the health care they already have. I kind of doubt it.
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BalancedGoat Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 05:00 PM
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3. Your right.
It's popped up on a few forums I post on and many of the people there have swallowed it's claims whole.

I like it when they lie in this manner because it's much easier to rebut than the vague insinuations they also like to use.
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BalancedGoat Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 04:57 PM
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2. Here's a few more debunked.
40. PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life. Seniors will be interviewed every year for health issues and decisions made as to what care they can or can't receive

~ It is mandatory for Medicare to pay for the consultations, not for patients to get the consultations.

41. Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

~ Doctors must inform their patients of the resources available to them regarding end of life care during "Advance Care Planning Consultations", which themselves are not mandatory.

44. Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

The consultation are not mandatory. Patients will be able to bill medicare for the consultations that they choose to use more frequently than otherwise allowed if their health is deteriorating.

45. PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

An order for end of life plans is a document which "communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual". It has nothing to do with the government aside from the fact that consultations regarding such an order are billable to medicare.

47. PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

No it won't. This section is part of the bill that defines "order regarding life sustaining treatment". It has nothing to do with the government aside from them including such an order in the definition of "Advance Care Planning Consultations" which are not able to be billed to medicare.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 05:16 PM
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5. This part is being spun
as the Democrats encouraging euthanasia of the elderly. Pretty bizarre.

Considering depression in the elderly is fairly common, providing counseling isn't such a bad idea IMHO. It is to prevent elder suicide rather than encourage it.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-28-09 05:08 PM
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4. You can only get so much care per year!
Oh no! As opposed to how it is now with the insurance companies who will pay for everything every year without limit. Yeah, right. Who is this guy trying to bullshit? Because anyone over the age of, oh, say 13, will know that this is just so much nonsense.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 11:43 AM
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6. Page 50 debunked
HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

This is an interpretation of Section 152:

SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE.

(a) IN GENERAL.—Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.

We are already providing emergency health care to illegal aliens. Legislation was passed in 2003 to take money out of Medicare for this purpose. Here is a 2005 article that tells about it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7795429/

If interpreted correctly, this is just continuing a policy of the GWB administration.

And on page 143 we find:

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Link to the legislation: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 09:45 PM
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7. Here's a good debunking by Politifact:
Edited on Thu Jul-30-09 10:12 PM by Lasher
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! False: Section 113 of the bill requires the Health Choices commissioner to conduct a study to make sure health reform does not unintentionally create incentives for businesses to self-insure or create adverse selection in the risk pools of insured plans. There is no mandated audit.

• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! False: Section 122 outlines broad categories of benefits that must be included in an essential benefits package. It prohibits cost-sharing for preventive care and limits annual out-of-pocket spending to $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family, indexed for inflation. It says nothing about rationing or limiting treatment.

• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) Barely True: Section 123 establishes a Health Benefits Advisory Committee that makes recommendations on what types of health insurance coverage will be defined as basic, enhanced or premium. The committee will be chaired by the surgeon general, with members appointed by the president, the comptroller general, and representatives of federal agencies. This committee makes recommendations on insurance regulations, so in that sense it does set standards for benefits. But it does not make decisions about treatments for individuals.

• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None. Pants on Fire!: Section 142 outlines the duties of the Health Choices commissioner, who is charged with regulating insurers. The commissioner should seek insurers to offer different types of insurance, including basic, enhanced and premium. Individuals will be able to choose among competing insurers who are regulated via the exchange.

• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services. Pants on Fire! Section 152 includes a generic non-discrimination clause, which says insurers may not discriminate with regard to "personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." It says nothing about "non-US citizens" or immigrants, legal or otherwise. In fact, the legislation specifically states that undocumented aliens will not be eligible for credits to help them buy health insurance, in Section 246 on page 143.

• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. It says one goal should be real-time confirmation of which services a person qualifies for and how much they will have to pay. That could be achieved by machine-readable beneficiary cards, according to the legislative language. But the legislation does not require the cards.

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. Barely True: Section 163 sets out goals for electronic health records. One of the goals is to include features that "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation" between payment and billing. The legislative summary says the intent in the section is "to adopt standards for typical transactions" between insurance companies and health care providers. The legislation generically describes typical electronic banking transactions and does not outline any special access privileges.

• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN). Pants on Fire! Section 164 creates a temporary reinsurance program to help employers or employee associations pay for coverage for workers ages 55 to 64. It does not mention labor unions or community organizer groups, though presumably they could qualify for subsidies like any other employee association that previously offered health insurance. The section's point, however, is to offer subsidies to employer-based insurance programs, not unions or community organizers.

• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. True. Private health care plans must conform to government rules to participate in the exchange, and this page begins an explanation of exchange rules. However, the requirement that insurance companies must conform to is also presented much earlier in the bill. We spotted an earlier reference on page 15, Section 101.

• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans). Mostly True. Section 203 sets rules saying that plans must offer basic plans before they can offer plans with extra benefits. These extra benefits are defined as enhanced plans and premium plans. (The unstated assumption here is that enhanced and premium plans will be more profitable for the insurance companies.) But this isn't the page number that requires health plans to participate in the exchange. Technically speaking, private insurance plans are not required to participate. Rather, only insurance sold on the exchange will satisfy the mandate that people have health insurance. In effect, private health plans that want to sell to individuals will have to sell through the exchange, under the terms of the bill.

• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens. Half True. Section 204 outlines more regulations for health insurance plans in the exchange. One of the requirements is that they provide "culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services." Another part of the bill mentions that this includes "effective methods for communicating in plain language." There is no mention of citizenship status.

• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. False. Section 205 says the Health Choices commissioner is charged with publicizing the options on the health care exchange. The legislation says the commissioner "may work with other appropriate entities to facilitate the dissemination of information." The bill does not mention ACORN or Americorps. The bill also says that the commissioner must publicize the "Exchange-participating health benefits plan options," which would include private insurance plans.

• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter. False. This page describes people who would qualify for Medicaid, a government insurance program for people with very low incomes. It says that individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid only if they have "not elected to enroll in an Exchange-participating health benefits plan." So the auto-enrollment only happens if they have not chosen another plan.

• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. Barely True. Section 223 discusses how the government will pay doctors under the public option health insurance; they will pay 5 percent more than Medicare pays. It's true that this section does not set out any sort of judicial review, but it specifically states that health care providers do not have to accept patients under the public option. The bill also says that the Health Choices commissioner has the authority "to correct for payments that are excessive or deficient," taking into account "amounts paid for similar health care providers and services under other Exchange-participating health benefits plans." There may be a broader case to be made that the government can out-compete private insurers through the public option, but this section of the plan doesn't have to do with lawsuits or judicial review.

• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. Barely True. Section 225 discusses payments for physicians who choose to accept the public option insurance. Again, there may be a broader case to be made that the government can out-compete private insurers through the public option, but this section of the plan only applies to payments to doctors for patients who are part of the public option. The government does not set wages for doctors because doctors are free to decline to see the patients.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/30/e-mail-analysis-health-bill-needs-check-/

Hit the link to view the full article at PolitiFact. There's interesting scoop about the origin of this hoax, and about how PolitiFact went about their investigation so far.

Edit: Another good writeup here at TruthOrFiction]
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dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 10:53 PM
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11. Politifact link failed for me
Attempting to provide a link that just works here:
Politifact article

I think that it's the -/ at the end that screws it up.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:08 AM
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12. Oops, and too late to edit.
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 12:11 AM by Lasher
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 09:54 PM
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8. healthcarereformmyths.org
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 10:14 PM
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9. You rule!
Bookmarked that sucker.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 10:23 PM
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10. All vey well but you're just playing their game - getting lost in the details...
Just try asking some of these idiots

Why criminals have a right to free health care and they don't.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:27 AM
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13. Kick!
:kick:
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 03:17 AM
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14. Another email quoting Flecksoflife...
Here's something that landed in my Inbox today about the "Obamacare legislation." But which bill are they talking about? It doesn't say. Anyway, the text -- which references and praises Flecksoflife for its work "analyzing" the bill (e.g. looking for out-of-context spinnable material) -- is apparently a piece by Anthony G. Martin in the Columbia Conservative Examiner entitled "Horrid details emerge on Obamacare legislation", dated July 20, 2009. (http://www.examiner.com/x-3704-Columbia-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m7d20-Horrid-details-emerge-on-Obamacare-legislation)

Anyhow, the referenced bill passages and pages that Martin bemoans are different from those in huge list forwarded by the Original Poster. Has anyone looked through the bill (whichever one it is) and verified Martin's, um, accuracy?

Here's the email:


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:22 PM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Fwd: Really want to know about healthcare bill?

Buyer's remorse is alive and well in America . Let's hope it's not too late
for the great U.S. of A. Please contact your congressmen and senators to
stop this from happening here.


Horrid details emerge on Obamacare legislation

As the time draws near for our illustrious elected officials in Congress to
vote on Barack Obama's multi-trillion dollar program for socialized
medicine, horrid details are beginning to emerge concerning the provisions
of the bill. Unusual, wouldn't you say, given that the lunatics running the
asylum in Congress are prone to passing legislation without even reading it
first. But this time the citizens are reading whether Congress does or not.
And the news is not good.

FlecksofLife.com has done a yeoman's work in analyzing the first 400 pages
of the mammoth bill. The website is determined to make its way through the
entire thing, posting the details of the plan online so that ALL citizens
can see for themselves just what America got itself into when they allowed
Barack Obama to take the White House and liberal Democrats to control
Congress.

Let's take a look at some of the details, directly from the written bill
itself.
On page 399 of the bill, the legislation states that if you are a
subsidy-eligible individual under Medicare Part D, the government will
automatically enroll you in the new socialized plan, complete with rationed
care. In other words, you have no choice. You cannot keep your current plan.
Obama lied about 'maintaining choice.'
On page 341, lines 3-9, the government is given the authority to disqualify
Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc., forcing people into the government's
socialized plan.

And here is the smoking gun from the legislation that should cause all
Americans to take pause and allow the chill to go up their spines. I quote
directly from the plan:

Page 335, Lines 16-25, Pages 336-339 – Government mandates the establishment
of 'outcome based measures.'

What does this mean, exactly, in laymen's terms? Rationing. 'Outcomes based
measures' means that the the type of care that is given is based upon a
statistical consideration of just how likely or unlikely you may be to gain
long-term benefit from such care. Much of this is an inexact science which
relies heavily upon individual needs and circumstances, which only a patient
and their doctor can determine. But here, you won't have that luxury.
Neither will your doctor.
Who sets the standard a nd makes these determinations? The government...from
a centralized databank hundreds or thousands of miles away.
But let's go further, shall we?

In the bill currently before Congress, the government will mandate how
hospitals and doctors conduct business. Government will dictate to doctors
how much they can own, and prevent hospitals from expanding! These
provisions are found on pages 317-319 of the bill.

Yet another smoking gun contained in Obamacare is the complete decimation of
the right to privacy. Under the proposed legislation, you have no right to
medical privacy. Government collection of your records will be 'expedited'
and they will have the authority to share your private information with
anyone they see fit. (Page 304, Lines 17-19).

Are you concerned about long waiting lines for your care, as is true in
Canada , Great Britain , and other nations with 'socialized medicine?'
Here's one just for you. On page 287 the bill mandates a waiting period if
you need to be readmitted to a hospital due to an illness or injury,
regardless of how serious your condition may be. If they don't get it right
the first time, you will have to wait to get re-treated.

Two more horrifying items from the bill are worth mentioning before we take
a break from this murderous monstrosity taken straight from the pages of
Hitler's Nazis, Stalin's Commies, and Mussolini's fascists.

One, on page 253, lines 10-18, the government places an arbitrary value on
your doctor's time, professional judgments, and upon human life in general.
Your government will then see you as nothing more than a dollar figure when
it comes to your healthcare.

And on page 265, Section 1131, the government will place limits/mandates on
private healthcare corporations, slapping on something it calls
'productivity controls.' The ultimate goal, of course, is to drive them out
of business, and this merely gets the job done faster.

For the full analysis and information concerning Obamacare, I encourage you
to monitor FlecksofLife.com. The citizens desperately need to know what
their government is getting ready to do under their noses, compliments of
'The One' and his minions.
---------------------------------------------

I like how he says the people somehow "allowed" Barack Obama and the Democrats to "take" the White House and control Congress. :eyes:
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