...and so where was McCain born?? The CANAL ZONE!!?!

[PCIntern]

Yeah...sure he was...I want to see an imprint of one of the Locks on his forehead...thereafter he'd be known as John Lock(e)...

But even if he were born there...isn't that a territory? It certainly isn't the Continental US...

Well, it's Central America, so since he's a Republican...I guess it would have been OK! i mean look at Reagan with the Contras: that was Central America and that was OK!! Ask Ollie North!

Imagine if he'd been elected (GAG!) and the LW raised this as an issue...there wold have been a Division of Homeland Security developed to find the traitors who promulgated this and ship them to a Camp in OK.

Again with the "OK"!!!

Just manic after a long, frigging day...

[KamaAina]

1. Actually, I'd read he was actually born inside Panama, in the city of Colon

supposedly there was no base hospital at the time, so they had to take him into town.

[PCIntern]

3. REALLY!!!

Oh wouldn't THAT have been innaresting!!?

Can you IMAGINE these motherf--kers justifying the heroism of his dad and grand dad and so therefore we should set the Constitutiion aside...just like we did for Bush v. Gore.

Except that would have given us Palin...who was born...in fucking ALASKA...maybe, maybe on one of those islands owned by Japan.. Hoo nose??

[meow2u3]

32. Palin was born in Idaho, not Alaska

Her maiden name was Sarah Heath (the female equivalent of Junior). As a matter of fact, her mom's also Sarah Heath. She moved to Alaska when she was a baby, so she was raised in Alaska.

Here's the Wiki article on her: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

[csziggy]

10. Yep, here are two forms of his birth certificate - birth place is Colon, Panama!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11110505/JohnMcCain-Birth-Certificate-long-and-short-form-Colon-Panama-1936

Some of the same birthers tried to claim McCain was not eligible to be president because of this.

[KamaAina]

20. Doesn't look like there's a whole lot to this

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/john_mccains_birthplace.html

Some bloggers are questioning John McCain's right to run for the presidency on the basis of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone. They have produced "evidence" showing that that the hospital where the Arizona senator says he was born was not built until 1941--five years after McCain's birth. A review of the archival record shows that there was a small hospital at the Coco Solo submarine base in 1936 and also reveals the name of the U.S. Navy physician who signed McCain's birth certificate.

The point is, there's nothing to support the Obama birfers' wild claims, either -- yet they even get airing on M$M outlets like CNN, thanks to that latter-day Know-Nothing, Lou Dobbs. :eyes:

[csziggy]

24. Yes, there is nothing to either claim, but it is nice to see the birther types freak

When they find out that McCain was not born in the US. Except for the one guy I know whose fantasy was that McCain/Palin would win, McCain would keel over dead in a month or two, then he'd get President Palin - he was thrilled to think that McCain could be disqualified and disappointed when I told him about the resolution confirming it was a non-issue.

[SoCalDem]

34. wikipedia said he was born in 1931, at a hospital that was built in 1935

:rofl:

[montanto]

35. well he came from a colon of some sort anyway.

[XemaSab]

2. In a Panamanian hospital, no less

:eyes:

[kestrel91316]

4. He was not actually born on American soil. He was born on Panamanian soil.

And given the known fact that his parents were Irish illegals, there is no way he is a citizen. He needs to be deported to Panama immediately.

Hey, I can make shit up just as good as the freepers.

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Soil wasn't invented yet. It must have been dinosaur poo.

[panader0]

5. Yeah and there are those who say hewasn't born on the base

but in the city. (Imagine!) and as far as the the "stupidly" comment goes, another DUer reminded us that Poppy make much heavier remarks after seeing the Rodney King beating. Words like disgusting and despicable I think. The pukes have a very short memory.
On edit: If his mother is an American citizen, wouldn't a child be a citizen no matter where he was born?

[onehandle]

6. It meets the requirements and McCain doesn't doubt Obama's birthplace.

So...

[PCIntern]

8. Who said anything about what's right, legal and moral?

...that's how the idiots managed to win over and over...ask Al Gore, Helen Gahagan Douglas, etc. I think that the Republicans whould feel the legitimate brand of hatred which they espousee and maybe, JUST MAYBE, they'll come to their senses...at least some of them.

I can always hope.

Any of these lunatic fringe, manaical wingnuts giving in? Besides Ann Coulter? I say: hit em where it hurts...play Jiu-jisu with them for a change...question their patriotism, question their marital fidelity, question their business dealings...and keep doing it until they cry UNCLE!!!

[Obamanaut]

7. He meets the requirements for senator.

at least 30 years old.

a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.

a resident of the state one is elected to represent in the Senate.

[PCIntern]

9. Last I looked, he ran for President...

and gave us "Sarah!"

[csziggy]

11. And it was that choice that in my mind made him definitively unqualified to be President

Not where he was born. That he could even consider her to be fit as Vice President showed how insane or senile John McCain was and is.

[PCIntern]

12. Of course...

but you're engaged in rational discourse.

your second mistake...

What people HAVE to understand is that there's not way you can argue with psychopaths or sociopaths...they just don't respond.

You know what pissed them off? when When Andrew Sullivan postulated in print that Sarah was lying about her children in several respects...they had head explosions and sputtering. That's what we need to do...keep 'em sputtering...

[Obamanaut]

14. But he is not the president. Birthplace is now a non issue. The

economy is in the crapper. People (military and civilian) are still being killed in various -stans and Iraq. People are jobless and homeless. Several generations will be kept busy paying off the national debt, if it's ever paid.

There ARE more important things than the birthplace of long ago candidates.

[asksam]

16. How about the fact that he's a self-confessed war criminal?

He admitted, on national television, to killing innocent women and children in Vietnam.

I think it boggles the mind that the "moral" ReThugs actually wanted him to represent their party (and that the majority of the voters in Arizona *still* want him to represent them.

[Obamanaut]

26. You are aware that just about any bomb dropped anywhere will

kill innocent women and children. And maybe some innocent men as well.

Is there anyone you admire that was a pilot dropping bombs in any military engagement? There were democrats as well as republicans involved in that sort of thing.

[asksam]

30. Of Course... but there's a difference.

Firstly there's a difference between a legitimate military strike (which may have collateral damage of innocents being killed) which, though regrettable, is not a war crime, and intentionally bombing women and children, which *is* a war crime.

But hey, why take my word for it? McCain called himself a war criminal. He bragged about it on 60 Minutes.

He said on national television: "I was guilty of war crimes against the Vietnamese people. I bombed innocent women and children."

Why the ReThugs (and the majority of the voters) vote him into office just boggles my mind.

[Obamanaut]

37. Oh, good grief. BTW, if there's a 'firstly', where is 'secondly'? nt

[PCIntern]

17. you're missing the point...

the way you defeat these pricks is you TURN THE TABLES ON THEM...you say..."yeah Obama...wait where was Mccain born? He coulda been Prez too ya know...Canal Zone my ass"...and you divert them.

One more thing...as someone great once said, this is a very large country andwe can do more than one thing at a time...there are many threads here trying to deal with the birthers and I'm simply saying that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you want to deal with single-payer healthcare or reconcile the Russians and Chinese, by all means go do it!

[Obamanaut]

25. Whatever. nt

[asksam]

13. I was always more concerned that the Rethugs...

... let him run because he's a confessed war criminal who admitted (on national TV no less) that he killed women and children, than the fact that he was born in the Canal Zone.

[PCIntern]

15. Again...no question you're right...

but that doesn't do the trick.


what did it was that he was painted as out of touch, old, inconsistent, and temperamental to the point of screaming obscenities. People LIKE that kind of thing...that's what they want to hear and that's how they make their decisions...what did Bush Sr. in wasn't his policies, his fake war (remember April Glaspie?), his CIA connections, or really, ven the economy as a science...no, it was when he didn't know what a supermarket scanner was and didn't know the price of milk in America.

that's what it was...

[teachableseconds]

19. We're ALL born in the canal zone, if you catch my drift...

;-)

(The birth one, that is...)

[PCIntern]

21. Not I...

I was C-section...

but I like your pun!!

:hi:

[teachableseconds]

22. D'oh! I have been here at the 'puter too long!

:bounce: :crazy:

[montanto]

36. Except the "man of no woman borne"

My brother for example.

[damntexdem]

23. But, but, but ... is there a video?

Why won't McCain release a video of the birth?

[pitohui]

27. he was born in wicked colon, as others say

as his mom was an american citizen, just as obama's mom was an american citizen, it matters fuck-all where he was born, he's still...ta da...an american citizen

can we put this crap to rest now?

i'm really surprised the mccain people ever raised this crap, but it just shows their racism really...it's okay if a nice white boy is born in panama or any other foreign country but if you're black don't you dare try that

[cascadiance]

31. I'm a white guy who was actually born in Indonesia to two American citizen parents...

I wonder how much flak birthers would give me if I were to try to run for president. Not that I ever have or ever would do so... But I wonder if it would have made a difference if I were a white guy or a black guy in that instance...

[imdjh]

28. McCain's parents were married in a bar in Tijuana. Obama's mother married a foreign polygamist.

We've really become a very sophisticated nation. Haven't we?

[imdjh]

29. Oh, and both of them believe marriage is a sacred bond reserved for one man and one woman. Fabulous.

[Joanne98]

33. He doesn't have a birth certificate either.

[cascadiance]

38. It wasn't that long ago that Rethugs were trying to amend the birth requirement to help Arny...

... be eligible to run for president in the days that he was more popular amongst Republicans, and tried to push that special election filled with Rethuglican propositions that all went down to defeat.

It would be interesting to go back and see who all of these Rethugs were that tried to remove that birth requirement then, and then see how they are positioning themselves within this newer "birther" movement. Might be a good way to point out some more of their traditional partisan motivated hypocrisy on this subject.

[mnhtnbb]

39. McCain was born on a naval base in the Panama Canal Zone to American parents.

The Canal Zone was considered a U.S. Territory from 1903-1979.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Zone

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