First tea baggers, then birthers, now its the "snuffers"

[BlueIdaho]

Just when you thought it couldn't get any crazier - the new nut case talking point is a secret plan to euthanize seniors. Representatives Gohmert and Fox were on the house floor making that claim today.

Sick fucks.

Edit - typo

[tekisui]

1. Yeah, I heard that one last week.

They think the old folks will be encouraged to commit suicide.

[csziggy]

31. A woman even asked President Obama about it at the Town Hall meeting today

He responded by explaining that the part they are talking about will give counseling on end of life decisions such as living wills and hospice care, among other things, so people can make informed decisions.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

44. Yeah, things like living wills and hospice are inextricably linked to euthanasia

:banghead:

[BlooInBloo]

2. Surely you're kidding.

[BlueIdaho]

4. Nope - just saw it on Ed

We need to keep shining the light on these low lifes - force them to eat their words. They do not deserve to hold public office.

[murray hill farm]

5. Is this real????????

It is just too wierd the things they come up with..and difficult to know what is a joke..or what is real.

[tekisui]

7. Oh, no. They are for real.

The RW nuts have been made to believe that as people age, under this health care reform package, they will be required to get counseled on when they are costing the government more than they are worth, and when they should just die.

[tbyg52]

8. Nope - heard it from a Cspan caller on the radio this AM

It was pretty easy to figure out where he got it from.

[tekisui]

9. Some on DU even buy it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6172442
;-)

[WorseBeforeBetter]

87. Virginia "Elder Murder" Foxx (Wingnut-NC) on the health care plan...

Anyway, today she came up with a brand new health care reform objection when she said that the Republican health care plan -- whatever that is! -- would "make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans and that ensures affordable access for all Americans and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/28/virginia-foxx-warns-that_n_246434.html

And she's from my state -- yeah!

[YOY]

3. It's called mindless and reasonless desperation.

And it's as hard to hide as a hard-on when you're dressed like Minnie Pearl.

[Bitter_Clinger]

6. If I hear...

the words, "end of life counseling" from the lips of our President I will lose a lot of respect for him and my already less than enthusiastic support of his health care program would tank completely.

[tekisui]

10. I'm shocked!

[Ignis]

48. And he's concerned!

;)

[BlueIdaho]

12. The page they refer to

provides medicare support for writing living wills - end of story.

You can bet the party of no - the party without ideas will do everything possible to derail our agenda. I say lets make them eat their words and apologize for needlessly frightening our senior citizens.

edit - typo

[hootinholler]

41. Well, the 1600 page bill isn't my agenda

I like HR676

-Hoot

[mzteris]

15. what's' wrong with

"end of life counseling"?

(Not that this has anything to do with the health care plan. Just curious why you're so against it?)

[Bitter_Clinger]

20. If that is all you get...

instead of treatment, of course I am gonna be against it.

[mzteris]

23. end of life counseling

tells you about what your OPTIONS are - including treatment.

[Bitter_Clinger]

24. Good.

We would be choosing treatment until the very last day.

[mzteris]

26. if it were useless, then

why?

Why spend the $$ and go through the agony and bankrupt your family and put them through extended hours of grief just "waiting for you to die"? What's the point, really?

If the doc gave you a month to live, during which you'd receive very expensive and painful "treatment" and your family had to watch you suffer and lose their life savings in order to accomplish your living another few days, then why the hell would you do that to your family? Don't you love them and want the best for them? Or do you want to eek out a few more breaths and heartbeats "just because" . . .

Quality of life counts for a whole hell of a lot, imo.

[Bitter_Clinger]

30. As long as it...

only the patient or his family doing the choosing and no one from the government.

[mzteris]

32. well, of course -

why the hell would you think otherwise?

And you didn't answer my question - why would you choose to "stay alive" no matter the cost (in terms of $$ and emotional/physical distress) to you and your family?

[Iris]

39. as it is, it's the doctor, the patient and the insurance company

is that any better?

[me b zola]

42. ROFLMAO

The part of the bill that has your panties in a bunch refers to making it mandatory that Medicare pay for the health care service of that provides counseling to create a living will if the patient wants one. It is in every adults best interest to have a living will so that their wishes about the type of care they want to receive in the event that they become incapacitate and unable to communicate.

Does the government scare you? Do you think that they are coming to get you, Bitter_Clinger? :rofl:

[Bitter_Clinger]

43. I Doubt They Could Find Me

My mail keeps getting delivered down the street inspite of my repeated pleas. I see the agencies that the government would send after me to be equally incompetent.I

[me b zola]

50. Also.

too.

[me b zola]

53. So your real argument is that you don't want health care reform

It sounds as though you want to continue to leave health care in the hands of huge corporations who can and do deny & ration health care which soon only the very wealthy will be able to afford while millions of Americans continue to go bankrupt attempting to pay their medical bills. Gotcha.

[Ikonoklast]

61. Then you need to leave your neighbors house and go home to your own.

Your mail should be there.

[LanternWaste]

71. USPS sends it one block down, Fed Ex send it three states down...

USPS sends it one block down, Fed Ex send it three states down...

I see the private companies we currently deal with are even more incompetent.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

72. How have you lasted this long?

Buh-bye!

[Iris]

52. how come no one is scared of corporate America?

that's what I'll never understand.

[me b zola]

54. Rush tells them that corporate America loves them

And like the birthers, all of the facts in the world will be lost on these people.

[Bitter_Clinger]

59. I've owed money...

to corporations and the IRS. Guess which one went to great life destroying lengths to get their money?

[wolfgangmo]

79. Move to Somalia where there are no laws. You'll be more comfortable.

You seem to want to sprinkle magical libertarian pixie dust on everything and hope that it will be OK.

Don't to forget to put on your Ruby Slippers on the way out.

[Bitter_Clinger]

86. Why should I move anywhere?

I never said I would leave. I would rather live here, under the big tent of the Democratic Party that welcomes views even similar to mine. Somalia does not guide itself by a Constitution as revered as ours.

[Bitter_Clinger]

58. Corporate America...

is only me to buy their product which I can refuse to do and they can't force me to give them my money. On the other hand, the IRS Arm of the Government is after my money and can go to lengths the corporations can only dream of to get it.

[ieoeja]

63. So stop being a deadbeat, and pay your fucking taxes. n/t

[Iris]

89. nothing's certain but death and tags.

ba da bump....

[PA Democrat]

74. You can live somewhere else if you don't like paying taxes...

No one is FORCING you to stay here.

I hear Somalia is great for people who hate taxes and mistrust government.

[AspenRose]

57. "no one from the government...." - unless it's Terri Schavo

Right. Got it.

[wolfgangmo]

78. FYI

It is only in the US where clerks get between you and your doctor. Doctors, your doctor, is on the phone every day yelling and arguing with some clerk, sometimes an overseas clerk, to get a medically necessary procedure, prescription, treatment, or therapy approved.

Approved! Only in America do we even think of a medical diagnosis needing approval. What are we, in kindergarten?

In EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION the only person allowed to make medical diagnosis and recommendation holds a license. Ask any Doctor in Canada if they have to call and get approved for ANYTHING they recommend and they will look at you as if you have lost your mind. There might be mild wait times but in reality the wait times are usually shorter than they are here. The cost is minimal.

Keep in mind that the US does NOT HAVE A MEDICAL SYSTEM. We have a patchwork of bad service and refused service. We have the highest rate of rationing in the world ("56 - 60 million denied - and growing daily" - it should be a McD's sign). We have the highest rate of bankruptcy in the world due to medical bills. We pay more than any other nation in the world by a factor of over 2 and we get 3rd world outcomes for it.

And let's not talk about how much this is costing main street America. Small companies are being priced out of business because of health care costs. Big companies are no longer competitive.

If this was happening due to the mob the FBI would be crawling up their asses with SWAT teams and warrants. If Venezuela was doing this we would bomb them back into the stone age, but because it is insurance companies they get a free ride. On our backs. On our lives. On our kids and on our parents.

It is robbery. I trust my bookie more than my insurance company. At least he pays off when he loses a bet. The insurance companies routinely don't.

Please, please, please, do not fall into the trap that is being woven. It is utter BS. There are no clerks in government denying you. There are millions of them working for the insurance companies. And their job is to say NO, NO, NO ... no go away and die.

We need single payer.

[csziggy]

36. While I agree with you, that I would not chose desparation treatment to the very end

It MUST be up to the patient, their doctor and their family to make that kind of decision.

But that is one reason to make the counseling available so people can make informed choices. Many people just do not realize how agonizing the end can be and what the alternatives for care are. And many do not realize that without a living will, they will not be able to control what the choices are at the end. We've had two deaths in my family that have forced us to face that these choices should be made ahead of time. Prior to each of my last four surgeries, I updated my Living Will and Health Care Advocate forms and gave them to the doctors and surgery facilities.

I made sure of that since the choices I will make if faced with a terminal illness are vastly different than the ones my husband would make for me. He wants to prolong life as long as possible, I want to end my life with dignity and with as little pain as possible. He will not be in the position to make those choices for me. Since our choices differ so, I have made clear to him that he should be sure to make his selections ahead of time and have a different advocate for his end of life decisions.

[Iris]

38. "we" who?

Some people forgo treatment for a variety of reasons. That should mean having to forgo palliative care, but some people probably even refuse that.

[Iris]

17. yeah - hospice. What a horrible concept.

dreadful

[Iggo]

19. I just heard it from you.

[sarge43]

25. Big shocker here, but we all have an end of life.

Counseling is another name for preparation.

I have a friend who will not live more than year, thanks to cancer. She has begun her counseling, everything from legal concerns, such as wills, power of attorney to pain management to where she would want to spend her final days. She's 46 years old.

Do you honestly believe President Obama would advocate counseling the elderly to commit euthanasia?

[Bitter_Clinger]

27. No Telling What Will Be...

in the final bill. What they say, well since when has a politician ever stood by what he said? They can't because they never state anything clear enough.

[tekisui]

37. Do you seriously think there is even a remote chance of forced

euthanasia, or anything close being in the bill?

[Bitter_Clinger]

45. It scares me that

the government would even consider such a proposal.

[rockymountaindem]

47. The only person who says they are considering it is you

Well, other than maybe your pals Glen and Rush, but you shouldn't listen to them.

[Iggo]

49. Man up and stop being scared of obvious bullshit.

[wolfgangmo]

80. I bet that a lot scares you.

Don't shoot! It's only your bunny slippers.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

83. ...

[WhollyHeretic]

55. Someone with the name Bitter_Clinger is going to lose respect for Obama?

I'm guessing you're more of a McCain fan Jeremy Johnson.

[Bitter_Clinger]

85. I picked the name as a joke...

though I am religious and I do own an assload of guns I do not let my vote be influenced by either gun or religious issues. I know full well that who I am voting for is a politician first and lacks the spine to ever cast a vote encroaching my rights on either.

Doubt my words? There are more than enough Democrats in both the House and Senate to pass healthcare. Why do they let the moderates and blue dogs hold things up? Because they lack the spine to pass it on their own. They want to share the blame if things go wrong.

Pass it already!

The same with religion and guns. They ain't gonna touch 'em.

[WeDidIt]

68. Just keep clinging to those guns and your religion

:eyes:

[ieoeja]

75. If you hear "end of life counseling" it will be in response to some Rightist question.

Cause "end of life counseling" is not included in HR3200.

Though what you have against preparing for death is beyond me. I'm only 48 and in good health but still kick myself from time to time for not making better preparations. I have more than enough life insurance to insure my family does fine without me (actually, I'm worth more money dead, but don't tell them that). But I really should assemble all the paperwork in secure folder. And I really should put together a will given that the default inheritance is roughly 100% different from what I want done.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

88. A majority of Americans support euthanasia...

but that is not what the Obama health care plan is all about, and you know it.

A 2002 Gallup survey showed that 72% of Americans supported euthanasia.<3>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_the_United_States

(Granted, it's Wiki, but it's a starting point.)

You can go as full-metal Schiavo as you want -- it will backfire like it did in 2005, as Republicans start pulling stupid and transparent stunts. (Which I actually encourage -- their base will shrink even more.)

[TrogL]

11. Not happening up here. My great-grandmother lived to be 102.

Never paid a dime for healthcare (once the system was in place) and nobody considered her (considerable) medical problems a "drain on the system" or recommended she not be treated.

[Vinca]

13. My husband's grandma, a Nova Scotian, lived to be 101.

You and your darn "socialized" medicine.:rofl:

[Pool Hall Ace]

29. Envy. I have it.

Once I get my life back in order, I want to emigrate to Canada.

[Catshrink]

14. Virginia Foxx...

maybe even more bat shit crazy than Michelle Bachman.

[Iris]

16. Clearly that's so much more likely to happen than, say, having to put a jar with your spouse's

picture on it next to the cash register at a convenience store in order to get money to pay for chemotherapy.


oh, but wait....

[wolfgangmo]

81. I was just in Canada on vacation.

I didn't see one of those jars or any poster advertising a fundraiser so "little jimmy" can get his chemo.

It's BS. We pay more than twice as much per person than any nation and we can't get universal care. The only reason is insurance companies.

[Iris]

90. I totall agree. People should not have to beg for health care

[PA Democrat]

18. Here's a link to refute this craziness:

My mother-in-law's crazy right wing neighbor has been circulating this BS to every living soul she knows.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/23/betsy-mccaughey/mccaughey-claims-end-life-counseling-will-be-requi/

[wolfgangmo]

82. What's the neighbors email address?

Just askin.

[PA Democrat]

84. I've already sent it to her.

and I happened to "accidentally" hit "reply all". ;)

[chollybocker]

21. The Snuffers! LOL

Like manna from comedy heaven. Wingers never fail to fail.

[Critters2]

22. Yeah. The nutjobs who write LTTEs to our local rag have been ranting about this. nt

[mudplanet]

28. One of my elderly friends got this in an email and immediately

forwarded it to all of us.

Yes, I want to reform health care so we can kill of all these old farts who keep stinking up the place (no, wait, I'll be old in ten years. What was I thinking?)

Then, we can outlaw hunting. It's an important part of our secret agenda for giving porcupines the vote.

Next, we mandate that everyone wear their underwear on the outside of their clothes so we can be sure they ARE wearing underwear.

Our secret plan is a cross between Wild In The Streets and Bananas.

We could mandate that everyone wear a heart plug, and it'd be Dune, too.

After all, Obama is a dictator - I know because I saw it written on the wall of the bathroom yesterday.

[mzteris]

34. and it had better be their

"GOOD" clean underwear, too!

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

33. These people are as crazy as a box of frogs.

[rucky]

35. Their MO - give them heart attacks by serving loaded cheddar fries...

[Joanne98]

40. The Snuffers. That's a sticker.

[Motown_Johnny]

46. I don't think the groups are separate , most of these people are Tea-bagging Birther Snuffers....

[ProgressiveFool]

51. If you snuff while tea-bagging, isn't that a choking hazard? /nt

[pinstikfartherin]

56. Counseling on matters would be good for people..

so many people that we come across in hospice don't know what their medicare benefits are, that we can pay for the medicine related to their hospice diagnosis and get their depends and ensure (a BIG selling point for those who can't afford their medicine or other needs), or what hospice can do for them. People need things we can supply for them if they qualify and they have no idea.

[GreenTea]

60. These are very very dumb ignorant people, completely uninformed uneducated and as hateful racist

as one will find anywhere.

[Initech]

62. God how stupid can these people get?

[fascisthunter]

77. the followers are stupid, but those behind this are a bit clever

they hope there is enough negativity to drive Obama's numbers down, and are using ignorant republican fanatics on the right to do their dirty work.

[City Lights]

64. As I've said before, nothing is beneath Republicans.

The cycle of ignorant fools sending idiots to Washington must be broken.

[redqueen]

65. +1

[annabanana]

66. Boy!. .That Fox woman is as crazy as Michelle Bachman . . n/t

[daleo]

67. It's all about dehumanizing Obama

They are crazy, but there is method in their madness.

[WeDidIt]

69. Birfers and Teabaggers and Snuffers

OH MY!

[Beaverhausen]

70. SNOPES has a page about this

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/euthanasia.asp

the email about it is making its way to all right wing inboxes I guess.

[Common Sense Party]

73. Logan's Runcare

is how I heard it described once

[fascisthunter]

76. follow the money and find out who is behind what

the exposre is necessary...

[PVnRT]

91. SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE OF PEOPLE