WAKE UP PEOPLE... you want national health care, voting

[nadinbrzezinski]

is NOT enough

Calls are NOT enough

Writing is NOT enough.

I fear the people beholden to the special interests will NOT care about you and me until it cost them more than a few votes. We need to take this by doing what other SOCIAL movements in the history of this country have done in the past. We need to take to the streets in MASSIVE numbers. We need to strike. Perhaps, we will need to pay in blood.

But if you think, don't care what party, the people in DC care about us... you are dreaming. They don't.

They know 75% of the people want single payer. they are about to drop public option. How much proof do you need?

Oh and the demand MUST include at this point, NO MORE CORPORATE MONEY IN POLITICS, NO MORE CORPORATE PERSONHOOD.

That is all.

Oh and I don't expect to see any of this, But at this point... the ONLY reason why I will continue to vote is... it is my duty, and me staying home means the Republican gets in automatically... That is what the GOP needs, and wants. But I promise you this, I will support ever progressive challenge to every blue dog in this country. Blue dogs are republican lights as far as I am concerned.

[Ken Burch]

1. We Need a Million Patient March!

We need to fill the streets of D.C. with gurneys, stretchers, people with IV's. We need to make them do mass arrests of people with health care problems. The only way to break the logjam is to shame them into it. Let them see the sick and the injured taking to the streets!

Enough politeness.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. One million, ten million, and not just DC

in every city and town in the US. We need a national strike

[Ken Burch]

9. We can call it THE PATIENTS ARMY

It can be rolled across the country, gathering force as it goes.

And webcam or cel footage can be posted on YouTube and other sites as it goes, especially if the cops lose it and beat down on people in wheelchairs or on gurneys.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Now there is an idea

or general sit ins at federal buildings. In local town that could be a serious problem for traffic flow

:-)

[Ken Burch]

15. It's time. It needs damn good organizers, but it's time.

And I think you'd find a lot of people who've been denied care by Big Forma(the insurance cabal)that would be glad to join the crusade, especially if the denial has made them terminal cases and they have nothing to lose.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Yes, it is time

Perhaps people in this country will finally be united... and build community to boot

[donheld]

28. The Impatient patient march?

We need it NOW!

[Ken Burch]

32. Or IMPATIENT CARE?

We do need it. There needs to be organizing on getting this together. It would work. Polite little letters to Congress can't.

[bkkyosemite]

4. Right On!

[Fire1]

2. So true. n/t

[snappyturtle]

5. K&R Nice thought but I don't see mobilization. Even if we did

mobilize the M$M wouldn't report it. Health Justice has sent over 250,000 faxes and shut down servers...do we ever hear about it? The congress critters and the President know what the people want. I am very discouraged.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Labor didn't get the coverage back in the day either

or the suffragist didn't get it either.

Or the underground railroad.

As to mobilization don't see it either. Americans are essentially highly propagandized into believing that strikes and mobilizations are things only commies do, never mind US history had them at one point.

[snappyturtle]

35. Your examples are well taken except for the fact we have 'instant'

capabilities today.

I think people don't mobilize because we're too damn busy scrambling to keep bread on the table. I'd love to mobilize but can't afford to leave not having the funds to get to a destination or to give up what would be lost at home if I did leave. Commies never came to mind.

[NightWatcher]

6. we need to pool our money and buy some politicians. It works for Big Pharma

now who's ready to chip in their hundred million each?

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. And that is part of the problem. I could, with difficulty, pool in 20 bucks

[NightWatcher]

16. and those who are getting their way are not going to give up that power their dollar buys

campaign finance is needed but WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

We will get nothing, no healthcare reform, or anything that takes the profit our of corporation's hands as long as they OWN OUR GOVERNMENT

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Why we need to take it back

we have unrealized power... if we have a national strike, that will be a wake up call

realize the last one was in 1952

[bobbolink]

26. Pool the money, BUT buy billboards, full page ads, etc.

MOBILIZE people with FACTS, first.

Show them how to follow the money.

[daleanime]

7. I have to agree....

it wouldn't get done if we don't force it down their throats. :banghead:

[villager]

11. coordinated sit-ins, civil disobedience if necessary, at congressional offices

everywhere across America (not just DC) on the same day...

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. They should last as long as needed,

a day, they can get it over... but if we take shifts...

[villager]

21. even better!

But do mere citizens have any stomach left to actually *fight* for themselves?

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Nope, the propaganda is thick

sadly... and only commies and liberals do that, because they don't have jobs...

(in the best imitation of a freeper mind you)

That's why I said I don't expect to see it in my life. Or if I do, things have gotten so bad... that people have nothing left to lose and the propaganda will not matter

[roamer65]

13. It's definitely the "medical-industrial complex"

They're throwing everything they can against true health care reform.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. It is time we throw back

[roamer65]

20. The legalized extortion (aka insurance) companies want "Romneycare".

They want it just like car insurance. You either do business with them or you are a criminal. Mass protests should target health insurance companies.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. and members of congress

both

[Motown_Johnny]

24. I agree with the sentiment, but not the methods you propose

Taking to the streets is unlikely to be beneficial, it would just frame us as radicals.

Organizing a million blood donations on a particular day might be seen in a more favorable light.


You also won't be able to pass anything that outlaws all corporate donations to government. It is what both parties live on. I think we can get reform done on this issue under this President but trying to tie it to Health Care isn't wise. I would rather help everyone incorporate so we can all take advantage of the tax breaks corporations enjoy now. Pukes can't fight us on it because lower taxes is the only talking point they have. Once a large percentage of citizens are incorporated it would force corporate tax reform and maybe we can attach some wording to that legislation which would limit (or eliminate) corporate donations to elected officials.


Honestly, I think that the 1300 page plan approach is killing us. 160 R amendments to the bill in The House and zero R votes for it. What does that tell you? It speaks volumes to me.


I have a 13 word Health Care Bill suggestion.

Enrollment In Medicare Shall Be Made Available To All Americans Regardless Of Age.


I have been trying to come up with one with a good acronym but not having any luck. EIMSBMATAAROA sucks.

Yes, we would need to fund it. but we need to fund any alternative Health Care anyways, and we need to fix the funding for Medicare. I think we should kill 2 birds with one stone and just do it all at once. The AARP voters would love us for it.


I also think your "75% want single payer" statement is incorrect. As I understand it, 72% want some type of reform. About 50% are in favor of the President's plan (whatever that is) which leaves about 22% in favor of single payer. (just FYI.. I am seriously pro single payer too)

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. You know the meme that it will paint us as radicals is an old one

Labor were a bunch of red commies too, and radicals, The Sufragettes were radicals... you get the picture. Every social change movement in this country has had to take to the streets... EVERY ONE... that is just history. So yes, they will call us radicals, so what? Time to choose sides, serious.

As the old song says, what side are you on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAIM02kv0g

[Motown_Johnny]

30. agreed. but I still think a huge blood drive would be more constructive than simply marching

and with all the nut jobs out there with their "tea parties" and other insane demonstrations I don't see how being lumped in with those people can possibly be helpful

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. A massive blood drive will do squat for many reasons

including the logistics of it.

Serious, we need to get in their faces

I know Americans distrust street marches since they don't work... and the MSM never carries them on. Reality is they never have. But in the end they are effective. You have a forty hour week, right? I have the vote, which right now is pretty useless.

[GiveMeFreedom]

25. Yea, I am fed up too

But going after politicians won't work. They are the corporate buffers. As long as we go after congress, it's business as usual for corporations. We need to shut the corporations down, make them uncomfortable as fuck. Civil disobedience will be a good start. The fight has never been between the left and the right, the government against the citizens and viza-versa, this is the game that corporations use to distract us all while they collect all the money. As long as we fight each other, black and white, left and right, government and citizen, the corporations can do what ever they want. They write our laws, control taxes, even elect our politicians. Enough, go after the corporations, then you will see who the true masters are, the banks, the insurance companies, big oil, etc.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. Why we need to take to the streets

going after congress, and the Corporations. A national strike does that. It goes after corporations and profits. The thing that scare them is the people calling in sick, massively, if you get me drift.

[flamingdem]

33. WE NEED TO GO ON STRIKE LIKE THE HONDURANS

They are turning things around with their resistence against the oligarchs who threw their elected president out of the country. They have the cities paralyzed.

WE NEED TO TAKE NOTES!

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Or france where the government fears the people

I could go on

The US, the people are propagandized to the point of being ridiculous.

But they will call us radicals!

And your point is?

[NorthCarolina]

36. Not only is Health Care Broken, our Democracy is also Broken!

Fact: Over 70% of the nation wants single-payer or a public option.
Fact: Over 70% of elected officials in DC could care less what their constituents want, and will be comfortable delivering a POS bill that largely benefits their corporate insurance paymasters. So, when it comes to talking about what is broken in this country, perhaps we should start with our elected officials, and make corrections on where their true allegiances lie.