Cash for Clunkers

[Stinky The Clown]

[taterguy]

1. Just a way to enable lazy ass fucks who have the delusion that they "need" a car

[GodlyDemocrat]

3. Most Americans need a car, save those in good public transport metros

n/t

[taterguy]

4. Most "lazy ass" Americans

Others can walk or bike places.

[SeattleGirl]

6. Lots of people CANNOT walk or bike places, due to physical problems.

Don't assume that everyone who drives is a lazy ass.

[taterguy]

10. If that was true 95% of the parking spots in lots would be handicapped spaces

[armyowalgreens]

15. I invite you to walk 20 miles to school in the AZ heat.

Really I would like you to try that.

[taterguy]

19. Why would I? I choose to live close to the places I need to go

That's one of the perks of living in the land of the free.

I did walk nearly 20 miles in Arizona heat; but that was just to hike the Grand Canyon for fun.

[armyowalgreens]

37. Well good for you. Some of us cannot afford to live where ever we want.

And we don't appreciate being called lazy.

[azmouse]

In the heat of Phoenix? I don't think so.

[taterguy]

8. It's a dry heat

[azmouse]

9. ...

:spray:

[quiller4]

24. Tell that to somebody who is disabled. n/t

[GoCubsGo]

50. But, us non-"lazy ass" Americans risk our lives walking an biking

My bike is rotting in my garage because it's too dangerous to ride it around here. Cyclists are just moving targets. I got sick of too many close calls, as well as having things thrown at me, so no more biking, much to my dismay. Forget walking, too. No sidewalks, and the streets are as dangerous for pedestrians as they are for cyclists. I would rather not have to drive, but I have no choice.

[taterguy]

53. Sorry, my anecdotal evidence proves that you're wrong

20 years of cycling on the streets almost every day.

No serious incidents. If anyone's ever thrown anything at me they missed and I didn't notice.

And no, I don't live in a particularly enlightened area of the country.

You just have to be a very defensive "driver."

Since I learned to drive in an old VW Beetle that wasn't much of an adjustment.

Or maybe you just have to cultivate a "Don't Fuck With Me" persona.

Regardless, it can be done if there's enough desire.

[armyowalgreens]

11. I live in Phoenix. Our public transportation system is in shambles.

We do need some mode of transportation.

[azmouse]

12. We could ride the light rail... if it hasn't struck a pickup truck on that day!

...and if you live downtown and are going somewhere else downtown, and if it's not too late at night. Oy...

[armyowalgreens]

13. I'm at ASU starting next week. So my situation is a bit different.

I can use the light rail to get pretty much anywhere. But 99 percent of Phoenicians are too far away to use the light rail. The system is still to small to actually promote public transportation for all.

[azmouse]

18. I was teasing a bit but if they can get the light rail to more cities it could help.

I'm over here in Glendale. It does me no good. I need my car.

I'd have to walk about 2 blocks just to get a bus and the people I know who have used the bus system say that to get anywhere using the bus plan on it taking at least 3 times longer than driving a car there. I don't have that kind of time to waste.

[GoCubsGo]

49. Public transportation?

What's that? It's non-existent in most of my state, South Carolina. Here, the car is king. I have seen people start up their cars and drive across the street, rather than walk an extra 30 feet from the post office parking lot to the grocery store. Not exaggerating. Once, when I was walking the block and a half to the post office, somebody asked me if I was "feeling poor" because I didn't drive instead. I just pointed out that I wasn't so lazy as to rot out my exhaust system by short tripping my car for a lousy three block round-trip. Public transit probably wouldn't work with these idiots anyway. It's just, you know, so commie, pinko socialist.

[Skink]

2. Mine definately clunks.

but it gets 25-30 mpg.

[NoSheep]

5. I have an 87 Volvo wagon that I love...but it is old. My second.

Averages 20 mpg combined. I can't afford a car pmt at all but I checked for the hell of it....It doesn't qualify.

But when I look at all the big SUV's on the road, if this helps get some of them off, I think it's a good idea. Let's just don't have any more bullshit wars and we'll have all kinds of money for incentive programs that will help save on fossil fuel pollution.

[taterguy]

7. Bullshit wars are caused by our insatiable appetite for oil

From people driving cars

[NoSheep]

31. No kidding?

:think:

[suzie]

17. Here's a website on the program--from the consumer side

http://www.cashforclunkersfacts.com/bill/858-million-left-for-cars-program

If you look at the gallery, it shows that most people are getting rid of genuine clunkers.

And if you watch television at all, you might notice the ads about the program. Which means that the manufacturers and dealers are spending money on advertising and videos--a little stimulus in a sector that has been badly hurt by the decline in auto advertising.

[onethatcares]

14. give me the $4500.00 and I'll take my gas guzzler off the road

I might turn it into a monster truck but it will be Off the Road. I don't want a payment for a new vehicle. nope, none, nada, ever again.

[earth mom]

47. Yep-give the money to THE PEOPLE. I'm sick of all these corporate giveaways.

:puke:

[flvegan]

16. Government financed asset depreciation.

[TheCowsCameHome]

20. Good way to get $4500 for a car that's got a trade in value of $188

I'm tempted, to say the least.

[taterguy]

21. The only people who qualify are people that own vehicles with low mileage

Sure you're not that dumb

[DevonRex]

22. Nope, you're wrong. We just got $4500 for our 1999 Blazer with a gazillion

miles on it. We traded it in for a Chevy Malibu Hybrid so we get a tax credit, too. And we used our GM Card earnings so that took off additional money on top of the $4500 and tax credit.

[sandnsea]

51. You can use the electric/hybrid tax credit with it?

I had wondered about that and hadn't seen that answered anywhere. What about the $4500 match, do you get that? There's also a sales and federal excise tax deduction on your taxes next year, don't forget that.

[quiller4]

25. That isn't true. The miles on the car have nothing to do with it.

Our 1995 Ford F 150 qualifies and it has 178,000 miles on it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

27. I think the poster meant low gas milege, not odometer mileage.

[taterguy]

29. Correct, and I was wondering why people would be dumb enough to own low MPG cars in the first place

[TheCowsCameHome]

30. Hey, I've owned it for 20+ years, 272k, still runs fine

so I never bothered to look for a replacement, plus gas was cheap (relatively speaking) until 5 years ago when I retired. Now I don't drive nearly as much as when I worked.

[taterguy]

34. 20+ years ago the price of gas was innocents slaughtered in oil wars

You call that cheap?

[TheCowsCameHome]

35. Forget it.

It did beat walking 60 miles each way to work, though.

[taterguy]

36. Forget that you think life is cheap? Fat chance

[TheCowsCameHome]

39. Wow, that's a bit of a stretch.

Go take a bike ride or something.

[armyowalgreens]

38. Someones feels like being a prick today. Not all of us can afford high mpg cars.

[taterguy]

40. There's lots of cheap cars that get more than 20 MPG

They just might not have the options and/or horsepower that you think you need.

[armyowalgreens]

41. But then again, cars might be handed down through the family...

Or someone didn't realize how poor the gas mileage was at the time of purchase. There are many scenarios where someone might end up with a gas hog.

You seem to think that everyone is in the exact same situation you are. They aren't. So get over it.

[taterguy]

42. How difficult is it to know what mileage a car gets when you buy it?

If you don't, well, you're a bit dumb, which is what I said originally.

As for people getting hand-me-downs for from their family. . .

If their wheels are free why should taxpayers shell out four grand to get them "better" wheels?

When my clunker died I sold it for the cost of towing it away.

Color me bitter.

(Especially when I saw it restored on the streets a few years later)

[armyowalgreens]

43. You are acting very bitter.

I never said anything about hand-me-down cars being worthy of taxpayer dollars. I was using that as an example for why some people drive gas hogs.


When someone purchases a car, they can look up the average mpg from the manufacturer. Which may or may not be accurate. My truck is suppose to average around 20 mpg. But since it's 11 years old and needs bit of work, it only averages about 16. That's a 20% drop in fuel efficiency from the manufacturer estimates.

There are also other situations where a person might need a car right away. And the only car they can afford at the time is a clunker that gets bad gas mileage.

But that's okay, calling people stupid or lazy seems to be your thing. Sounds pretty miserable to me.

[taterguy]

45. Aren't you the Arizonan that didn't know who the Meat Puppets were?

I stand by any statements I've made that have questioned your intelligence.

And yes, I'm bitter that they never made as much money as Blink-182.

[SammyWinstonJack]

48. Today?

:spray: :evilgrin:

[taterguy]

52. Word

[TheCowsCameHome]

26. My clunker is rated @18 mpg, so I'd just make it.

The big question is whether to make the plunge...........

[zbdent]

23. If I give you $10 bucks, will you take a Republican and crush him?

thanks ...

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. Special - three for $15, call now, operators are standing by.

[HughMoran]

32. It's a really good idea

...I'm sure there are some ingrates here who don't like it, but that's par for the course.

[BlooInBloo]

33. It's a stimulus program, right?

[and-justice-for-all]

44. It was implmented and handled just fine...

the dollars were underestimated.

[earth mom]

46. This program should only be for American made cars. nt