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GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:09 PM
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The conservatives are right, the current Democratic plan is anti-free market and will not work
There, I got your attention, but I stand by the title of this post.

The conservatives are right when they point out that, what they bill as "RomneyCare" in Massachusetts, has become an utter failure, with wait times increasing to over a year in some cases for a primary care doctor. What they probably fail to consider is why this has happened. There are two components of the Massachusetts plan that are flatly anti-free market: 1. The mandate for people to have to buy health insurance and 2. the requirement that insurance companies be forced to insure those they already know will be a net loss. So what is the net result of this? Well, health insurance companies won't leave the health insurance market, but only because of this mandate that everyone (even the young and healthy) must buy health insurance at a price set by an oligopoly of health insurers. However, healthy people rarely need to see the doctor urgently. Sick people do, but sick people are a net loss to the health insurance company. So what should the health insurance company do? Pay the doctors squat. Now, the sick person will not be able to see the doctor (thus no outlay), and even if they do see the doctor, the insurance company is paying a discount. Healthy people are satisfied with their health insurer, or as satisfied as they can be, but sick people will now try to leave the insurer to find different options. Thus there are three positives for health insurance companies to lowball the doctors: 1. artifically created shortages leading to lower costs, 2. lower payments leading to lower costs, and 3. dissatification among sick customers leading to lower net losses due to them potentially leaving.

The conservatives are right. RomneyCare has messed up the health care market in Massachusetts and has increased waiting times. If enacted, it may even be worse than foreign systems of health care for reasons I will get into in a second. What many conservatives fail to realize, except for perhaps the true libertarians, is that this country has already meddled into the free market of health care. By mandating community ratings for group policies, it is mutually beneficial for only the largest of employers to purchase health insurance. This, of course, creates the problem of being a "health insurance slave" of a large company, especially for employees who are sick or have sick family members. These employees have little leverage now in demanding a higher salary. Furthermore, by restricting the supply of doctors via stringent medical school admissions, the cost of health care has gone up.

So what is the solution? The solution is simple, let's follow free market principles to fix our nation's health care problem. If I want something at Wal-Mart, I buy it. I don't intimidate someone else to make them buy it for me, because aside from this being immoral, I do not want to be punished for doing this. If I am at church and I want to give food to a needy man, I just do it. I don't try to force other congregants to give to the needy man, because this would take too much time. Thus, if the American people want to guarantee health care (not health insurance) for all her people, it must pay for it itself. It must singly pay for the health care it wishes to guarantee that may be uneconomical to provide.

The government already has single payer insurance in many different spaces (flood insurance, crop insurance, unemployment insurance, Medicare, federally guaranteed mortgages and student loans etc.). The government does this because there is a public policy interest to ensure subsidization of these products. Thus, if the government doubly subsidizes buying a beach house via a federally backed mortgage and government flood insurance, why cannot we subsidize health care for those who cannot afford it without acting feigning shock at the fact that business's goal has always been to make a profit even at the expense of public welfare.

The insurance companies are doing their jobs when they turn down those that are already deathly sick. The United States, if it claims to be pro life, has not done its job in picking up the tab to insure those who can't afford their bills. Thus, here is what I propose:

1. Abrogate all restrictions and mandates on health insurance companies and replace them with regulations that only ensure fair play on behalf of both parties (the insured and the insurer). What you say is what you mean.

2. Adopt a policy that the government will pay all medical costs that exceed 15% of a household's income or $2250 for able-bodied adults who have no disabling health conditions, whichever is greater. Outsource this process to the health insurance companies, who will act as processors.

3. Require no co-pays or outlays for medical costs of children under 18. The last thing we want is parents trying to save a buck at the expense of their child's health.

4. Allow doctors and health care professionals, but not ERs, to have a luxury queue, with time set aside for appointments for those who pay a higher cost to see the doctor more quickly. However, require that doctors both publish their rates online and publish their current wait times for both the basic queue and luxury queue online. Outsource this website to a reputable company that can do the job (i.e. Google). Do not subsidize any extra cost from luxury care.

5. Set a maximum co-pay at some percentage of the basic (not luxury) cost (say 30%) for adults under their limit. The government will pay this so Americans do not delay getting important health care.

6. Increase taxes by 5% across the board, but do not do this while we are still in a recession (simple Keynesian economics).

7. Create a Federal Reserve like agency that can adjust rates to insure wait times remain acceptable.

8. Increase medical school seats. There are too many smart people who may not have gotten a 3.8 or aced their MCATs who would do well as doctors.

9. Reimburse all United States medical school costs (at $50,000 a year - the difference should then be kept by the school) if the medical student passes his or her boards. Allow even those who have passed his or her boards to retake them at his or her own cost if he or she wishes to display a greater competence.

10. Now allow insurance companies to insure individuals or employees, but require consumer ratings for various insurance products. I understand this probably goes against free market principles, but it goes to the heart of our notions of fairness and this will now have only a minor impact on health care delivery.

11. Provide government tax credits for healthy behavior, including low weight and smoking abstinence.

12. Have the government include personal trainers in its insurance, but drug test these trainers regularly for doping and severely penalize criminally any trainer that facilitates doping for his or her clients.

13. Provide a tax credit and require no co-pay except for luxury costs for all Americans to see a primary care doctor or physicians assistant semiannually for a physical.

14. Have the government, just like with flood insurance, provide and also require basic, but high limit, malpractice insurance at a discounted rate. Increase or decrease these rates based upon the doctor's relevant prior record.

Let me know what you think about my proposed plan.
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Sebass1271 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:13 PM
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1. As far as i know the plan is not like the "romney plan"
Edited on Wed Jul-29-09 05:23 PM by Sebass1271
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:13 PM
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2. Fail
So many errors....
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:14 PM
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3. Boy, that plan sucks
We need to take out the insurance companies entirely, not mollycoddle the bastards.
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GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:19 PM
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8. Aside from being processors, they are mostly taken out of the process
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:14 PM
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4. *roffle*
And you got a rec already... how unsurprising. :eyes:
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:15 PM
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5. So what about the disabled and the already (but not deathly) sick
You left them out, and they need help the most.
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GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:17 PM
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6. They're fully covered by the government after their co-pays reach 15% of their income
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:24 PM
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13. for someone on disability 15% can be a big chunk...
Edited on Wed Jul-29-09 05:24 PM by dysfunctional press
especially since you're also raising taxes 5% across the board...btw- when you say that- do you mean adding 5 %points, or just raising the amount by 5%? for instance- if your tax rate were 10%, would your 5% raise mean a 15% tax rate(+5 %points) or would it go to 10.5%(a 5% raise)?
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GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:27 PM
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16. I meant the latter
Ideally, I would probably go for a bit more of a progressive tax increase, as a tax increase on the poor/middle class could potentially be a job killer (it always has been).
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:18 PM
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7. number 12 is silly.
why should a 'personal trainer' be covered by the government? -there's WAY too much opportunity for abuse/corruption. perhaps they could cover the cost of accredited classes in a group setting.
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GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:22 PM
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10. Fitness is a vital part of health and should be compensated, but I can concede a personal trainer
may be too much. Perhaps as you say, a group class should be compensated.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:25 PM
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14. or a richard simmons dvd
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:21 PM
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9. ungodly crap
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:50 PM
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25. It's sad when the logic circuits of the brain misfire so badly, isn't it?
Let's apply that "logic" to life insurance. ONLY the dead should pay life insurance since they're the only ones who need it!

The fucking idiocy of the brain-damaged obsession with claiming that "healthy" people don't need to insure their health is like claiming that only the homeless should pay for home insurance.

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Bitter_Clinger Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:22 PM
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11. The Biggest Problem...
with all the plans coming out of Congress is that they try to address healthcare for everyone when it is only a fraction who are uninsured. Too many people do not see the crisis.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:47 PM
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23. Apparently the polls tell a different story. Americans know there is a crisis.
Even people with health insurance are dissatisfied. And the "fraction" of uninsured keeps growing ever larger.
The problem is not the attitude of the people. The problem is with our government being bought out by insurance companies.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:23 PM
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12. or just single-payer, as works in the rest of the West,
regardless of what the Golden Calf of the free market thinks (why all this concern with pleasing it?)
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:26 PM
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15. Because it's "the free market" that pays all the bribes to our "representatives". (NT)
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:27 PM
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30. Funny, sad, and true, all at once! (nt)
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:28 PM
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17. only one problem
the "free market" is a myth.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:36 PM
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20. Ding.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:34 PM
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18. Judging from the drivel I just read, I assume the "Godly" part of your name
Edited on Wed Jul-29-09 05:35 PM by retread
means worship of the "free market"?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:35 PM
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19. the conservatives are wrong and this is the wrong place to make a case for them.
nwmhtt
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GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:41 PM
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22. I said they were right about RomneyCare
I think the problem is we as Americans are viewing this healthcare issue as a left-right issue. If the critics here had actually read my proposal, they would at least acknowledge, save a requirement for co-pays, this is a single payer system and it is pretty similar to Canada's with the exception that we don't lowball doctors.

If the public option is removed from the Democratic plan, we get RomneyCare ...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:37 PM
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21. 15. Legalize
Lonnie Anderson's Hair.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:17 PM
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28. lol
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 05:50 PM
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24. Sucks harder than the gravity of Jupiter.
And should be hit by an asteroid as well.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:00 PM
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26. One of the problems...
...Health care does not lend itself to free market solutions. It is similar in characteristics to power or water supply. Because the nature of the service delivered involves life and death, there becomes a societal interest in providing a guarantee of service. In other words, we agree as a society on the moral obligation of not turning away anyone whose life is on the line.

Another point is that there is not a free market in pharmaceuticals because of patent protections for unique life saving drugs. A drug company can charge anything they want for a drug that improves patient outcomes, even by small amounts, because doctors and patients demand the most effective products or techniques in life threatening situations, costs be damned.

So you inherently have a critical service which does not conform itself to normal market constraints of supply and demand. That is one of the reasons that medical inflation outstrips all other inflation. The supply/demand is highly inelastic. That is why so much money is invested in health care technology. It can be highly, almost obscenely profitable.

One of the reasons that single payer or hybrid payer systems deliver health care at lower cost is that the profit connection has been removed from the supply demand equation as it relates to basic care. This frees insurers to offer the Cadillac packages to those with extra means who want things like elective surgeries covered, while still delivering the moral service of not allowing citizens to die for lack of funds.

I think this basic lack of understanding of the unique characteristics of the health care issue has muddied the discussion. Free markets, however seductive they appear, are sometimes not the most effective solutions.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:16 PM
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27. This is good out of the box thinking
I'd prefer single payer, but this plan would be better than nothing. Nice thoughts. Welcome to DU.
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