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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:50 PM
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Anyone got one of these? According to yahoo 'This is a certified email from "The White House" '
Edited on Wed Jul-29-09 06:51 PM by cdsilv
The White House, Washington

Dear Friend,

If you’re like most Americans, there’s nothing more important to you about health care than peace of mind.

Given the status quo, that’s understandable. The current system often denies insurance due to pre-existing conditions, charges steep out-of-pocket fees – and sometimes isn’t there at all if you become seriously ill.

It’s time to fix our unsustainable insurance system and create a new foundation for health care security. That means guaranteeing your health care security and stability with eight basic consumer protections:

* No discrimination for pre-existing conditions
* No exorbitant out-of-pocket expenses, deductibles or co-pays
* No cost-sharing for preventive care
* No dropping of coverage if you become seriously ill
* No gender discrimination
* No annual or lifetime caps on coverage
* Extended coverage for young adults
* Guaranteed insurance renewal so long as premiums are paid

Learn more about these consumer protections at Whitehouse.gov.

Over the next month there is going to be an avalanche of misinformation and scare tactics from those seeking to perpetuate the status quo. But we know the cost of doing nothing is too high. Health care costs will double over the next decade, millions more will become uninsured, and state and local governments will go bankrupt.

It’s time to act and reform health insurance, drive down costs and guarantee the health care security and stability of every American family. You can help by putting these core principles of reform in the hands of your friends, your family, and the rest of your social network.

Thank you,
Barack Obama





This email was sent to xxxxxx@yahoo.com
Unsubscribe | Privacy Policy
Please do not reply to this email. Contact the White House

The White House • 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW • Washington, DC 20500 • 202-456-1111


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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:53 PM
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1. Yup.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:53 PM
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2. I got one late this afternoon.
Why?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:54 PM
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3. Yes I have
What's the problem?

:shrug:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:54 PM
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4. What does "according to yahoo" specifically mean here?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 11:04 PM
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19. Yahoo is in a position technologically to verify if it came from the White House's mail servers
Actually, any mail service can do that by checking SPF records; I think whitehouse.gov also uses Yahoo's DomainKeys technology.

Basically, I can telnet to a mail server on port 25 and send an email claiming to be from president@whitehouse.gov. Yahoo uses some technology to distinguish between that and an actual authorized mailing from the white house.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:54 PM
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5. Yes
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cdsilv Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:56 PM
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7. Just wondered if others were getting it..'certified by yahoo'....
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:59 PM
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9. Nothing about yahoo on the email I got
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:56 PM
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6. Well, if it's certified, you know it's legit.
And if you’re like most Americans, there’s nothing more important to you about email than peace of mind.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 11:07 PM
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20. If Yahoo "certifies" it, it means...
...that the sending mail transport agent:

A) holds a certificate issued by Yahoo or a competent certificate authority identifying the server as belonging to the sending organization,

B) matches the "authorized sender" field of an SPF record for the domain as reported by the authoritative nameserver for the domain, or at worst

C) matches the MX record for the domain as reported by the authoritative nameserver for the domain
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 06:58 PM
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8. A mere sin of omission.
The President should have added:

"And if you don't have insurance now, you will either qualify for Medicaid or you will be FORCED to buy insurance, whether you think you can afford it or not. Said insurance will be subsidized so that you will only have to pay between 1.5% to 11% of your gross income for it every year. If that sounds like more than you can afford, too bad. If you don't buy the insurance, you will be a criminal, and you may face stiff fines that you also can't afford."

That's what this proposal means to me.

:dem:

-Laelth
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marybourg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 07:53 PM
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11. And if "you don't have insurance now" and you become seriously ill
or injured who pays your medical bill?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 08:10 PM
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12. Sigh. I know.
You and a lot of people like you would rather that I die than for you to have to pay more taxes.

Over the years I have paid a lot into the system in taxes. Right now, I can't. Does that mean I should be forced to? What's wrong with a system where those who can afford to pay in do, and where those who can not afford to pay in don't have to? That's progressive, after all.

:shrug:

:dem:

-Laelth
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marybourg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 10:36 PM
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17. No. I wouldn't rather you die. I and everyone else
with insurance are paying an extra $1000/year to cover uninsured people's bills. But didn't you hear the President say that people who couldn't afford insurance would get graduated, up to complete, assistance? Isn't that a lot better than not having insurance? Or do you just like to go around pretending to be the injured onne?
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 12:06 AM
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22. You've been misinformed about the relationship between your premiums and uninsured costs.
I've heard the same thing--and bought into it too. It's false. Receiving (and paying for) medical care after losing insurance benefits is a big eye-opener, believe me. Those who are insured aren't paying more to 'cover' the uninsured. They're paying more than Medicare patients, true, but the uninsured get charged much more than those with some type of insurance. I can tell you this from personal experience, but you don't have to take my anonymous word for it. Here ya go:

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/hearings.asp?formmode=view&id=1224
Since most hospitals can increase their net revenue (from private insurers, Medicare, and workers comp plans) by raising their list prices, there is a strong incentive to keep increasing list prices. Indeed, data show that list prices have increased rapidly and substantially in recent years...

Not only do the uninsured pay for all their care out-of-pocket, but they face higher fees for the same procedure than the insured since they do not benefit from the bargaining clout of an insurance company...

Hospital list prices will continue to rise faster than costs and net prices, further exacerbating the hardship on the uninsured.


http://www.healthreformwatch.com/2009/07/19/price-gouging-by-doctors-and-hospitals/
When patients are not protected by large private or public insurers, doctors and hospitals charge them astonishingly more than patients with Medicare or managed-care insurance. Some price difference would make sense, because insurers offer providers large volume and economies of scale. But we are not talking about discounts of 10, or 20, or even 30 percent. Providers routinely double, triple, or even quadruple prices for unprotected patients. Such huge mark-ups can only be regarded as price-gouging — exploiting market power to charge prices virtually unrelated to actual cost or market value.

A comprehensive analysis of data hospitals report to Medicare shows that, on average, hospitals charge uninsured patients two-and-a-half times more than they charge insured patients and three times more than their actual costs. In some states mark-ups average four-fold.


http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Wz7gRjDJvLwJ:www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/jhu-ps1178682049+medical+bill+markups+to+uninsured&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
"In the 1950s, the uninsured and poor were charged the lowest prices for medical service. Today they pay the highest prices, often two to three times more than what a person with health insurance would pay for hospital care," said Anderson, a professor in the Department of Health Policy and Management at the Bloomberg School of Public Health.

Anderson's analysis determined the ratio between the prices hospitals charged self-pay patients and Medicare-allowable costs, which are the costs that Medicare has determined to be what it costs to provide care to all patients. In 2004, the ratio was 3.07, which means that for every $100 in Medicare-allowable costs, the average hospital charged a self-pay patient $307. The charge-to-cost ratio was greatest at for-profit hospitals-4.10 compared to a 2.49 ratio at public hospitals.

The study also shows that the gap between the amount self-pay patients are charged and what Medicare pays for hospital services more than doubled over the past 20 years. Anderson argues that the widening gap in prices makes it increasingly difficult for the uninsured to pay their medical bills.


There are a lot of factors pushing up your premiums, one of them being the GREED of insurance companies as well as for-profit health care enterprises. It's not the fault of the uninsured. You and others with insurance are not 'carrying' the uninsured. Far from it. Just wanted to clear that up, because it's a common misconception that fosters misplaced and unnecessary resentment. It's time for it to go away now.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 07:05 PM
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10. Yes notice no words Public Option!!! Just the word Reform. He is backing off. Saw that since
yesterday. I sent back a message for him to not back down on a strong public option as he already backed down on Single Payer. I said alot more and the email did not come back so maybe it went back to them.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 08:18 PM
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13. Translation: Tough shit if you expected real reform.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 09:15 PM
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14. "those seeking to perpetuate the status quo"
Like Obama...perpetuating the insurance game.
Arrghhh.
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 09:19 PM
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15. Yes, got one today!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 10:12 PM
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16. Yes. More pro-corporate blah, blah, blah.
I guess I'll just keep on writing, "We told you so." for the next three and a half years.


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 10:59 PM
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18. I was looking for "portability".
:shrug:
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-29-09 11:13 PM
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21. I got one of those today, but I figured it was because I e-mailed the White House two nights ago.
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