CNN: Beer choice at Obama meeting touches off new debate

[Curtland1015]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/30/beer-choice-at-obama-meeting-touches-off-new-debate-2/

Really? REALLY?

Is this really the important thing to focus on here?

...oh well. They all should have had Guinness, O'Bama being Irish and all.

[Maru Kitteh]

1. Guinness is wretched. I think people only drink it because it's "fashionable."

There. I said it.

[Aristus]

4. You wouldn't understand; it's an Irish thing.

Guiness is divine, but when I drink porter, I tend to stick with the local brew, Black Butte Porter. Yum! :9 :beer: :9

[paulsby]

81. guinness RULES

but black butte is excellent as well. i could care less about drinking something because it's "cool". i've posted numerous times here about how i have great respect for mcdonald's and eat it on occasion. that is clearly not "cool" here so i have 100% "not trying to be cool credibility" :)

[Curtland1015]

6. Blasphemy!!!

Guinness is like silky dark chocolate in a glass! It is the nectar of the angels! It is the giver of life!

How dare you!

:cry:

[brendan120678]

8. I like Guinness because...

it's the most widely-available of the (Dry) Stouts, which is the type of beer that I prefer.

[greguganus]

10. I like Guinness because I like getting the balls out of the cans. n/t

[brendan120678]

21. LOL...that's fun as well. (nt)

[FSogol]

11. Can I un-recommend this response?

Guinness is like mother's milk.

[mikelgb]

14. you need to get it on tap at proper pub where they use nitrogen

[Ignis]

66. +1

:hi:

[Vapor Trails]

82. Oh yes. And you need to be patient. n/t

[City Lights]

106. Indeed.

The bartenders need to do one thing, do it well, and then move on. ;-)

[KatyMan]

15. Guinness is proof

that the Irish are the most advanced civilization the world has ever seen.

[backscatter712]

91. You just reminded me of a scene from ... The Simpsons?

It depicted Irish civilization thousands of years ago, looking like The Jetsons, with flying cars and amazingly futuristic technology.

Then they invented whiskey...

[armyowalgreens]

133. That's from family guy...

http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/27483/detail/

[Maeve]

95. Alright, Guinness guys and gals, gather round and sing--

Put that Budweiser back in the Clydesdale,
It's not the right flavor for me!
The color's all wrong and there's not enough foam
and it has all the kick of weak tea!
Pull me a pint of that good Guinness stout
With a body you cannot see through
Put that Budweiser back in the Clydesdale, boys,
And pour me a beer that is true!
(lyrics by Mike Campbell, sung by Seamus Kennedy)

[seabeyond]

16. i think all beer wretched, i think people drink cause they are lushes, lol

nah....

i dont care. but hubby really likes taste, has been drinking for decades and i dont think your conclusion any more correct than mine, wink

[City Lights]

22. I drink it because it's the best beer out there.

Being "fashionable" has nothing to do with it.

And nothing tastes as good as the Guinness poured from the tapper at the Gravity Bar. Best evah! :beer: :9

[GoCubsGo]

78. It's best from the source

I had it at the Guinness Storehouse--before the Gravity Bar was built. Haven't taste any quite that good since then. Guinness is not my favorite beer, but I sure do enjoy it. My goodness, that's the stuff!

[Touchdown]

101. A 250 year old beer is considered "fashionable"

Yeah, I'll take him seriously.:rofl:

[joeunderdog]

114. Please, Touchdown, put down the good stuff and do as the Bud commercial says.

Coors will even tell you when your beer is cold. That's right, cold. Shows you who they're playing to.

[Ignis]

117. That's the first quality I look for in a good beer.

Temperature.

:banghead:

[Vinnie From Indy]

25. LOL!

I think you know nothing about good beer. There. I said it.

[tabatha]

26. Guinness is about the only beer I can stomach.

[enlightenment]

30. To each their own. I love the taste of stouts and porters.

It's the piss-thin lagers I don't like.

[Vapor Trails]

89. lol. Ditto. n/t

[Ignis]

118. Mmm, Old Peculiar, anyone?

:toast:

[EOTE]

34. What?!?! You don't like room temperature over-roasted coffee mildly carbonated

with a dash of bitters added for good measure?

[alfredo]

38. Mackeson's XXX Triple Stout is much better, same for Bells Expedition Stout

Bells is an American beer. (Kazoo Michigan)

Great Lakes makes some fine ales too. Love Burning River Ale.

Bells Oberon is a very nice wheat beer, and their Two Hearted Ale is one of the best of the Hop heavy beers. It has a nice citrus flavor.

Schlafly Dry Hopped APA (American Pale Ale) is a very tasty brew. Dry hopping cuts the bitterness of the hops. It's a St Louis beer and cheaper than the above. Schlafly Summer Lager is good for a lager.

Stone IPA and Stone Pale Ale are a good choice. It's a west coast beer.

Founders makes some high quality ales. Their Centennial IPA has a more pronounced malt presence than what you'd expect from an IPA.

I've heard some good things about Three Floyds out of Indianapolis, but haven't had the pleasure of trying them. (Indiana and Illinois only)

Anderson Valley Hop Ottin' IPA is very nice. Sierra Nevada IPA is pretty good too, but I like the Schlafly APA better as an every day beer.

I think Mackeson's is brewed in the Hudepol brewery in Cincy, though it is a Brit beer.


Coors is not American, Miller is not American, and Bud is not American.

Buy American, and when possible, buy local.

So Obama, there are some fine American made beers. They have no chemical additives, use real hops, use no rice filler, and they actually have flavor.

[Renew Deal]

39. Most controversial statement I've ever read on DU!!!

:D

[Maru Kitteh]

110. Obviously! LOL

:rofl:

27 replies? :hide:

I drink local beers. I think Guinness is just awful. Obviously, I must be flogged. :evilgrin:

[rd_kent]

46. Wow, you are obviously NOT a beer connoisseur!

"Guinness is wretched." Thems fightin words! :)

[vincna]

48. Have you ever had it in Ireland...

...at a pub that moves a lot of it? It doesn't travel well, it needs to be fresh, the pipes and tap need to be clean and the bartender has to know how to draw a proper pint. If you don't have all of those things, you're probably drinking bad or mediocre Guiness. Take a trip to Ireland. Even if you still don't like Guiness, it will be worth it.

[PVnRT]

49. While I disagree that it is wretched

I will agree that many people drink to be seen drinking it.

[TheMightyFavog]

61. You, firend have no taste.

Guiness is proof that the gods really love us.

[Ignis]

65. Again, I cry at the lack of a :facepalm: emote.

Most Guinness poured in America tastes like crap because it's either

- improperly stored,
- improperly chilled, or
- improperly poured.

A nice pint that's given a triple-pull on tap shouldn't taste like moldy tobacco-juice, but that's what I'm served at most American bars when I order a Guinness. So I've given up, for the most part.

[Maru Kitteh]

112. "moldy tobacco-juice" - YES. That is what every single Guinness I've ever had tastes like.

I'll stick to my local beers.

If I get to Ireland, I'll have it there.

[Ignis]

116. As long as you realize it's not *supposed* to taste that way.

:)

[Release The Hounds]

72. Exactly.

[fascisthunter]

73. shame

[Enrique]

76. Guiness makes my jaw hurt

not sure why, some wines do the same. :crazy:

[Vapor Trails]

77. Somewhere in County Kildare in Ireland....

Arthur Guinness is rolling over in his grave. I began drinking Guinness before it was "fashionable". Others drink it because they realized they would like something with taste rather than watered hops to drink. It's not just for breakfast anymore. Mmmmmmmm Guinness.

[PretzelWarrior]

97. Guinness is good very cold on tap. Forget cans or bottles

and my bro and I love to have half and halfs. Guinness and Harp lager

[Touchdown]

100. I bet you still wear your Member's Only jacket.

"Guinness is wretched". :eyes:

[taught_me_patience]

103. Right on

One Guiness and my stomach feels heavy and bloated and my tounge is destroyed. One Miller Lite... and I feel great... ready to drink a couple more.

[kwassa]

104. Guinness is the fad beer of this decade.

Here we are in a world of wonderful microbrews right here in the US. A huge variety of great regional beers, most vastly more interesting than Guinness.

Guinness has been around forever, but only recently has it become the supercool, in beer to drink.

Reminds me of "Smokey and the Bandit" an entire movie about smuggling that special beer, Coors, out of its region. It turned out that.... Coors is entirely unremarkable, even for an American lager.

[maxsolomon]

111. take it back.

you know not of what you speak.

[joeunderdog]

113. Corona and Heineken are"fashionable." Guineess is for us outcasts who prefer real beer.

If you don't understand, I can't explain it to you. There, I said it.

:toast:

[mwooldri]

115. Once upon a time, UK doctors used to be able to prescribe Guinness.

And yes, it was available on the National Health Service.

If back then docs could prescribe it then there must be some goodness to it - even though it is alcoholic.

Mark.

[PatSeg]

119. I've never been "fashionable"

and Guinness is my first choice when it comes to beer. It's really a matter of preference.

[BlooInBloo]

123. Nah Guinness is good. Not great, but good. Irish carbombs are the SHIT...

Just don't have like 9 of them in a row. Bad news, there.

[mrs_p]

125. overt flamebait

;)

:rofl:

[madokie]

2. Make it a Pigs Eye lean

http://www.pigseye.com/

[guitar man]

20. I love Pigs Eye

Decent beer for not a lot of money :thumbsup:

[madokie]

44. I don't drink much anymore but I do keep a six pack handy

you know just in case :-)

[guitar man]

56. me either

but I imagine it could come in handy when things get slow out there in Choteau :hi:

[madokie]

68. What do you mean by get slow

its so slow here that it takes two days for the morning fog to lift. You know its kinda funny how I came about quiting drinking. I tried to quit for several years but was having no luck then one day I was so hung over or something to the point that I forgot to go to the liquor store to get my next days supply and by the time the next day I sobered up enough to realize it the day was pretty much gone so I thought for a moment and the thought hit me that hell if I can do without this shit this long, probably 12 or so hours, then I can do it longer. Been something like three some odd years now. I do have a beer from time to time but a six pack will last me so long as to forget when it was I bought it and I do have a memory like an elephant

Life is great :hi:

[guitar man]

70. I'm the same way now

Unless I have friends over,I'll have beer just sit in the fridge for months and won't drink it.

Hey, is The Dutch Pantry still open over there? I used to gig at a place in Inola and any time I got the chance I'd run on out to Choteau and grab some pies from there. Best pies in the world. :thumbsup:

[madokie]

85. Yes they are

Some say the Dutch Pantry has the best food in the whole area, I have to agree with that too. They're just a day time eatery though so we don't make it there too often.

[guitar man]

90. cool thanks

I'm headed to Grand Lake to do a gig this weekend and if I get the chance I'm going to detour and grab a pie or two :P

[madokie]

96. The cheese house across the street has a bakery too and they do pies up right also

theres also one off the main hiway on your way into town too. All Amish by the way

[guitar man]

99. thanks

I'll have to check them out :hi:

[shraby]

3. I'm so tired of the minutae(sp?) becoming the big

story of the day. Actually as a rule the host asks the guest what they'd prefer.

[Lorien]

59. They want us to ignore the big stuff

that's the point.

[surrealAmerican]

86. Me too.

Our media has become dominated by gossip columnists.

[gleaner]

92. I am so frustrated..

with this continuous vamping on nothing by the news media. I am also sick to death of how much air play the Republicans keep getting. I cannot remember another time when a party was voted so soundly out of office because of the hardship they promulgated and the growing dislike for their basic ideas being given as much or more air time than the new incumbents.

I have already heard all of the conservative crap I ever want to hear. I had to listen to it the whole time Bush was president. I didn't want to hear it then either but there was no escaping it unless I had taken out a lease on a cave and become a hermit. Enough is enough already.

I would like to see news about actual events. Like what is happening in the economy and abroad and how it is affected by this administration. All of the conservative "commentary" is about as palatable as the hairballs my cats bring up.

[yellowcanine]

5. Obama drinks Bud Light? We need an intervention.

[City Lights]

31. Agreed!

Bud Light? :wtf: :puke:

[TheMightyFavog]

63. Watered down fermented horse piss?

I thought Obama had more taste than that.

[backscatter712]

93. No wonder their Clydesdales are so big...

They have to make a lot of beer!

[greguganus]

7. Yuengling--America's oldest brewery since 1829. n/t

[doc03]

40. You know Yuengling had problems with the

Teamsters Union and they have been forced to sell their beer outside their traditional market area to make up for the lost sales.

[Turbineguy]

9. OUTRAGE!!!

can we get some bigger fonts please?

[gratuitous]

36. Sure thing

Put the following code in brackets: font size="72" or font size="128" and voila!

Larger fonts

[Turbineguy]

109. [font size="128"]

Thank you!

[rucky]

12. Not the best beer, but Miller Brewing is Union.

just sayin'

[rateyes]

13. ixnay on the Sam Adams

I've had it one time. It will be my only time drinking that swill. It has to be what horse urine tastes like. Uuuugggghhhh.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

23. Maybe you had some that was past its 'best by' date. Sam goes south pretty fast.

[rateyes]

33. Maybe. But it was on tap in a pub.

[doc03]

41. I bought one six pack of Sam Adams and it

was like skunk beer. I poured it down the drain and have never tried any since. Locally it is brewed by Iron City and that isn't exactly a gourmet brew.

[Enrique]

75. try it again sometime

maybe you were in the wrong mood. :shrug:

[GoCubsGo]

79. I second that...

I have never had a bad Sam Adams. They brew some styles that are not to some people's tastes. Some of them, like their black beer and their Scotch ale are not for everyone. I'm not a big fan of their blackberry wit, but that is just because I'm not a fan of anyone's blackberry wit.

Sometimes the bar or other vendor doesn't store their beers properly. Any beer can go bad if it gets stuck in a hot warehouse for an extended period of time.

[Red Knight]

105. I like Sam Adams but...

The Cream Stoudt is warmed over vomit.

Avoid that one at all costs.

I do like sampling the different versions but I'd rather go with a cheap beer, personally.

Give me an Old Milwaukee, or six and I'm fine, and happy.

[jmowreader]

121. Or on a hot trailer for an extended period of time

I haul a LOT of beer, and some of the breweries like to load trailers and leave the trailers in drop yards. The problem is, when it's August and you've got a trailer full of beer sitting in a drop yard in Texas for a week and a half, when that shit gets to the store it's not gonna taste so good.

This happens to expensive imports too.

[high density]

17. More appropriate headline: Attention whore Rep. Neal sends Obama a letter and CCs media

I can't believe people at CNN get paid to post such crap.

[datasuspect]

18. go with the Champagne of Beers

[kirby]

19. BeerGate!

I cannot believe that this got CNN time. Even worse, I cannot believe that a Democratic Rep from Mass, Richard Neal, took the time to write a letter to the President trying to influence the beer choice. I mean, lets not let the guys drink what they like, lets force something on them.

[WilliamPitt]

24. I heard it's gonna be Cambridge Brew Co.

Meh.

There were better local choices, I think.

:P

[liberal N proud]

27. Does the media want to debate what toilet paper the White House uses too?

For Christ Sake!

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

28. Red Dog or Schlitz's Malt (n/t)

[Hepburn]

29. This is sooooooooo stupid....

...who the hell cares what kind of beer -- or if any beer at all -- will be consumed at that get together?

There is a war, the economy is a mess, and there is no meaningful health care reform going on...and THIS catches the attention of the media?

:eyes:

[badgerpup]

37. Howza bout having one of the locals supply...

...a homebrew?:beer:

You might (or might not) be surprised at how many people still practice the brewing of beer as a skill...
and are quite good at it! :toast:

To have one's product served as the beverage of peace in this particular situation would be quite an honor. :patriot:
Also would be a rather good PR move...at least to my unskilled, innocent way of thinking...:shrug:


I only make wine, but I'd JUMP at the chance to 'serve'...

[ensho]

32. what if one of them doesn't like beer?

not everybody does.

[SOS]

35. Breaking News!

Sam Adams public relations press release reaches desk of CNN summer intern.

[doc03]

42. Doesn't the Chicago area have a local favorite?

What about Goose Island?

[WeDidIt]

43. They could have just gone with Fat Tire

YUM!

[Xithras]

52. No, they'd have whined about the Prez drinking one of those "Euro ales"

Even though it's brewed in Colorado.

I actually had a freeperish cousin say something to me along those lines at a BBQ a few weeks ago. I was drinking a Fat Tire, and he walked up with a Bud Light in his hand..."Hey may, why are you drinking that Euro crap. Have a real American beer."

Idiot.

[WeDidIt]

58. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Did you tell him Budweiser was bought out by a a real Belgian company?

Whereas the New Belgian Brewing company is American top to bottom.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. Only in America would this be a matter of consequence.

Like the great Jockeys or Boxers debate of yore.

[Xithras]

53. I think you're dead wrong there.

In many parts of the world, and most of Europe, the local ale is a matter of pride and has caused more than a few fistfights.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

47. What's next? "Is Obama an alcoholic?"

After all, some of them are already questioning his *fitness* to lead on health care reform because he still smokes a little (didn't W smoke a cigar or two with "Bandar Bush"?) and his *fat* surgeon general nominee? :eyes:

Wait a minute....shouldn't give the media whores any more *ideas*!!!
:yoiks:

[GoCubsGo]

80. I think that's why he chose Bud Light...

I can't believe there's much alcohol in that swill.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

84. I wouldn't know- I don't drink

It was a nice thing for President Obama to do given the controversy this whole thing has elicited and I'm hard pressed to think of another President ever having done anything like this before. :thumbsup:

[tavalon]

50. Never underestimate the stupidity of the media

[gorfle]

51. I've just never developed a taste for beer.

I've tried. I wanted to be able to drink socially but I just don't care for the taste of most alcoholic beverages.

I find beer to be just too bitter. I think it's the hops. I once tried "India Pale Ale" and about gagged. They say this beer was filled with hops as a preservative to make the trip from England to India, and that is how it came about. Nasty, vile stuff.

I can tolerate sweet red wines. There is a beer called "Hacker-Pshorr" that is tolerable. Also Warsteiner dark is tolerable.

But I'd take a milkshake over any of them. :)

[Xithras]

57. Try New Belgium's Sunshine Wheat

My wife wasn't a beer drinker either until she tried the Fat Tire wheat beers. They're very mellow and not bitter at all. It's sort of a wheaty citrus taste. Very yummy.

[mainer]

120. with a slice of orange in it!

Yes.

[Critters2]

71. I've thought this, too. If the president should ever invite me over for a beer,

I'd ask if I could have a good root beer instead. And then request Sprecher's.

[backscatter712]

94. India Pale Ale takes some getting used to - it's really, really hoppy.

I don't drink IPAs that often - they're pretty bitter.

Try some of the darker ales, like a brown ale, or a stout.

[alcibiades_mystery]

54. CNN hits new low

Wow.

[izzybeans]

55. he should go with Negra Modelo just to piss off Lou Dobbs.

Or he could go with Three Floyd's Dark Lord so that Glenn Beck shits himself.

[SuperTrouper]

60. Don't make fun of Negra Modelo, it is delicious, the best Mexican beer nt

[izzybeans]

62. It's definitely a good choice. I'm not saying that.

just posting a random (poor attempt at) funny

[Ignis]

67. I'll drink to that!

:toast:

[City Lights]

88. Another one of my favorites!

:9

:beer:

[taught_me_patience]

102. Modelo Especial

from the can is much much better.

[seemunkee]

64. Pretty Things

http://www.prettythingsbeertoday.com/site/
Local Beantown brewer of some incredible beer. Although I'm sure the media would have a hard time with dealing with the name

[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. He's worse than Bush!!!!1

Oh, sorry, wrong thread. :blush:

[JohnnyBoots]

87. If Bush had done this, they would be crying, "Wow, he really is a man of the people. Way to

go Mr President, how American. Hashing out your differences over a cold one. Brings a tear to the eye( que 'Proud to be an American' in the back ground playing)" But no, Obama is a Democrat so he is wasting his time, why isn't he working....etc. A bunch of bollocks if you ask me.

[fascisthunter]

74. I get it... because it's a "dark" beer????

He should have gone with a Franziskaner Weis Bier.

[KansDem]

83. Sam Adams Light!

It's the brew of choice in the KansDem household...


...:9

[Zorra]

98. Sam Adams would be a great choice. Adams was a Founding Father, an early "Democrat",

was highly regarded by Thomas Jefferson, and an early American brewery founder. And the beer is really good.

Perfect beer for the White House.

[KansDem]

124. And his signature appears on the Declaration of Independence!

The Unanimous Declaration
of the Thirteen United States of America

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.

He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.

He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:

For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing taxes on us without our consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:

For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:


For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:

For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:

For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

New Hampshire: Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts: John Hancock, Samual Adams:patriot:, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island: Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut: Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York: William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey: Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania: Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware: Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland: Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia: George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina: William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina: Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia: Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

[Kingofalldems]

107. Gunthers, National Bo or Hamm's

[alarimer]

108. Everything else aside, Obama has TERRIBLE taste in beer.

Bud fucking light? How can anybody drink that horse piss?

He must not be much of a beer drinker, nothing wrong with that, or he would know there are much better beers out there. I guess the Budweiser lobby got to him though. LOL.

[mrs_p]

128. you know - i agree

not that i am going to shove it ahead of real national issues - but bud light?? it's kinda how i feel about people who hate animals - it's hard to trust them.

:D

[alarimer]

131. I am sure someone made him choose that.

Remember the whole mustard controversy? I guess Bud Light makes him seem more like a regular guy, even though it is all an exercise in bullshit anyway.

[mrs_p]

132. oh i forgot all about the mustard!

i'm sure this will go away too.

[spanone]

122. crowley should have had kool-aid

[mrs_p]

127. lol

for reals

[mrs_p]

126. my favorite is seasonal

and one i can hardly find anymore - big sky slow elk oatmeal stout. YUUUMMMYY



ps - damn, i love beer threads

[fujiyama]

129. I'm disappointed in his taste in beer

Then again, I didn't vote for him as beer-connoisseur-in-chief.

[Salviati]

130. Given all the hype, here's the beer Obama should have chosen: