Freep forward on Health Care

[minkyboodle]

My father sent this to me. Anyone know if there is a snopes like entry
for this email. He is up in a lather about it. Here it is:
sounds like typical big bad govt stuff to me.

> Stephen Fraser
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> July 23, 2009
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> Senator Bayh,
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> As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the healthcare bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government's proposed involvement in the patient physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is dangerous and certainly not helpful in designing a healthcare system that works for all. Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our healthcare system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress will be a disaster if passed.
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> I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.
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> Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self insure!!
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> Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
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> Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!
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> Page 42 of HC Bill:The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
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> Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
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> Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!
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> Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer.
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> Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).
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> Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange.
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> Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
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> Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example - Translation: illegal aliens.
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> Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.
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> Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed.
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> Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.
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> Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly.
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> Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make! (salary)
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> Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!
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> Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.
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> Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.
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> Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.
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> Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.
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> Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)
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> Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.
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> Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that!
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> Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.
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> Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same!
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> Page 253 Line 10-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time, proffession, judgment etc. Literally value of humans.
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> Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.
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> Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.
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> Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
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> Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt deems preventable re-admissions.
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> Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.
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> Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Doctors what/how much they can own!
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> Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand.
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> Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. Can u say ACORN?!!
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> Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.
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> Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.
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> Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! Unbelievable!
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> Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health Advisory Comittee. Can you say HC by phone?
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> Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life patients.
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> Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
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> Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)
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> Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.
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> Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.
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> Page 429 Lines 10-12: "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!
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> Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
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> Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life!
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> Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?
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> Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?
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> Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.
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> Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.
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> Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.
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> Furthermore, If you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor/patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.
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> Respectfully,
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> Stephen E Fraser MD

[tularetom]

1. Destroys the doctor/patient relationship my ass

There has been no doctor/patient relationship for years.

It's now the doctor/insurance company relationship.

The patient is merely the sucker paying the tab for the entire fucking mess.

[cbayer]

5. Absolutely agree.

FWIW, this particular doctor appears to be an anesthesiologist - a medical speciality in which the physician/patient relationship is only marginally more significant than it is for a pathologist.

[cbayer]

2. There will be lots of backlash from those who are invested in the present system,

including many, but not all, physicians.

One could probably counter each of these lines if one wanted to. The fact that this is listing pages and lines, followed by a biased interpretation but not the actual language of the bill, is very telling.

A quick google search shows that this is pretty viral on the web right now. Anyone who swallows it without actually looking at the pages/lines listed is foolish and can be swayed in whatever direction in which they are already headed.

[gratuitous]

3. Yes, Snopes is indeed your friend

But taking just one item from this scattershot laundry list: rationed health care. Of course health care is rationed, and it always has been. For example, the Centers for Disease Control is working out right now who is going to get vaccinations for the H1N1 "swine flu" anticipated to flare up again in the fall and winter.

Now, why doesn't the government just vaccinate everyone? There are very good public health reasons. First, not everyone is susceptible to the worst ravages of the swine flu. Average, healthy adults hit by the flu will be sick for a week or so, but generally shake it off after that time. Second, there isn’t enough time to synthesize enough vaccine for everyone between now and October, so choices have to be made to target the most vulnerable members of the population. Third, it’s not generally a good idea to vaccinate everyone for a transient virus like the swine flu. Flu strains are adaptable, and it’s not easy to predict what sort of mutation might result if a strain encounters too much resistance. A vaccine-resistant flu strain could very well be far worse and more deadly to the population. From a public policy and public health standpoint, it’s far preferable to have some people get sick and miss a few days of work than it is to take a chance on creating a resistant superflu strain that might be far deadlier than H1N1.

Your dad would be far better served by getting off the alarmist train and joining the rest of us here in reality.

[Winterblues]

4. I wonder what Health Care Bill he is reading?

There are several out there, and none have cleared either House..

[angrycarpenter]

6. google Stephen E Frasier

This thing has appeared on every forum on the internet. The only Stephen E frasier on google is an anesthesiologist. Do they call themselves MD?

[cbayer]

9. They are indeed MD's, but have been less harmed by the current system than

those on the front lines (primary care physicians, pediatricians, OB-GYN's, psychiatrists).

[JuniperLea]

7. The Insurance INDUSTRY makes a few people rich...

There are a very few, very loud wealthy people in this country who make millions off health care. They do this by selling insurance, and trying not to pay out claims. They love their money, and clearly don't give a flying rat's ass about your health, so they are going to be very loud and lie a lot so we don't stop giving them all that money.

That's what this is about. That is the only truth in this whole mess.

[Suich]

8. LOL! I just got the same e-mail!

I was getting a headache reading it!

:rofl:

[Contrary1]

10. Look here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6172093

[FSogol]

11. Did he forget page 500: Snuff the eldery, grab all the guns, and put the freepers in camps?

:shrug:

[Canuckistanian]

12. What is it with these freaks and ACORN?

Same M.O. every time - make some shit up, then blame ACORN for it.

They must buy their strawmen by the truckload.

[Crunchy Frog]

13. It's interesting. I've seen this posted several times already.

One of the lines seems to come out differently every time it goes through the spell check.

"Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to you ur banks accounts for elective funds transfer."
(Freeps don't know how to spell "electronic"?)

I imagine it would tak awhile to refute every single one of these points.

[mnhtnbb]

14. Here's the bill

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf


I don't have the time to refute everything, but starting at the top:

p. 22 mandates a study of a large group of insured vs. self-insured markets and discusses
various factors to be included in the study and a report to be generated. The goal
is to make sure that incentives aren't being created by the law to create adverse selection
in the risk pools.

There is NOTHING in the language of that page that says books of all
employers who self insure will be audited!

I suspect if someone goes item by item they will find similar truth stretching.

[handmade34]

15. distortion distortion, fear, misleading inuendo, fear, distortion, etc...

[BlueIdaho]

16. Chaff - Propaganda - pure and simple

There is no Dr. Stephen E Foster but there are plenty of industry sponsored war rooms churning out tons of this shit. We need to get organized, we need to donate money to buy advertising time, we need to knock on doors, we need to talk to our friends - the Insurance cartel is spending over one million dollars a day to get what they want. What are we willing to do go get what America needs?

The republicans know if they can avoid a vote, they can spend August poisoning the well and ONE MORE FUCKING TIME get folks to vote against there own best interests using fear and lies. This is nothing new.

[mnhtnbb]

17. I just sent this on to Snopes along with a link to the health care bill

and asked them to fact check.

[Beaumont Jones]

19. I'm thinking this is bogus.

Just glancing through it I'm not seeing ANY of what
"Stephen Fraser" claims. For example,

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit
books of all
>> employers that self insure!!

As stated earlier in the thread, there is nothing on page 22
that discusses audits.

>> Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT
COMMITTEE that decides
>> what treatments/benefits you get.

Yes, the bill describes a committee chaired by the Surgeon
General to "recommend" covered benefits. That
doesn't happen now with private insurance?

>>Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS
RATIONED!!!

These lines refer to "cost-sharing" and
"copayment." In the previous section it states
"no cost sharing for preventative service."
Therefore, it seems like these are limits on financial
liability for patients, NOT limits on care.

So from just checking out the first 3 claims and the crazy
exaggerated tone of the email, this seems BOGUS. I wouldn't be
surprised if this was written by a lobbying group. Hopefully
snopes will get on this ASAP!

[Mugweed]

18. Take note of page 489 sec 1308

Apparently the right-wing freaks have no problem with inserting the government into your marriage when it involves making same-sex marriage illegal.

Hypocrites...systemic and chronic.