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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:35 PM
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Three Good Reasons to Liquidate Our Empire, and Ten Steps to Take to Do So


Soldiers line up at Manas Air Base in Kyrgyzstan. The US operates 865 bases in more than 40 countries and territories. (Photo: US Department of Defense)

Three Good Reasons to Liquidate Our Empire: and Ten Steps to Take to Do So
By Chalmers Johnson
TomDispatch.com

Thursday 30 July 2009

However ambitious President Barack Obama's domestic plans, one unacknowledged issue has the potential to destroy any reform efforts he might launch. Think of it as the 800-pound gorilla in the American living room: our longstanding reliance on imperialism and militarism in our relations with other countries and the vast, potentially ruinous global empire of bases that goes with it. The failure to begin to deal with our bloated military establishment and the profligate use of it in missions for which it is hopelessly inappropriate will, sooner rather than later, condemn the United States to a devastating trio of consequences: imperial overstretch, perpetual war, and insolvency, leading to a likely collapse similar to that of the former Soviet Union.

According to the 2008 official Pentagon inventory of our military bases around the world, our empire consists of 865 facilities in more than 40 countries and overseas U.S. territories. We deploy over 190,000 troops in 46 countries and territories. In just one such country, Japan, at the end of March 2008, we still had 99,295 people connected to U.S. military forces living and working there - 49,364 members of our armed services, 45,753 dependent family members, and 4,178 civilian employees. Some 13,975 of these were crowded into the small island of Okinawa, the largest concentration of foreign troops anywhere in Japan.

These massive concentrations of American military power outside the United States are not needed for our defense. They are, if anything, a prime contributor to our numerous conflicts with other countries. They are also unimaginably expensive. According to Anita Dancs, an analyst for the website Foreign Policy in Focus, the United States spends approximately $250 billion each year maintaining its global military presence. The sole purpose of this is to give us hegemony - that is, control or dominance - over as many nations on the planet as possible.

We are like the British at the end of World War II: desperately trying to shore up an empire that we never needed and can no longer afford, using methods that often resemble those of failed empires of the past - including the Axis powers of World War II and the former Soviet Union. There is an important lesson for us in the British decision, starting in 1945, to liquidate their empire relatively voluntarily, rather than being forced to do so by defeat in war, as were Japan and Germany, or by debilitating colonial conflicts, as were the French and Dutch. We should follow the British example. (Alas, they are currently backsliding and following our example by assisting us in the war in Afghanistan.)

Here are three basic reasons why we must liquidate our empire or else watch it liquidate us.

The rest: http://www.truthout.org/073009I
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:41 PM
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1. K & R - n/t.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:42 PM
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2. K&R
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:43 PM
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3. kick and mark n/t
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:46 PM
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4. Outstanding Article
n/t
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:46 PM
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5. K & R
Appears we didn't learn anything from watching the Soviet Union get shredded to pieces in Afghanistan.

Our defense budget will consume our entire GDP if we don't do something. Soon.

If health insurance doesn't consume it first.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:47 PM
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6. They FEAR stopping imperialism because they are the only jobs we have
the military complex is the only area creating jobs in the public and private sector - the rest of our jobs are going to the cheapest country -

things went from the northeast, to the south, to offshore, and now to china
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abumbyanyothername Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:35 AM
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24. And the point is . . .
that the whole economic structure shifts.

Instead of trying to figure out how to force people to work, we support them because we can, having way more than enough for everyone.

We then encourage people to make a contribution to the betterment of society because they want to better society, not because they dream of getting incredibly rich by doing so.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:08 AM
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28. Wouldn't that be lovely?
/sigh

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:49 PM
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7. excellent article
Chalmers Johnson rocks!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:52 PM
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8. "Three Good Reasons to Liquidate Our Empire:..."
Definately on the edge.

Pay no attention to the clicks on the phone.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 01:56 PM
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9. It's the end of an empire sale! Everything must go!
Act now - supplies are limited!
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 02:00 PM
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10. Plus, it will put us on a more even economical footing with other
countries if we are not acting as the world's police force (that sometimes likes to rough up the locals). See how Japan and South Korea and Germany and Turkey, etc. like paying for their own navies and air forces for a while. Meanwhile we can plow the savings into R&D or something productive.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 02:09 PM
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11. Everyone is talking about concern over socialism as it relates to...

health care reform, yet we ignore the existing National (Military) Socialism that is required to maintain global empirical control. The portion of our national debt required in maintaining this is never discussed in the MSM and is often covered up.
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 02:15 PM
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12. The military is the all-time biggest welfare queen. n/t.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 02:27 PM
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13. What empire?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 02:46 PM
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14. we're so broke..and remember what that kind of economy did to the USSR..
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/the-great-global-gap-348...


The Great Debt Dichotomy

The U.S. and most of Europe are buried in mountains of debts which, even in the best of circumstances, could take many years to unwind. Brazil, India, China, and others (such as Indonesia, Malaysia, and South Korea) are not.

According to the Fed’s Flow of Funds Accounts of the United States, at the end of the first quarter, the U.S. had $6.8 trillion in Treasury debt, $8.2 trillion in government agency debt, $2.7 trillion in municipal debt, $11.6 trillion of corporate debt, $14.6 trillion in mortgage debt, $2.5 trillion in consumer debt, plus $6.5 trillion in other debts.

Grand total: $52.9 trillion, the highest in history. (To see exactly where I get these numbers, click here.)

Moreover, the U.S. government has future obligations to Social Security, Medicare, and pensions that exceed $60 trillion … while U.S. banks now hold derivatives obligations exceeding $202 trillion, according to the latest tally by the OCC.

This is a huge, unprecedented burden to every single segment of our economy:

U.S. families are buried in their mortgages and credit cards, getting forced out of their homes by the millions.

U.S. cities and states are jettisoning essential services, abandoning decades-long commitments to their citizens.

U.S. corporations are defaulting on their debts in record numbers, with worse to come.

Even the Obama administration, despite a super-majority in Congress and all the political clout it can muster, is unable to overcome a simple reality:
Washington’s finances are also in disarray.

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but don't worry seniors..while our military is all over the world and our nation is broke....you better learn to like dog food..because one thing I know for sure..food prices and the price of meds are not going down any time soon...in fact they are the highest I ever remember!!

"For the first time in more than three decades, Social Security recipients will not get any increase in their benefits next year, federal forecasts show.
The forecasts, by the Obama administration and the Congressional Budget Office, indicate that Social Security beneficiaries will not receive any cost-of-living increase in 2010 or in 2011..."If, as expected, there is no COLA in Social Security next year but premiums for drug coverage increase, as expected, millions of beneficiaries will see their Social Security checks reduced for the first time"
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 02:51 PM
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15. Agreed, time to get off the stage.
Carefully, and in an orderly fashion, but before we finally get the hook.

K&R
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 04:04 PM
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16. Johnson Tells it Like It Is - K&R
:kick:
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 07:32 PM
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17. Who would have ever thought the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics ...
was never a union, ever.

Real Americans are suckers for propaganda.
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 08:29 PM
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18. corporate
Corporations as a matter of course will spend ten billion in state funds to make one billion for themselves. That is capitalism supreme. It is our chosen way and we will follow it to the end. I hope the end is what Johnson recommends, but my TV is never going to agree to that.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 09:03 PM
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19. K&R -nt
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 11:00 PM
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20. Truth. Depressing truth. nt
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 11:26 PM
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21. new link
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:42 AM
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22. alternately, it can be found here:
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rve300 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:29 AM
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23. Dream World
The US military gets paid by Japan, Germany and most other counties that we have bases in to keep the troops where they are. It is cheaper for the Pentagon to have all the Marines in Okinawa then in California. Every time we talk about pulling troops out of Germany or South Korea the local governments throw a fit. And if you think that Taipei and Seoul would be the free cities they are today without the Marines protecting them from Okinawa then you are living in a dream world. I would not even try and count the number of lives that were saved by the US military after the volcanic eruption in the Philippines, the earth quake in Kobe, and the tsunami in Myanmar. You think the world hates us now, just wait till the next natural disaster and have the US government do nothing in response. Show all the pictures of dead and dying while we sit on our hands, yea they will love us for returning the empire. The world doesn't work that way.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:46 AM
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25. Military response to disaster is absolutely the least effective use of resources
We waste a lot of money on bases at home and abroad that have no real purpose. Naturally the people who economically depend on that want to keep the situation going. what about the problem of bankrupting ourselves in order to do that?
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:11 AM
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26. How much is the GOP paying
you to troll here?
The road to empire is paved with failed republics and our military footprint is draining the life out of our economy. Nineteen guys with box cutters did more damage to this country than the Soviet Union and China because we squander our resources on defense boondoggles.
Democracy imposed at gunpoint is imperialism.
How much do Japan and Germany pay us to occupy their territory?
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:26 AM
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27. Troll?
Show me where the poster showed aspects of trolling, other than disagreeing with the thread? I agree with your point moreso than the other rve300's point, but accusing the poster of trolling for the GOP is stupid.

Welcome to DU, rve300.
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dem mba Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:15 PM
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29. "Democracy imposed at gunpoint is imperialism. "
perhaps, but what do you think our soldiers are doing in South Korea? What would happen if North Korea invaded South Korea in this day and age? Don't you think we are serving a useful purpose of deterrant there?

As for all our other bases around the world, yea we probably don't need many of them. But the issue is that we can't forsee the next tyrant, the next civil war, the next genocide. Having mobilized forces in geographically mixed areas could save millions of lives. I would never aruge that our overseas forces are always a source of "good". They're not. But let's respect the fact that they CAN be a source of good as well.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:07 PM
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30. There is no perhaps
Democracy imposed at gunpoint is imperialism. Perhaps Obama was born on Remulak or Tralfamadore.
The fact is our military foot print is bankrupting us like military expansion has brought down every empire in History.
Much of your response is hypothetical. What if the sky should fall?
Take it from someone who has imposed "democracy" at gunpoint. It's a failed concept.
We went to Vietnam to bring democracy to South East Asia and get rid of the ruthless dictator Ho Chi Minh. Sound familiar?
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rve300 Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:59 PM
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31. No payment required
I am an American ex-pat. I am sure the GOP can find someone else to defend them. My comments were in defense of the US military.

I couldn't tell you the amount of money Japan pays for our troops. I just know that they do pay.

I would love to hear a story of when you forced someone to vote at gunpoint on behalf of the US government.

Most of my comments were not hypothetical. The eruption, quake and Tsunami all happened. No other organization on this planet could have come close to our response and results. I can tell you from personal history that the majority of the population on this planet recognize the uniform of the US military as a force for good and willingly accept our help.

As for the crime of rape that was used in the article. I was living on the island when it happened in 1995. No one was spirited away. The 3 men accused were found guilty in a local civilian court and sentenced to 18 years in a local prison. Okinawa law does not have time off for good behavior or parole. As far as I know they are still in prison to this day. I remember reading an article at the time that stated that the average life expectancy of an American in the Oki prison system was 6 years. Also, a very high ranking Naval officer lost his career because of something stupid he said about the crime. Do I believe that rape does not happen in the military? No! It does, just like in every population and demographic on this planet for the history of man kind. The statistics are not higher or lower than any where else. It is a crime and is treated as such in all corners of the US military. I find it odd that if it happens so often, the author used a crime from 14 years ago. It was dealt with in an open and honest manner with an outcome that while never able to completely heal the victim, was harsher than if they had committed the crime in the USA.

Not trying to argue or change minds here. Just trying share some facts.
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