Do you feel it cause I do....

[Aviation Pro]

...the President - you know the same guy who masterfully won the Presidency in spite of all the shit thrown at him - is patiently and yet forcefully turning the tide on the health care reform debate.

I suspect that he is going to get what he wants and sign a bill that will be placed in the same pantheon as Social Security in terms of landmark legislation. (And as a by-product say goodbye in 2010 to the Republicants and at least one Blue Dogbreath who painfully tried to protract the inevitable).

[SleeplessInAlabama]

1. I don't feel it.

But here's to having hope.

:toast:

[Laelth]

2. No. I don't feel that way at all.

But my crystal ball is notoriously flawed. Perhaps yours is better.

:dem:

-Laelth

[lamp_shade]

3. Yes. I. Do.

[rockymountaindem]

4. I can't tell if we're on the verge of winning or if everything is about to spin out of control

with the way every little development is breathlessly reported around here as the be-all-end-all of the process. The other day people were calling for pitchforks and torches after Baucus' committee said they were going to strike the public option from their version of the bill. Yesterday everybody was excited because the Blue Dogs supposedly caved, and today the progressive caucus is saying Waxman is doing a bad job.

With all this "Breaking news!!!11!1" it's a wonder we haven't all had heart attacks. I just think we're still in the sixth inning and anything can happen.

[Aviation Pro]

5. And to extend the baseball analogy further....

...the pitcher is still the President and he's throwing high heat and all you hear are the sounds of whiffing by the Republicants and the Blue Dogbreaths and the "Steeeeeeerike three, yer out!" by the umpire (that would be us, the people).

[Buns_of_Fire]

33. ...while we in the cheap seats are chanting "Beanball! Beanball! Beanball! Beanball!"

Sorry. Got carried away. :evilgrin:

[imdjh]

6. I would really like to believe that he's handling them. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. Nope, Not Feeling It.

:shrug:

[Aviation Pro]

8. Shameless kick....

...because some cowardly, asshole, Freepfuck troll decided to unrec the thread.

Hey, tough guy, try leaving a comment with your unrec. Oh wait, you're a lickspittle Republicant asshole, you don't do brave.

[noamnety]

15. K&UNr

because I couldn't find any content in the OP besides the "rah rah I have faith in my leader let's all feel the vibes" drivel. Didn't seem like the best DU has to offer.

[JuniperLea]

19. I bet that made you feel very powerful...

:eyes:

[noamnety]

22. No, it was just a routine click.

apparently a much bigger event in the OP's life than mine. But they seemed to want an explanation. :shrug:

[Aviation Pro]

20. As a project manager my feeling is based....

...on what I have to deal with on a daily basis working with a diverse set of internal customers on four continents with their cultural biases. The President on a much, much grander scale is doing exactly what I do to move a major implementation forward.

So your unrec based on your feelings is way off base.

But thanks for owning up to it.

[JuniperLea]

23. I rec'd just because that poster pissed me off...

I'm already sick of the schoolyard power plays in this regard.

[bertman]

29. We've been through this UNrec debate ad nauseum. It's now part of the DU culture

and does not require an explanation by the UNreccer, Aviation Pro. Personally, I HATE the UNrec feature, but for you to go off on the UNreccer is certainly not in the spirit that Skinner and Co. have tried to cultivate here.

I don't feel the way you do regarding President Obama's actions. I hope you're right though.

[Naturyl]

44. If a thread isn't the best, the sensible response

...Is to ignore it. Unrec is much different. It actively marks a thread as bad or unworthy.

I wish people wouldn't think every thread that is not the greatest ever needs to be unreced. Why not just ignore it?

[noamnety]

46. "It actively marks a thread as bad or unworthy. "

I was marking it as unworthy.

hero worship fluff, no substance. (see image below that the OP posted, promoting the blind faith/don't question our leader line of thought. Ick.)

[peace frog]

9. As much as I really, really want to feel it...

sadly, I do not.

[elocs]

10. No, and you feel the way you do based on exactly what?

I base my feelings on how things actually are and not how I would really, really like them to be. My guess is that as far as numbers in Congress go this will be the best there ever will be for Obama. Republicans will make gains in 2010 unless there is landmark legislation and I don't think Democrats in congress will provide landmark legislation for him to sign. Unless he draws a line in the sand and vetoes anything that is a watered down version of what he wants, then Republicans have a clear blueprint of how to keep Obama in check.

[Aviation Pro]

13. And I respectfully disagree.....

...again the President's track record on tackling hard problems is nothing short of remarkable. The salient fact of the matter is that he is the manager's manager and the leader's leader and many here - good Democrats all - still underestimate his considerable talents. This picture, used during the campaign, says it all:

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. WHO used that picture during the campaign, and for what? n/t

[Aviation Pro]

17. It was used here frequently....

....and to great effect.

[elocs]

24. Forget the pictures, the words, the promises. Show me the beef!! n/t

[Aviation Pro]

26. The beef is the patience that the President uses....

...as a sledgehammer. Over the course of the last six months he has allowed the Republicants to emasculate themselves on a number of occasions and come out stronger.

The stakes are higher but I have no doubt he will be judged the winner of the debate (and we will get reform).

[elocs]

36. We shall see, we shall see..... n/t

[trayfoot]

31. I agree with you !

[Red Knight]

28. The important thing is bi-partisanship

Health care reform is meaningless without it.

Why, I wouldn't even want it if we couldn't get a handful of Republicans on board.

Even if health care reform fails, at least we can agree that Baucus and Grassley make a cute couple. And what's wrong with that?

[Laelth]

39. You forgot the sarcasm tag.

:)

:dem:

-Laelth

[BlooInBloo]

11. I can't tell which way it's going.

[donco6]

Not even a little, sorry.

We're going to be back where we started - perhaps worse - when they drag their sorry asses back in September.

[ananda]

12. Actually, the tide is turning the other way...

nt

[foginthemorn]

14. The 'accept anything to pass a bill" will be hyped as landmark,

FDR will be cited, LBJ will be cited ---but it will be watered down Mush--delivered in 2013.

[Truth2Tell]

18. No. nt

[JuniperLea]

21. I think it's too hard to tell yet...

Too much movement, too many lies. I figure we'll have a better perspective in a month or so.

[yellerpup]

25. I feel it.

We elected a man who knows how to get things done and I believe he can and will do it. K&R!

[JimWis]

27. I feel it. I really do. I see more and more things about the public

wanting health care reform. It's just a feeling that this desire for decent health reform seems to be growing with the people. I just this minute got done watching the 53 members of this new Democrat coalition of representatives who will not vote for a reform bill that does not have a "robust public option". And they say that there are other representatives that feel as strongly as they do. And they are fighting the blue dogs. They also stated that they do not need any Republican votes to get this done.

I also sense more interest in this from friends and family. As I previously said - I sense movement in the right direction. Maybe I can't point to anything specific, but it's there.

[EFerrari]

30. Obama is one of the smartest politicians I've ever seen.

If anyone can get this done, he can.

I only hope he uses his Powers for Good. :)

[timeforpeace]

32. Being reality based makes me say no. Knowing that the first six months make or break a presidency

makes me say no. You think the world is going to remain static and Obama will have three and half more years to deal with this one issue? Everything else has been on hold but that cannot and must not last. The real world will place demands on his time and efforts and not allow him to dwell on this one issue. Reality awaits, and bites.

[tularetom]

34. Ask "President" Hillary Clinton. Ask "President" John McCain.

Is it smart to misunderestimate the political skills of Barack Hussein Obama?

[followthemoney]

35. My sails are unfurled, waiting for a breeze but...

Still feel stranded in the doldrums.

[nashville_brook]

37. file under: delusional.

[QC]

38. I feel another sellout coming on. n/t

[GeorgeGist]

40. Not at all ...

since the real debate is about how much profit the health insurance industry is willing to give up for controlling the price of healthcare.

[HughMoran]

41. I'm cautiously optimistic

It's interesting to read the posts of those who are famous for pissing in people's cornflakes, 24/7/365.

[voc]

42. not yet.n/t

[Naturyl]

43. Not feeling it, but I hope you're right.

And I hope I'm wrong.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

45. "Killing old people to better fund abortions" has me a bit worried.

But I'm hoping Americans reject that insanity. Hope springs eternal...