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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:10 PM
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Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo
Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo: ‘Yell,’ ‘Stand Up And Shout Out,’ ‘Rattle Him’
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/

This morning, Politico reported that Democratic members of Congress are increasingly being harassed by “angry, sign-carrying mobs and disruptive behavior” at local town halls. For example, in one incident, right-wing protesters surrounded Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) and forced police officers to have to escort him to his car for safety.

This growing phenomenon is often marked by violence and absurdity. Recently, right-wing demonstrators hung Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) in effigy outside of his office. Missing from the reporting of these stories is the fact that much of these protests are coordinated by public relations firms and lobbyists who have a stake in opposing President Obama’s reforms.

The lobbyist-run groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which orchestrated the anti-Obama tea parties earlier this year, are now pursuing an aggressive strategy to create an image of mass public opposition to health care and clean energy reform. A leaked memo from Bob MacGuffie, a volunteer with the FreedomWorks website Tea Party Patriots, details how members should be infiltrating town halls and harassing Democratic members of Congress:





– Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”

– Be Disruptive Early And Often: “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.”

– Try To “Rattle Him,” Not Have An Intelligent Debate: “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.”

The memo above also resembles the talking points being distributed by FreedomWorks for pushing an anti-health reform assault all summer. Patients United, a front group maintained by Americans for Prosperity, is currently busing people all over the country for more protests against Democratic members. Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chairman of the NRCC, has endorsed the strategy, telling the Politico the days of civil town halls are now “over.”

Meanwhile, AHIP, the trade group and lobbying juggernaut representing the health insurance industry is sending staffers to monitor town halls and other right-wing front groups are stepping up their ad campaign to smear reform efforts. The strategy for defeating reform — recently outlined by an influential lobbyist to the Hill newspaper as “delay” then “kill” — is becoming apparent. By delaying a vote until after the August recess, lobbyists are now seizing upon recess town halls as opportunities to ambush lawmakers and fool them into believing there is wide opposition to reform.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:14 PM
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1. They're terrorists
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:48 PM
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11. Precisely
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:10 PM
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22. Terrorists, brainwashed into believing they're Americans...
when all they are is scum.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:41 AM
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76. No they are organized hecklers
What they are doing may well encourage terrorism but calling them terrorism is a bit over the edge. I've seen demonstrators for the peace movement do this - whatever you say about them - its over the edge to call them "terrorists".

Their actions are encouraging a very dangerous faction of our society - yes. And it is almost but not quite "yelling falsely 'FIRE" in a crowed theater". This is very disturbing behavior particularly because it is coordinated but it is not in and of itself terrorism.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 09:39 AM
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83. How about Fascist Thugs (Lite)?
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:30 AM
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89. It's an extension of the corporate media's willful misrepresentation of public opinion
Edited on Sat Aug-01-09 10:34 AM by BREMPRO
it's a familiar trick, and manipulative and dangerous to the democratic process. The problem seems to be that the right doesn't have the majority, but they have the corporate money, positions of power, corporate network media, political experts, religious organizations, and fanatic committed followers to twist perceptions to the point that they appear to represent a large portion of public opinion. The good thing is that they don't have demographics on their side, and most Americans and Congressional Democrats/Independents are aware of these tactics and woken up to their "tyranny of the minority"
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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 11:24 PM
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100. Papers Will Report This Crap! Nuth'n New REally, Russell Had To Deal W/ Thsi Crap
Same tactics in Fla in '06 and '08 vs scumbag puppet Ginny Brown-Waite! Nuth'New! Papers will write ANYTHING!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 01:28 PM
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96. Actually they are... morons.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:14 PM
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2. K&R
Know thy enemy.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:15 PM
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3. Things are getting ugly. "Try to rattle him, not have an intelligent debate."
I have no problem with dissent, but it's sad that people want to block a constructive conversation on an issue that is literally a life or death situation for many Americans.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:18 PM
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5. That's the modern day neocon movement in a nutshell.
Intimidate your opponent, keeping him on the ropes. Be relentless about stifling any kind of debate.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 05:54 PM
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19. Sad, but totally predictable. Republicans are never about intelligent debate.
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 05:54 PM by redqueen
Probably due to reality having that liberal bias and all...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:29 AM
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70. That's beause they know they can never win a full and fair debate
Edited on Sat Aug-01-09 06:29 AM by depakid
One that, like, uses actual facts and honest analysis.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:02 AM
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86. they have to tell the pubs to not have an 'intelligent debate?' not to worry
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:16 PM
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4. And heckling anyone supporting health care reform. Could this be part of it.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:20 PM
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6. unfortunately, Americans for the Prosperous does have grass roots members
as does the "Americans for the UnFairTax cut for rich people". 'Useful idiots' are not in short supply.

I have seen it suggested on DU that we 'bird-dog' recalcitrant Reps, so this type of strategery is not unique to Republicans. I didn't really care for it then. It seems to me a way for a passionate minority (or in this case, a well-funded one) to make themselves obnoxious enough to get the Representative to cave to their demands.

Something we could counter, perhaps, with letters of support.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:45 PM
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10. "this type of strategery is not unique to Republicans"
I don't think there are many progressive protests that are paid for by corporate interests.

Yes, letters of support will certainly do the job. :sarcasm:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:56 PM
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30. Nothing is like a frothing rabid drooling
republicon hatefest..just ask those who monitored mccain-palin rallies.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:21 PM
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7. .... and..... who will get arrested?????.........
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:32 PM
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8. Maybe, since they all love
law and order so much, the police should be ready to taser their fat asses and throw them in jail when they start screaming. I would say that qualifies as disturbing the peace.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:39 PM
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9. They had better watch out. I seem to remember a heckler getting
tazered in FL.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:50 PM
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12. And they're slapping themselves on the back because our reps are cancelling meetings.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:34 AM
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91. I left a message at Tim Bishop's local office, urging him to
reschedule town hall meetings, and just checking people driver's licenses at the door to make sure they're constituents.
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:56 PM
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13. I'd give the disruptor the mike and let them talk. The majority in the hall would boo them I think
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:14 PM
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14. +1
:thumbsup:
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:49 PM
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15. Have long opined on this board/even wrote Al Gore in the fall of 2000, that Dems are going to
continue to get their asses tromped until they are willing to use every dirty trick 'pukes use. Al of course, did not take this unsolicited, and maybe bum, advice, but we all know what has since transpired: I will continue to beseech all Dems to pull out all stops to not let 'pukes use dirty tricks they are unwilling to use in turn or Dems will continue to get the shit kicked out of them, 'cause this is a total war that is being waged on our country, its Constitution, its institutions, and its people. :P
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:10 AM
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46. I think you are right
If we stay on the high ground and do not react to this they will win again.
We have to start getting in there face and not allow them to control the agenda with this kind of tactic. And I fear that by the time we wise up to it it will all be over.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:03 AM
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63. I have repeated the same.
This is total war. Watch the M$M cover *these* protests while they ignored others.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 05:15 PM
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16. Is it sedition yet? These people are slowly fomenting a second civil war. nt
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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 05:37 PM
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17. Has anyone forwarded this to congressional Dems? They need to have a heads-up.
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Dakota Flint Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 05:52 PM
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18. History repeats
These tactics were used before by a minority political party during the 1920's and early 30's. Right wing radical thugs were used to break up opponents meetings and rally's. The place was Germany and the thugs were known as NSDAP or the National Socialist German Workers Party---Nazis.
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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:17 PM
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23. Brown Shirts Rise Again
Amen!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:56 PM
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27. Having left off with the GOP fascist rally at Miami-Dade Election HQs to stop
the vote counting . . .

There's only one way these people come to power -- assassinations and Diebold voting --

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:06 AM
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64. That is when it started.
If we allow this to snowball not only will we not get healthcare reform but the newly elected GOP will do away with social security and medicare. They could blame it on Obama - for bankrupting the country.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:41 PM
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42. Silver Shirts
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:52 AM
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77. I agree with your comparison
to the early Nazi party.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 05:55 PM
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20. It is the old Atwater/Rove bag of tricks
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 05:57 PM
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21. K&R... I wonder if the M$M will bother mentioning this
in any of their many articles about the riot-like town hall meetings.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:23 PM
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24. Okay, the FIRST thing these Congresscritters should do is have someone checking IDs at the door.
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 06:25 PM by scarletwoman
Only photo IDs accepted. If you can't prove that you actually live in that Representative's district, then you don't get in to the Town Hall.

Right then and there you put an end to bussed-in disrupters. Besides, Repukes are big on IDs and documentation, so how could they object? :evilgrin:

The second and vitally important thing these Congresscritters should be doing is to make sure they make contact with their voting base to invite them to the Town Hall.

If you've ever worked a phone bank for a political campaign, you know that every district has a list of likely Democratic voters -- they should be using these lists to get invitations out to those who are most likely to be a supportive presence.

All genuine Democratic constituents should take it upon themselves to make sure they show up. That means YOU. Your warm body is needed for this battle, don't sit it out at home complaining about right wingers on your computer -- get out there in meatspace and actually FIGHT.

sw


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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:30 AM
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57. We're thinking along the same lines
But I'd take it one step further: only those invited get in. Just like the Bush rallies, 'member?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 01:10 AM
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60. Make them show certified long-form Birth Certificates
:evilgrin:
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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 09:56 AM
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85. Yup, our warm bodies are needed for this battle
You were incredibly eloquent when you said, "...All genuine Democratic constituents should take it upon themselves to make sure they show up. That means YOU. Your warm body is needed for this battle, don't sit it out at home complaining about right wingers on your computer -- get out there in meatspace and actually FIGHT..."

I'll be calling people in my precinct from old lists I have and I'll be calling every Dem friend I can think of to show up for my new Dem US Rep Harry Teague.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:49 PM
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25. I guess they have to make some money somehow...
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 06:51 PM by SemperEadem
and being pimped by lobbyists to act like terrorists is about at their pay scale.

but wait until the script get flipped at this starts happening to thug candidates--then they will be crying "that's not fair!!!"
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:53 PM
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26. This is another post that needs a GOLD STAR ---
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:51 PM
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28. The places these kinds of dirty tactics are leading the GOP to are downright scary
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 07:52 PM by ShadowLiberal
Seriously, if these harassment tactics don't work out well enough for the increasingly partisan and desperate GOP just how much worse can they get before they resort to physical violence?

GOP congressmen have already made it a habit after 2008 to try to embarrass and harass any freshmen democrats in the house when they go to speak and then put the videos on youtube, which caused democrats to schedule required classes for freshmen congressmen to take for how to fight back against those kinds of tactics.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:53 PM
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29. Ugly fucking assholes..need to
arrested and put on trail for inciting riots.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 08:06 PM
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31. Repubs always talk about "Union thugs"....
Where are the "union thugs" to go into these town hall meetings and kick some pencil-necked neocon ass? Teamsters perhaps.

Oh..... yeah.... I almost forgot....the unions have been all but killed off.

Never mind....
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 09:19 AM
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80. Remember the Teamsters backed Bush*
The Teamsters are traitors that can not be trusted. When they built their new Union Hall in Houston Tx in 2000 they used scab labor and actually bragged aboiut it.. Fuck the Teamsters..
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 09:26 AM
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82. Like I say... the unions have been killed off...
and I'll add what you said. Killed off or co-opted.

The teamsters and a lot of other unions have forgotten which party... and which people... are really on their side.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 08:09 PM
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32. Information is power!
At the same time, I wonder if we shouldn't learn from their techniques.

On one hand, I am inspired by the Knoxville Clowns who totally discredited the KKK by exposing their stupidity.

On the other hand, because RW tactics have been so effective in the past, I am also thinking of the philosphy "They send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of their's to the morgue".

I refuse to resort to the low-life tactics that the RW employs, because it runs against all the basic philosophies of Truth and Honor that our Country was built upon.

Then again, I think we could learn from some of their distribution techniques.

It's a fine line.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 08:42 PM
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33. Well maybe more of us need to start showing up at these events
and stand them down...they only do it because they can. This is what the Repugs have become and the RNC supports this bullshit.

When a Congressman is hurt or even worse will we be allowed to call it terrorism. This is moving beyond free speech.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:26 PM
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40. You are right
There were about 200 of them in Raleigh when the President cane this week. They spread themselves out, and acted according to the instructions in the memo. I suspect most of them were from outside the Triangle, and some from outside the state. They took their marching orders from some right wing organizers. I wish I had had a camera.

We could easily have outnumbered them, but no one planned on it. Local activists need to be ready to mobilize for all of these sorts of events.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:42 AM
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58. Problem is....
Their purpose is to derail the town meeting. If we shout these people down, or confront them, or kick their asses... it's all the same. The meeting is busted up.

The fucking Barbarians don't want civilization.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 11:14 PM
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99. I'm just talking about what went on outside
If folks were not to know any better, they might think these jerks were in the majority, driving around all you could see were protesters with crazy signs. If we were to show up with only 1,000 people, with bigger and better signs, with correct spelling, punctuation and grammar, it would go a long way toward showing that these folks are goons and buffoons.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 06:20 PM
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102. Good point. n/t
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:14 AM
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50. Where are are activist when we need them n/t
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 09:38 PM
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34. Rachel? Keith? You out there? nt knr
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 10:38 PM
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37. Richard Wolffe subbing for KO on Countdown covered it tonight
They are bussing in these disruptors as well. Maybe House reps should only admit people from their districts. Though that won't stop the creeps.

And we need to show up for the town halls. If they continue this crap we need to show up in force at Repub town halls.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:05 AM
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45. thx..nt
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 10:23 PM
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35. Despicable and desperate
Why is this not front and center on the media exposing their tactics?


I can tell you, it is because the right wing media is in collusion with this bunch of criminals.
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tooeyeten Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 10:29 PM
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36. disgusting
What a bunch of dummies, not realizing they're working against their own interests.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 10:57 PM
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38. If dems had any balls we'd organize and protest
But we don't. The easy part was winning some elections. The hard part is to make it matter. In case no one has noticed, republicans make the most noise so they get the most attention. They still control the agenda. The first people Obama met with post election were republican press monkeys. Its been all bipartisan mushy talk since then. We would do well to get off of our butts on occasion.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:04 PM
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39. Isn't conspiracy to commit "disorderly conduct" a crime?
Oh wait, that's only if you are a liberal, a black, a hippie, or ....
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:27 PM
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41. What about the free speech zones?
That's what Bush did.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:46 PM
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43. America, meet the BROWNSHIRTS.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:11 AM
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65. That's the playbook.
That is exactly where they got it from. And their goal is fascism. We are so close to a total meltdown it is not even funny. These nutters are armed to the teeth.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 11:54 PM
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44. How many of their memos are getting leaked?
This seems to happen a lot lately ... not too smart, are they?
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:12 AM
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47. "Try To “Rattle Him,” Not Have An Intelligent Debate"
Isn't that what they've been doing the past 30 years?

:crazy:
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:12 AM
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48. inciting riots and violence as a means to influence policy can only be countered with same
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:13 AM
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49. Maybe progressives could take bags of chewing gum and throw them in the path of these hecklers.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:14 AM
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52. If they stnd up and shout out, turn around and vomit on them offering immediate apologies for having
the swine flu.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:16 AM
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53. If drinks are allowed spill your drink on those shouting the dem down..
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:16 AM
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54. Shjoot silly string on them.They want to shut it down by intimidation anway
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:14 AM
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51. I'm curious as to why none of these groups seem to be infiltrated by the law like peace groups are?
Edited on Sat Aug-01-09 12:15 AM by devilgrrl
Does anyone else notice that?
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:20 AM
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56. Maybe because they didn't think it would go this far..
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 01:10 AM
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61. This far? How far did lefties go during the Bush Crime Family years?
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:16 AM
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67. But now we must look forward. nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 04:13 AM
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66. It just isn't fun to ponder.
But the truth is our society worships war.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:20 AM
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55. Ironically, Many Liberals Simply Blame President Obama's Media Strategy
This is not a matter of some clever strategy. Instead, what we are talking about terrorist tactics designed to block healthcare that is organized by astroturf groups protecting the healthcare industry.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 01:06 AM
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59. DO NOT LET THEM INTIMIDATE YOU!! YOU HAVE TO STAND UP TO THEM.
they will not cause any physical harm, they are all hot air and cowards; are they really dumb enough to harm someone in a room full of witnesses?

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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 02:57 AM
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62. This could get dangerous...
...I know if I were attending one of these and a (some) hecklers were to attempt to disrupt the process, given what we know about their orchestrated effort, then somebody's gonna have to get their ass whipped. It might be me, but not before some faces are 'effed' up. Goons and thugs need to be shown that their intimidation tactics can blow up in their faces...kinda like the scene from 'O Brother Where Art Thou?', where they rode the KlanMan out on a rail - but only after pelting him with cabbages and tomatoes.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:06 AM
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68. And even with this disclosure
the Dems will fall for it.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:27 AM
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69. Homeland Security informed about this?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:29 AM
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71. I sure as hell hope that copies of this were passed out to EVERY REP
These townhall meeting should be constituent ONLY
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 06:34 AM
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72. I'm not violent but:
Some people just need a good beating.
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:14 AM
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73. We are on a slippery slope
It frightens me to see where this is headed. Just a matter of time before some nutjob explodes into violence.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:34 AM
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74. Simply put, "This is all they got folks." Pathetic Morans. Makes you want to cry for them cuz
of their extreme deficiency of any sort of intellectual foundation. Poor things, ..... no brains, no valid arguments, nothing positive to offer, soooo sad...

Damn, Damn Damn, keyboard just got spewed with elephant tears :rofl: tears for the Dumbos :rofl:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:37 AM
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75. Sounds like Glen Beck's Watchdog strategy.
He's trying to get everyone to stay on high alert and watch everyone.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 08:08 AM
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78. "Revolution from above" tactics - when is the MSM going to pick up on this?
Expose it for what it is -- subversion of democracy by monied interests -- and it will backfire.

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Syntheto Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 08:15 AM
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79. ...Er, doesn't Code Pink do similar things?
...You can't have it both ways.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:03 AM
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87. code pink is not schooled by the DNC. it's not both ways freep.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 09:20 AM
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81. Well, hopefully, now that we know..............
We'll be ready for them, right?
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 09:41 AM
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84. Why don't WE go to every Pub town meeting & ask politely if they support the disruptors?
Specifically mention this memo. I emphasize "politely" since we don't want to escalate the violence, & they'll welcome an opportunity to do that. We just want to shed light on it & make each & every one of them answer to this publicly. Maybe we can raise the awareness of this tactic. The press us usually present at these functions. Letters to the editor won't hurt either.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:33 AM
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90. Great Idea! If we could only get a DUer to a meeting- like herding cats..n/t..
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:28 AM
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88. when are the clueless going to understand
that their phony grassroots teabag protests were "engineered" by political and corporate (MSM) networking. There's no grassroots about it. Now public relations corps. are manipulating again like they did when they sold us both Iraq wars and the 2000 election theft. "Paid, partisan" protestors or thugs that the MSM gladly gives air time. I didn't see the MSM telling the masses that there were going to be mass anti-war protests, giving locations so you could join in, but thousands attended through a grassroots movement. Yet, the MSM gladly announced locations where you could attend teabagging protests. One must wonder, why? Maybe, because it's orchestrated by certain corporations and the Repukes, whom the media gladly serves.

So now it seems, we got the bullying thugs again like in Florida-probably paid for by public relations firms that have been hired by the insurance greedfekkinheads. Unbelievable!!! How many people are going to eat this shite up, not knowing that again, they're being manipulated.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 10:47 AM
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92. They did it to Sen. Macaskill last week and reported back to FOX...
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 11:59 AM
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93. These are republican corporate fascist leading their brain-dead sheep to do the dirty work.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 12:40 PM
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94. Fight fire with fire
the problem with Dems is that we take it. We're always "above" such tactics. I think that we should be doing the same (in our own way) to demand single payer universal healthcare, withdrawal from Iraq, action on climate change, less funding for wars, more for education and social programs, GLBT rights, etc.
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Stumbler Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 01:22 PM
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95. I agree
While I side with Libs and Dems on most policy issues, I get infuriated when our "representatives" fail to fight. Even when we know our solutions are better than existing programs, and when we have evidence to support it, we find ourselves "willing to listen" to the other side. And all too often now, the right wing offers nothing but stall, obstruct, confuse and scare-tactics, and in our willingness to listen, we end up in a circular-firing-squad. It'd be nice if we could get our supporters to walk in lock-step with each other to the degree the right-wing does.

But of course, despite that being our greatest weakness, it's also what makes us great in the first place. Our willingness to hear other opinions allows us to come to our better solutions. Damn catch-22...
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 01:59 PM
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97. Would this be a "media" story if this were a Democratic memo?
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pbrower2a Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 02:05 PM
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98. Expose the techniques!
1. Don't be afraid to ask people where they are from. A town hall in Columbus, Indiana isn't intended to be for people from Columbus, Ohio. Liars may give a local location, but most likely they will hesitate. Honest people give a swift, crisp answer to the question. "Where are you from?"

2. Be wary of vehicles that bus people in from out of town. Why should a church bus from Grand Rapids be at a town hall in Lansing? Several vehicles with out-of-state license plates that carry people all of the same age or gender should be suspicious, especially if they have hostile bumper stickers (let's say "Bush/Cheney '04" or "W") and park together if a Democrat holds the town hall. (Out-of-state plates may indicate someone new to town or a rental vehicle).

3. Acknowledge the presence of out-of-town "guests", but don't respond to hecklers.

4. Don't discuss issues that have been resolved by a ruling of the Supreme Court - like abortion or the Second Amendment.

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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-02-09 12:23 AM
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101. Use the Bush/Cheney Patriot Act on these repukes.
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greengestalt Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 03:23 AM
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103. The parasite and the Toady
I hold that there is the "Parasite" who by which I mean the "King" the "Robber Baron" the "Corporate Raider" the "Corrupt Official" the "Money Lender", etc. He has hurt and taken from his fellow man ever since we have had civilization. Before civilization, these types usually perished. They would get themselves killed or banished from the tribes they lived in for bullying others or constantly taking too much for themselves. Only with the advent of civilization did these types get to entrench themselves.


But worse than the parasite is the "Toady". Without the toady, the parasite would be almost as limited as when he would try to take over a tribe and rule for his own pleasure. He'd need some "Lieutenants", "Ministers", etc. to help him out, but he couldn't have as many as he truly needed to rule by force. Each additional strong man demands some share of wealth and power. Too many and the parasite might as well be an "Honest Ruler".


The Toady has been there for the parasite from the beginning. The Toady is the person who works for the parasite without demanding an immediate reward. Most hope if they can suck up enough, they'll get the position of "Lieutenant" or maybe a shot at becoming the/a parasite themselves. A few just are stupid enough to believe the parasite's lies... These dreams rarely take fruit, they often are benefited the least by the parasite but still support them the most, even if they take the blame when the system collapses and the parasite runs.


Few better examples exist than the non-millionaire "NeoCONS" who still support Dubya even though he and his cronies ran with money laughing. And they actually believe all the lies said about Obama, some have committed murder.





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