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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:35 PM
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Obama’s Economic Recovery Plan Already Created, Saved 720,000 Jobs
Source: AFL-CIO

President Obama’s economic recovery package created or saved some 720,000 jobs in the second quarter, according to an analysis by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). Although the economy continued to shrink, the effect would have been much worse without the recovery act, says EPI economist Josh Bivens.

The Commerce Department is expected to announce tomorrow that the nation’s gross domestic product (GDP) dropped by about 1.5 percent in the second quarter, one-fourth the rate in the first three months of the year. Without the recovery legislation, the rate would have been around 4.5 percent, Bivens says. That translates into about 720,000 jobs, he adds.


The personal tax cuts and the one-time payment to Social Security recipients in the recovery package can be expected to raise disposable personal incomes by roughly $37 billion, which should increase consumer spending, Bivens says. Also, state and local governments received $31 billion more to spend on essential services than they would have without the legislation.

Read more: http://blog.aflcio.org/2009/07/30/obamas-economic-recovery-plan-already-created-saved-720000-jobs/
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:40 PM
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1. Wrong. Unemployment has gone from 6.8% in Nov to 9.5% today.
That's jobs destroyed, not jobs created. It's certainly not below 8% like Obama promised.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:45 PM
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2. Try again.
That's 9.5 today compared to the 13% it WOULD have been.

Nobody's saying it's good - but that it would have been MUCH worse.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:47 PM
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3. Damn, now you want me to think about hypotheticals?
My brain hurts!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:27 PM
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23. Business models and financial forecasts are ALL hypotheticals...
Without hypotheticals, this conversation means nothing.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:17 PM
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9. Wrong. Obama, who I trust, told us we would peak at 9% UE without the stimulus
So, if you take from that, this stimulus created .5% higher unemployment than he said we would have without it.

:)
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:07 PM
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16. Yeah, but spinning it to look like good news is pathetic.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:02 PM
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29. The idea that this is spin only holds up if you stop reading before the
second sentence in the article.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:48 PM
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4. Read the frigging OP. It would have been much worse. nt
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:51 PM
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5. You sound just like a conversation I had on Twitter with Karl Rove.
Exact same conversation.

Apparantely, hundreds of thousands of saved/new jobs isn't enough for some.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:58 PM
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6. It would have been a lot worse if not for Obama's actions.
You need remedial reading.
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yodoobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:42 PM
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Don't use this good news to Bash Obama
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 02:43 PM by yodoobo
If it weren't for Obama's plans, unemployment would probably be around %20 to %25 by now.

Like it or not, Obama saved us all from total economic destruction.

We should all be thanking him, not sitting around grumbling.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:46 PM
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26. Without Obama, it would be 12.5%
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 02:47 PM by jpak
The stimulus is working

too bad

:D
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followthemoney Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:23 PM
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34. I have actually written a few posts on DU that have created...
300,000 jobs. Who knows how bad things would be right now if it weren't for my efforts? You see, although my ideas are shared by only a small number of people their effect is like that of a butterfly flapping its wings in Peking. Mandelbrot makes good efforts to explain this effect.

Oh, you skeptics! Prove me wrong or fall on your knees in worship of me.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:03 PM
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7. do`t mean shit to those folks around here
two manufacturing plants closed within the month leaving almost 400 people with no chance of finding another job in years.

the 250 check i got went to paying the electricity. personal income reduction was eat up by tax and insurance increases.


what is the saying...you can fool people some of the time.....
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:04 PM
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8. Oh boy I be the republicans are glad they put partisan politics aside to get on board
:)
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mule_train Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:20 PM
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10. Good news for India nt
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:23 PM
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11. There will be plenty new jobs guarding republican criminals!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:44 PM
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12. yeah right
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 01:55 PM
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13. wow this will be a winning slogan for re-election:
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 01:56 PM by twitomy
"Things suck but it could be much WORSE!"

How the hell does one calculate how many jobs were "saved"?

My job wasnt "saved". Been out of work since May and I have my first face to face interview next week....And I am supposedly in the hi-tech field, you know, "jobs of the future"...
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iandhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:00 PM
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14. I am sorry your out of work
But the point I was trying to make was that thing would have been worse with out the recovery act. Good luck at your job interview
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:52 PM
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27. Well I cant argue the fact that govt spending DOES
stimulate the economy, But we got some serious fundamental economic issues that cant be addressed by simply more debt spending. Jobs leaving, stagnant wages, exploding medical and education costs,
IMHO the middle class is getting squeezed into non-existance and its been going on as long as I can remember. I hope Congress/Pres can come up with a solution for the healthcare issue; but being the cynic towards politicians, Im afraid we are going to get a real piece of shit plan.

Just yesterday took my 3 kids to the Dentist for check up, cleaning. We are now on my wifes dental plan as she is now working full time in lieu of me working. Dentist wont take the new dental plan..
Too much payment bullshit from the insurerer (United Concordia). So I would have to pay over $345 to get the kids done. Had to walk out. Just dont have that $$ to spend right now.

Thanks on the job wishes...Spending too much time here! LOL!
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:07 PM
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15. I think the point is that this President actually tried to do something.
After eight years of criminal plutocracy and total indifference to the plight of Americans with less-than-six-figure incomes, someone actually tried to stop the downward spiral.

Thank you, President Obama, for having the courage and the intellect to begin addressing the problems that were ignored for the entire first three quarters of this decade. You actually did something, which is more than I can say for your predecessors.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:11 PM
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17. How do you measure "saved" jobs?
This is pure bullshit.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:06 PM
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30. By looking at where the stimulus money has gone so far, and seeing
what jobs/industries were on the verge of collapse and DIDN'T because of the infusion of funds.

It's not rocket science.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:06 PM
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31. Well, if stimulus money went to a company, thus preventing planned layoffs
I guess that could count as a "saved job."

I've kept my job, but I don't think I should be count as a "stimulus save."
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Truth Talks Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:16 PM
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18. I'm so impressed - NOT.
What KIND of jobs has Obama created - stable, long-term (and hopefully full-time) jobs, or jobs that will only last as long as they're being held afloat by stimulus dollars?

Speaking of which, how can anyone hope to fix an economy by ignoring the problems that threw it into crisis mode? What's Obama done about deregulation, job outsourcing and similar problems? He obviously adores corporate welfare. He's also a big fan of packing his administration with corporate thugs.

So pardon me if I take this "news" with a big grain of salt.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:19 PM
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19. The AFL-CIO blog is NOT a news source
Please follow LBN rules. Alerted.
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Truth Talks Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:24 PM
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21. Amen
If the AFL-CIO is anything like the Teamsters or National Education Association, it isn't even a union.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:27 PM
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22. That's neither here nor there with respect to my point
And if we were talking in a bar, I'd walk away as soon as you started spouting your anti-union bullshit.
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Truth Talks Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:40 PM
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24. Anti-Union? Yeah, right.
First, my post is absolutely relevant. The key word is CREDIBILITY.

And your "anti-union" crap is just a cheap form of propaganda. I regard government and unions both as necessary evils. I will support GOOD government and GOOD unions. When they're corrupt, I go on the warpath.

And if you want to continue with your "anti-union bullshit" bullshit, I'd suggest you do a little homework. Surely you can't believe that ALL unions are on the level.

Have a nice day.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:06 PM
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32. This is the part of the story
where I've already found your pseudo-libertarian nonsense odious and infantile, and unworthy of further attention. Buh-bye now.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:09 PM
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33. "If the AFL-CIO is anything like the Teamsters or National Education Association,
it isn't even a union."

A statement like this indicates you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:23 PM
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20. It's like housework...
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 02:24 PM by JuniperLea
You don't see what was done, only what wasn't.

People don't understand how close to the abyss we came. Pathetic how short-sighted even so-called progressives and liberals are.
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Truth Talks Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:42 PM
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25. What abyss?
We've been close to the abyss for a long time. A growing number of people are coming to believe that the eventual "recovery" may be the abyss. It's like the person who dies and wakes up in a very comfortable room watching an incredibly boring slide show. They discover they're in Hell.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 02:58 PM
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28. Those are some expensive jobs.
$700B plan. 18% has been spent = $126B. It saved or created 720,000 jobs.

That's $175,000 per job.

Hey Obama give me $175,000 and someone can have my job.
I'll travel for next couple years while the economy recovers.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:34 PM
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35. .
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 03:41 PM by SammyWinstonJack
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:39 PM
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36. Yes, hyperinflation is wonderful
:wow:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:40 PM
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37. .
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 03:41 PM by SammyWinstonJack
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followthemoney Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 03:42 PM
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38. The good news is...
"President Obama’s economic recovery package created or saved some 720,000 jobs in the second quarter, according to an analysis by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI)."

Unfortunately, the bad news is: the new jobs were created in CHINA.
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