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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:13 PM
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Health insurance for seniors. Need honest answers, please.
Are any of the options going to reduce coverge that seniors already have through Medicare?

After reading the following article, I'm getting very concerned. I already pay for extra supplements for my parents who are in their 80's and in a few years, I'll be looking at these extra costs for myself too.



Seniors uneasy over Medicare cuts in overhaul

WASHINGTON – Democrats are pushing for Medicare cuts on a scale not seen in years to underwrite health care for all. Many seniors now covered under the program don't like that one bit.

Seeing a political opportunity, Republicans have accused President Barack Obama of trying to use Medicare as a piggy bank to finance his top domestic priority — putting the president on the defensive on a highly sensitive issue.

At an AARP town hall meeting earlier this week, Obama went out of his way to address "a misperception" that the Democratic bills in Congress would cut medical benefits for the elderly.

"Nobody is talking about reducing Medicare benefits," Obama said. "Medicare benefits are there because people contributed into a system. It works. We don't want to change it. What we do want is to eliminate some of the waste that is being paid for out of the Medicare trust fund that could be used more effectively to cover more people and to strengthen the system."

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090730/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul_medicare


I want to trust what President Obama says.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:16 PM
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1. I think you need to listen to Obama
Edited on Fri Jul-31-09 06:17 PM by Warpy
Your Medigap insurance might change and it might not, depending on whether there is a public option for that and you choose it.

There was a vote yesterday on an amendment to eliminate Medicare, an attempt to shame GOPs into admitting a public insurance plan is efficient and effective. Not a single GOP dared to vote in favor of it.

Medicare was under much more serious attack when GOPs ran the show.

Ignore the fearmongering. The people doing it are not your friends.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:37 PM
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6. Medicare for all, then
with the option to buy additional coverage. How can the GOP argue with that?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:12 PM
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13. How?
SCREECH! SOCIALSIM! SCREECH! UNDESERVING POOR! SCREECH! HIGHER TAXES! SCREECH! UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS! SCREECH! THE SKY IS FALLING!

That's how.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:30 PM
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16. That's the same "argument" they use for everything.
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:16 PM
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2. do you think seniors would have been better off with only private insurance?
why wouldnt you trust him?
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:29 PM
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4. Right now seniors have Medicare. I don't want that to be reduced.
Do you think there is a chance that seniors will loose Medicare and have no insurance unless they can afford private? As far as trusting in President Obama, this is what the artice said:

Obama and the Democrats say the cuts are needed to curb wasteful spending fattening the budgets of Medicare managed care plans, hospitals and other providers. Indeed, experts at the Health and Human Services Department estimate that the House bill would extend the solvency of Medicare's giant hospitalization trust fund by five years, from 2017 to 2022.

An analysis for the Kaiser Family Foundation found that private insurance plans operating through Medicare would bear 32 percent of the overall cuts, while another 37 percent would be distributed among hospitals and other service providers. But that's not what seniors seem to be hearing.

"I believe they are hearing that their benefits are going to be really restricted," said Robert Blendon, a professor at the Harvard School of Public Health, who follows public opinion on health care issues. "If that's the case, it will really cause some problems for lawmakers over the summer because seniors are the most politically responsive group, and they're the ones who on a day-to-day basis confront ill health and medical expenses."

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., says Republicans are distorting the facts on a complex issue. "Medicare is going to be available for seniors — at the levels they need," he said.



Are they going to reconsider what seniors "need"?


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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 08:57 PM
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17. That article clearly states the opposite though?
I don't want anyones benefits reduced, especially our elderly and retired. Let me be clear on that.

But yes, there probably are inefficiencies in the system that can be cut. I dont know specifics, but I wouldnt assume that it will come at patient's expense. It's the insurers and providers that are taking out more than they deserve, at the expense of the seniors that rely on the system for care.

What about this sentence? Why isnt this getting through?

An analysis for the Kaiser Family Foundation found that private insurance plans operating through Medicare would bear 32 percent of the overall cuts, while another 37 percent would be distributed among hospitals and other service providers. But that's not what seniors seem to be hearing.

I understand your concerns though. This is a tricky issue people are trying to fix, despite the country having zero education about the system for the past five years.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:22 PM
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3. The amt needed for funding medicare should come down with healthcare reform.
Currently, in regards to spending, we spend twice as much as other developed countries and do not guarante healthcare as a right. If the overhaul in takes place, there should be savings to the program, and less money will need to be allocated towards Seniors. Hopefully, with a Strong PUblic option, in a few years, these ins. co's will be obsolete and everyone will be on a medicare type of system. Wish we could just jump there now, however, the Congresscritters have sold us out for their 30 pieces of silver.. so, baby steps and hopefully better congresscritters.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:45 PM
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9. Thank you for presenting the big picture.
Wait. Watch. Hope for the best.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:19 PM
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15. I think it takes a that thing called analytical and critical thinking.
The idea with reform is to find saving costs... in the meanwhile insuring more within a pool. Easiest way would be medicare for all with options of buying private insurance on the side.. If they were smart they'd accept this option and let the main healthcare be provided by the govt.

If I was an insurance co, I would want to offer a supplemental ins... Say for $50.00 extra a month or $100.00/ month for family, I'd offer supplemental ins in case a medical emergency took you out of work.. to pay an amt while you were out of work (kind of like Aflac does for certain types of criterias, but for a anytime of ailment that takes you out).. For another plan I'd offer supplementals.. payment options for drug coverage that may not be covered by medicare or co-pay coverage for dr. visits.. I'd come up with unique insurance coverage plans that people would buy extra to cover things that may come up in life. Covering healthcare is just stupid for the ins. co's to continue with.. they will always have to bottom-line and deny coverage. Much better to be supplemental where many will pay, and barely ever use. I've had my accident coverage for 5yrs, I've never used it.. but if I am in an accident, I get paid while in the hospital or out of work..
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:36 PM
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5. There is so much when it comes to medicare to worry about =
When my mother-in-law ended up going into a nursing home they were pretty good. She also had TRICARE witch is a program for retired military and their families. She was able to use both. Funny both programs are socialized medicine. My husband and I have TRICARE Primary as our primary insurance company which is given by the military for their retirees. Its been very good for us so far. My husband and I have been have some serious medical prombles.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 03:56 AM
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18. I'm glad to hear that military retirees have TRICARE.
It's the least that our country can do for those who served in the military.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:09 AM
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19. Except that here, military AF retirees are leading the "teabagging,"
"Obama is a Socialist," and anti-health care reform movements. They have jumped head first into the birther movement. They have begun to bring notice to themselves. Everyone does not agree with their 50% retirement pay after 20 years of work, their guaranteed health care, their taxpayer subsidized cigarettes, booze, groceries, clothing, and household goods.

Right now, the rumblings about the "privilege" military retirement class are rumblings under the radar, but I am hearing "pigs at the trough" from more of the civilian workforce, especially as jobs become scarcer and scarcer.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:38 PM
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7. You need to trust President Obama. The plan he has on the table will be far better.
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:45 PM
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8. Don't worry...
AP originated that story. They became a bastion of conservatism under Bush and pushed the Republican agenda hard. They are still doing it. That article has an slant, and it is to scare you into not supporting health care with a public option.

I have medicare and I am not worried. The main quotes in that article come from a bunch of conservative hacks who are in thrall to the health insurance companies and who have been trying to discredit Obama on just about every issue he supports. This is no different except that the insurance companies who are paying for the scare campaign are tying to make it look like a legitimate news story instead of a commercial.

Call the office of your congressperson and ask a staffer the question you posed here. Make your views known and ask them what they are going to do about this to protect seniors and retain your vote and the votes of your parents. It will help more than you realize. If you can, call the Washington DC office. Calls there seem to carry more weight.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 06:50 PM
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10. The fight will be endless for proper Medicare funding and fair reimbursement to providers.
Even if we got Medicare for All today in the form of single payer universal coverage, it wouldn't mean a damn thing if it isn't properly funded.

Likewise, health care financing reform can be killed completely, and the fight for proper funding of the existing Medicare program will be ongoing and perpetual.

Remember what Grover Norquist said about gradually pinching off funding for social spending until they wither on the vine? This is a continual struggle with mindsets such as his.

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Allyoop Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:00 PM
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11. Medicare
You can trust that Obama does not want to make any changes in Medicare that would reduce any of the services we get now. He's talking about stopping Medicare Advantage which costs more than regular Medicare and (as far as I know) doesn't improve health care service for us old farts. One thing he is pushing for is lowering the cost of medications and plugging the "donut hole".

So someone from the Repuglican side is starting up a campaign to scare Medicare recipients.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:10 PM
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12. Most of the waste he is talking about eliminating is Medicare "Advantage"
which is, essentially, a giveaway to the insurance industry (much like paying banks to process student loans did not help students but was a giveaway to banks).

Part C: Medicare Advantage plans
With the passage of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, Medicare beneficiaries were given the option to receive their Medicare benefits through private health insurance plans, instead of through the original Medicare plan (Parts A and B). These programs were known as "Medicare+Choice" or "Part C" plans. Pursuant to the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003, "Medicare+Choice" plans were made more attractive to Medicare beneficiaries by the addition of prescription drug coverage and became known as "Medicare Advantage" (MA) plans.
Traditional or 'fee-for-service' Medicare has a standard benefit package that covers medically necessary care members can receive from nearly any hospital or doctor in the country. For people who choose to enroll in a Medicare Advantage health plan, Medicare pays the private health plan a capitated rate, or a set amount, every month for each member. Members typically also pay a monthly premium in addition to the Medicare Part B premium to cover items not covered by traditional Medicare (Parts A & B), such as prescription drugs, dental care, vision care and gym or health club memberships.<9> In exchange for these extra benefits, enrollees may be limited on the providers they can receive services from without paying extra. Typically, the plans have a 'network' of providers that you can use. Going outside that network may require permission or extra fees.
Medicare Advantage plans are required to offer coverage that meets or exceeds the standards set by the original Medicare program, but they do not have to cover every benefit in the same way. If a plan chooses to pay less than Medicare for some benefits, like skilled nursing facility care, the savings may be passed along to consumers by offering lower copayments for doctor visits. Medicare Advantage plans use a portion of the payments they receive from the government for each enrollee to offer supplemental benefits. Some plans limit their members’ annual out-of-pocket spending on medical care, providing insurance against catastrophic costs over $5,000, for example. Many plans offer dental coverage, vision coverage and other services not covered by Medicare Parts A or B, which makes them a good value for the health care dollar, if you want to use the provider included in the plan's network or 'panel' of providers.

{. . .)

Each year many individuals disenroll from MA plans. A recent study noted that about 20 percent of enrollees report that 'their most important reason for leaving was due to problems getting care.'<14> There is some evidence that disabled beneficiaries 'are more likely to experience multiple problems in managed care.'<15> Some studies have reported that the older, poorer, and sicker persons have been less satisfied with the care they have received in MA plans.<16>
Twenty percent of African-American and 32 percent of Hispanic Medicare Beneficiaries were enrolled in Medicare Advantage plans in 2006. Almost half (48%) of Medicare Advantage enrollees had incomes below $20,000, including 71% of minority enrollees.<17> Others have reported that minority enrollment is not particularly above average.<18> Another study has raised questions about the quality of care received by minorities in MA plans.<19>
The Government Accountability Office reported that in 2006, the plans earned profits of 6.6 percent, had overhead (sales, etc.) of 10.1 percent, and provided 83.3 percent of the revenue dollar in medical benefits. These administrative costs are far higher than traditional fee-for-service Medicare.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:21 AM
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20. Thank you for this information. We will be looking over the plan
that my parents have. I'm printing out your answer for them to read.

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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 07:17 PM
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14. I am on Medicare and I am not concerned.
I can't believe Obama or any other Democrat would put the elderly in danger by cutting back their coverage. The Repubs are trying to scare the bejeebers out of the elderly, because they know they can succeed.

I have heart problems and am not in fear of losing the care I have become accustomed to. I'm just so glad I don't have BC/BS anymore. They had me jumping through all kinds of hoops. I despise that company.

Good luck with your parents. DO NOT listen to the Republicans or any articles written by them or their rumor mill.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:25 AM
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21. Trust our President
This cutting our seniors coverage is trash talk designed to do just what it did to you, make you doubt him
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 07:45 AM
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22. I certainly understand the reasons for worry
but so far I myself am not really worried about it. The abuse of the Medicare system is done at the hands of providers and Insurance companies, not the participants. There is a great deal of room for savings that would only increase the care, not the other way around. If they do it right, it could be good.
But the administration and the Congress are doing a terrible job communicating about this plan, in particular to seniors and the disabled. While some will find ways to blame the elderly for not listening, that is a waste of political time. This week there were arrests of seniors at DiFi's office and other places. The leadership should see that and take action to communicate, in the specific detail that seniors rightly demand. Their job is to make their points, ease the fears of those most in need, and create the trust that is needed.
Seniors and the disabled frighten politicians dealing with health care, because they know the subject so well. The specific facts. You can not get by with vague terms and generalities with them. And that is why the politicians are avoiding them now. And having them arrested and all. It will not work.
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