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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:33 PM
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A trip to the hospital in Ontario
My wife caught a bad cold on Wednesday. Coughing, feeling lousy. Friday night, she complained of "burning pain" and pressure in her chest. Saturday, I took her to the hospital because it wasn't getting better and she had major chills and a fever.

We waited about 15 minutes to see the doctor. The Triage nurse gave her some extra-strength Tylenol while she was waiting.

The doctor ordered a chest Xray and blood tests. Both were taken care of in an hour.

The diagnosis? Pneumonia. The doctor prescribed an antibiotic and told her to stay off work for a while and gave her a letter excusing her. The prescription cost us $80, covered by her health plan at work. Whew! Serious, but not such a big deal

The real thing that impressed me was that the man next to us in Emerg was a guy who had a sliver in his hand. He only wanted to see a nurse to have it taken out, but Admitting said "No, we treat everyone the same here, you'll see a doctor soon". So the doctor on duty pulled out his sliver (it was large and he screamed in pain as it was being pulled our). he was sent home with a bandage and some antibiotic creme.

Both of our treatments were taken care of quickly, efficiently and caringly.

And we both walked out without paying a cent.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:39 PM
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1. Hogwash. That's just commie, socialist propaganda. You've all been brainwashed and are under the
control of the government. You better not take your wife in too often, or they will put her name in a death book and take it to a death panel where they will decide that she should no longer live. And they'll also force you to kill all your babies that are less than one year old because they can't supply the government with money or work for the ACORN and for Bill Ayers. Then you'll be taken to ACORN concentration camps where you'll be forced to work for the government by training babies to hate their parents...


...ooopppssss. I forgot we're not suppose to talk about that.



PLAN B HAS BEEN ABORTED. I REPEAT. PLAN B HAS BEEN ABORTED.






If it's really necessary -------> :sarcasm: ... or is it????????????????
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:45 PM
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3. "Thanks, I thought there was a bunch of stuff I should be afraid of." - M. Oran (R)
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 06:45 PM by SpiralHawk
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:45 PM
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4. Don't forget the guillotines!
:scared: :scared: :scared:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:54 PM
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5. Our "death panels" have been slacking off lately
I haven't heard of them lately.

In fact, ever. Just our socialist, fascist government telling me what to do.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:42 PM
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2. lots of recs and no kicks...to the top
cause we need to hear more about you poor people up there in the tundra! (ps :sarcasm: )
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:55 PM
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6. I've often wondered why we in the northern U.S. .....
...aren't waiting in long lines to see a doctor-lines which are long because so many of our brothers and sister's north of the border taking advantage of America's much ballyhooed great medical care!

I live not too far from Canada in Tacoma WA. For some reason, I don't recall seeing any British Columbia license plates in our hospital parking lots. That said, I HAVE seen those same license plates at our retail outlet stores. Maybe those needy Canadians are being sneaky by parking there and secretly taking the bus to our hospitals. (Do I really need to add the sarcasm smiley for this bit of snark?)

I've a republican friend who swears that America's health care is the best on the planet. (He has a lot of other odd notions too...like Saddam was successful at hiding his WMD's and likely did so with the help of the Democratic Party!)
KnR
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:58 PM
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7. how much did they pay you to post this?
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 07:00 PM by madrchsod
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:06 PM
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8. I'm polishing my new yacht as I post this
:eyes:
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:08 PM
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9. If I were to find myself in a similar situation, I would possibly end up dead of it.
I make $9.00 / hr and don't have health insurance.

Ergo, I wouldn't go to the hospital until I was 100% sure that I would die without treatment. I'm not being hyperbolic. If I were 90% sure that I needed medical care to save my life, I wouldn't go to the ER because I could never pay the bill. It would bankrupt me.

So basically, because I am of meager means, I am forced to risk dying over some easily treated infection or other condition because I simply can't afford to pay the thousands of dollars that a hospital stay costs.

Death Panels? Fuck you, Sarah Palin. The way things are at present, there are 45 million people in this country who wake up every day facing the possibility that we will have to choose between going to the hospital and finally finding out why our chest, or head or leg has been hurting so damn bad lately, incurring a crippling financial obligation in the process, or just riding out the pain for one more day hoping that it will go away on its own, and that it's nothing potentially lethal.

You know what's worse than your ridiculous notion of death panels, Republicans? The richest country in the world leaving tens of millions of its citizens with virtually no access to medical care whatsoever, likely causing hundreds of thousands of deaths that could have been prevented.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:15 PM
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10. i would for my daughter, and have.... because we were scared to death what it could be.
and we had no insurance, so no doctor to take her to. but for myself.... i'd have to be pretty much dead before i'd go to the hospital. well, now i have insurance and go to the doctor for check ups... and my prenatal stuff... and will go to the hospital to have the baby soon... though i have seriously considered just having her here. how much cheaper would THAT be. but generally i tend to avoid going to the doctor unless absolutely necessary.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:25 PM
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12. In a Canadian hospital, everyone's the same
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 07:26 PM by Canuckistanian
It doesn't matter how much you make, who you work for or who has the best insurance coverage.

You're dealt with according to health needs only. Whoever needs the most medical attention gets to see the doctor first. Period.

I suppose the biggest difference between our countries is that we don't worry about going to a doctor. Are you really sick? Then go to the doctor RIGHT NOW. No hesitation. No checking our bank accounts first.

With our system, we can do that.

I don't mean to sound smug, but I'm rather astounded that anyone would want anything else.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:51 PM
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19. Won't it be interesting to see which country weathers the H1N1 virus better?
I hope Canadians are ready to make a lot of noise about the medical care they receive from the flu, as opposed to the United States Of Death Panels.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:56 PM
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20. Wonderful post.
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 09:02 PM by muffin1
I'm the same way. I had a tick bite about a month ago - had never had one that bad. My leg had a large red, blotchy, circle - 4 or 5 inches circumference - with a knot in the middle of it. Hubby tried to convince me to have it looked at. We just don't have a couple hundred dollars to spend on something that "might go away". Thankfully, it finally subsided after a week or so...but one day...who knows what we'll ignore that will end up killing us?

Meanwhile, as we worry and hope for the best, insurance executives, lobbyists, and their republican whores are getting rich beyond their wildest dreams.


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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:05 PM
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22. You should be tested for Lyme Disease.
The long-term effects of the tick bite are worse than the actual bite itself.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:37 PM
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25. Really?
Even if the spot disappeared three weeks ago? I've had no symptoms apart from the spot.

Seriously, no money, nada...

What is wrong this country??? Insurance companies spending millions, so they can make billions off of the sick and dying.
And the stupid citizens that let them get away with it...well, I'm going to stop now. I am just so fed up with these f***ers. :evilfrown:

Thank you AllieB, for caring. O8)
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:36 PM
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24. seriously, get a lyme test. the rash is a strong indicator. nt
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:44 PM
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26. You're the second one to say that.
Maybe I should. Hmmm...what do I have left to sell...

Thank you, Voice for Peace

:hi:
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:23 PM
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28. aw jeez, that shouldn't even have to be a consideration.
but last spring I was bit by several deer ticks, freaked me out, I did a great deal of research. The rash appeared to be a near-certainty that Lyme was contracted.

You could skip the test and just get a doctor to give you a prescription for the antibiotics.. that would save money.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 05:01 PM
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29. That tic bite sounds an offly lot like lyme disease. Please read
Edited on Mon Aug-31-09 05:08 PM by ooglymoogly
Also treated with antibiotics.

If Lyme disease is left untreated, it may progress in stages from mild symptoms to serious, long-term disabilities. There are three stages of Lyme disease: early localized, early disseminated, and late persistent.

Stage 1: Early localized infection (1 to 4 weeks)

Some people with Lyme disease have a rash (called erythema migrans) at the site of the tick bite. The rash is usually circular and it gets larger over time. Other people don't have any symptoms in the early stages of Lyme disease and do not remember having had a tick bite. About half the people infected with Lyme disease develop a rash within 1 to 4 weeks.1 See a picture of a Lyme disease rash Click here to see an illustration..

For people who live in areas where Lyme disease most often occurs—in the United States along the Atlantic coast, the Midwest, and parts of Oregon and California—the circular rash can be a sign of Lyme disease, especially when it appears during the summer months.

Some people with Lyme disease will have flu-like symptoms with or without a rash. These symptoms may include:

* Lack of energy, which is the most common symptom.
* Headache and stiff neck.
* Fever and chills.
* Muscle and joint pain.
* Swollen lymph nodes.

In some cases of Lyme disease, the person does not notice any symptoms during this stage.

Stage 2: Early disseminated infection (1 to 4 months)

If Lyme disease is not detected and treated while early symptoms are present, or if you do not have early symptoms that trigger the need for treatment, the infection may affect the skin, joints, nervous system, and heart within weeks to months after the initial infection.

Symptoms at this stage may include:

* Being tired.
* Additional skin rashes in several places on your body that develop as the infection spreads.
* Pain, weakness, or numbness in the arms or legs.
* Inability to control the muscles of the face (paralysis of the facial nerves).
* Recurring headaches or fainting.
* Poor memory and reduced ability to concentrate.
* Conjunctivitis (pinkeye) or sometimes damage to deep tissue in the eyes.
* Occasional rapid heartbeats (palpitations) or, in rare cases, serious heart problems.

Stage 3: Late persistent infections

If Lyme disease is not promptly or effectively treated, damage to the joints, nerves, and brain may develop months or years after you become infected (late Lyme disease). Symptoms at this stage may include:

* Swelling and pain (inflammation) in the joints, especially in the knees.
* Numbness and tingling in the hands, feet, or back.
* Severe fatigue.
* Partial facial nerve paralysis (Bell's palsy), which usually occurs within the first few months after the tick bite.2
* Neurologic changes, including problems with memory, mood, or sleep, and sometimes problems speaking.
* Chronic Lyme arthritis, which causes recurring episodes of swelling, redness, and fluid buildup in one or more joints that last up to 6 months at a time.

Heart, nervous system, and joint symptoms may be the first signs of Lyme disease in people who did not have a rash or other symptoms of early infection.
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Treatment Overview

Lyme disease is treated with antibiotics such as doxycycline or amoxicillin. Antibiotic treatment for early Lyme disease is effective, and symptoms usually go away within 3 weeks of treatment.3

The earlier antibiotic treatment is started after infection, the faster and more completely you will recover.4 Research indicates that if you are given a single dose of the antibiotic doxycycline within 72 hours after being bitten by an infected tick, your chances of getting Lyme disease may be reduced by up to 87%.5 This treatment may be especially effective for those who live in high-risk areas.

If Lyme disease is not diagnosed and treated until later problems arise, it may take you a long time to get better or you may need additional treatment.

Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), such as aspirin or ibuprofen, are usually helpful for symptoms of arthritis that can occur with late Lyme disease. These symptoms may include pain, swelling, redness, warmth, and limitation of movement.

Some people with untreated Lyme disease get achy joints. Sometimes, repeated episodes of swelling, redness, and fluid buildup in one or more joints can last up to 6 months at a time. This is a condition called chronic Lyme arthritis. Treatment for this problem usually requires antibiotics, such as amoxicillin or doxycycline. But joints that have been badly damaged by Lyme arthritis may take a long time to get better, or antibiotics may not improve symptoms. If chronic Lyme arthritis continues despite antibiotic treatment, surgery to remove the lining of the affected joint (synovectomy) may be considered.

Long-term antibiotics are also commonly used to treat nervous system problems (such as tingling and numbness or conditions such as meningitis). But a number of examinations and tests may be done to rule out other causes of symptoms before more aggressive or long-term antibiotic treatment is started.

People with partial facial paralysis (Bell's palsy) as a result of Lyme disease may improve on their own without additional treatment.

Antibiotics and other treatments are used to help people who develop serious heart problems, such as severe irregular heartbeat or pericarditis, from Lyme disease that was left untreated or was not treated effectively. But these problems are extremely rare, especially in people who did not have heart problems before getting Lyme disease. Heart problems may start getting better on their own, even before antibiotic treatment has started.

In the past, a Lyme disease vaccination was available for people who lived in high-risk areas, but the vaccine is no longer made. It was removed from the market due to uncertainty over its effectiveness and lack of demand.
What To Think About

Most people who have had a tick bite do not get Lyme disease. But it is still important to talk to your doctor if you have had a tick attached to you.

Even after successful treatment for Lyme disease, you can get it again. So it is important to continue to protect yourself against tick bites.

Previously, doctors recommended using the antibiotic doxycycline for about 20 days to cure early Lyme disease. But a study suggests that 10 days of doxycycline is as effective as 20 days to cure early, uncomplicated Lyme disease.6 The type of antibiotic your doctor gives you and the number of days you take it depends on your symptoms and the stage of the disease. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions about your antibiotic treatment.

Misdiagnosis of Lyme disease is common, especially if you do not have the characteristic circular red rash. In addition, anxiety and awareness of Lyme disease has resulted in frequent use of antibiotic treatment for people who really do not need it. In general, antibiotics are not usually needed unless it is clear you have Lyme disease.

In some rare cases, severe joint and nervous system damage cannot be reversed.
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Last updated: September 03, 2008
Author: Maria G. Essig, MS, ELS

Get it checked out. If you are desperate get the above mentioned antibiotics the best way you can. search the internet. There are ways.

P.S If your parrot is sick there is pharmaceutical grade doxycycline on line.


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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:13 AM
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34. My sister has been suffering with Lyme for years.
I've had it and so has my other sister. We all know people who have had it, or suffer long term effects from it here in New England. It is the silent epidemic.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:02 PM
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27. Thank you - You said it very well! Those who have experienced this know the disgust for Repubs!
They have no conscience! They are brain dead and only follow the pied piper Limbaugh and FOX News.

I read today that Bushies did laugh at these "fools" often! The people that don't get it and say they are Christian's and say they believe in taking care of the least of these but are against health care for all are the biggest hypocrites in the United States of America!
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:20 PM
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11. A co-worker of mine who works in Ontario said she paid $50 to have a baby.
$50. That's all. And she only paid that because she asked for a private room.

I won't even go into my out of pocket expenses (with supposedly good insurance) when my hubby had to go to the emergency room for 2 stitches in his thumb.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:30 PM
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13. Whoa, She got off cheap. It cost us $150 when we had our son.
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 07:39 PM by Canuckistanian
But then we had a private "suite" in a speciality hospital. And the baby was jaundiced and needed another day's stay.

It was a special time for us.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:35 PM
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14. $150 is pretty darned good!
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:38 PM
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15. I had been dating an American man.........
and when we were talking about co-habiting, I decided to check the cost of everything. I couldn't get insurance at all, because of pre-existing conditions, and my meds were going to cost me $1400 per month.........rather than the $300 per month I paid here. Needless to say, I'm still living in Canada, thank you.
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:13 PM
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16. BUT AMERICA HAS THE BEST HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD!
Rah Rah America! God bless Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh!

Fucking assholes.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:23 AM
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35. But only if you can afford it. Every one else - - - FREE TO DIE! That would be the
REAL DEATH PANELS
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:37 PM
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17. Where were you? I know the hosptials in Tee Oh pretty well. nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:45 PM
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18. We're in a small town near Ottawa
It's called Perth. But I'm originally from Toronto.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:56 PM
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21. I've been through there...nt
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:12 PM
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23. I lived there.
A long, long time ago.

Escaped at 14 or so.
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veritasvg Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:16 PM
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31. I Know Where That Is!
We used to fish on Kashwakamak, at a little place called Aragain Lodge near Northbrook. It was the closest beer store around!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 08:18 PM
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33. Wow, that's a long drive for beer
But, hey, I understand....
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:09 PM
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30. Worth reading! K&R
Thanks for telling your story.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:17 PM
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32. Thanks
We do realize that our system has some problems, but it's days like Saturday that make me appreciate our single-payer health care.
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