Is there a picture of the "boyfriend" Laura bush KILLED anywhere?

[greenbriar]

asshole repukes want to demean Kennedy and show MJK


Lets fight fire with fire


show the photo of the man Laura bush KILLED

[Skittles]

1. I just prefer not to act like them

[greenbriar]

2. and that is why the RW loonies are always out in front

because we always back down


NO MORE

[gopiscrap]

22. I agree!!!

[MajorChode]

61. They are out in front making complete asses out of themselves

That's why their party is swirling the drain and will continue to do so. There's no need to emulate that behavior.

[calimary]

104. Those who always take the high road are most likely to run straight over a cliff.

I think we've tried it the other way - be nice, rise above it, don't react, don't respond, etc - LONG ENOUGH. And how's it working out for ya? Do you honestly like the results? Has that helped them somehow to "see the light"? Has it helped to make them decide to be nice, in return? Do they treat us kindly and respectfully when we treat them that way? Has it encouraged any of them to drop their verbal guns and ammo and go back to being ladies and gentlemen with polite discourse and congeniality?




Anyone?





Hello?






I didn't think so.



I think maybe flame-throwers might be a better option at this point. Taste of their own medicine. See how they like it. If there are consequences for behaving that way, maybe SOME of 'em might think twice. Otherwise, I believe they think we're wimps and weenies and pussies, and they laugh at us. I'd like to start forcing them to laugh out of the other side of their faces.

[treestar]

108. This is true

They only get worse.

And if Laura Bush did cause such an accident, she deserves the coverage as much as Ted Kennedy did.

Though she's not the one who ran for office herself. Some might say leave her be, because she is the wife, not the politician.

Maybe a better revenge would be the dead intern guy.

[maynard]

127. agreed

We are such wimps. If we were a little more like Tom "the hammer" Delay, we would have already passed the health care bill.

[elleng]

40. I agree, especially re: petty matters such as this.

[skier_]

111. You're right,

I completely agree.

[Peregrine Took]

128. Yes, they count on your passive attitude.

It gives them comfort during long, cold nights.

[Riley18]

3. Is there even anything on paper about her killing someone?

I recall something about an accident when she was driving drunk. It would be good to have all the facts so when anyone tries to demean Kennedy we are able to share the info. It seems the Bush bums can say or do anything and get away with it. What exactly is their secret? Is it part of their devious plan that Jeb spoke about when he was governor?

[anigbrowl]

8. It's not a secret

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dutton_Douglas

[gopiscrap]

23. Why was she never charged

[Xenotime]

79. Somebody needs to charge her now...

I would love to see her in handcuffs.

[JonLP24]

97. Reminds me of the trial of the NJ Trooper who was chasing a speeder and killed

someone in an intersection after flying past a stop sign. It was brought up during trial that there was people who ran stop signs and killed someone but wasn't charged usually because of sleep deprivation. I think maybe the same applies to Laura Bush and including the fact she was very young for a driver at the time. Other then that I could see that as the only explanation.

The officer was eventually found not guilty of vehicular homicide by a jury.

[barbiegeek]

107. Because she was screwing W

[barbiegeek]

106. 1963 Laura killed Micheal Dutton

[pipi_k]

4. Actually, there is...

Seems she killed him more than once, too....

[Motown_Johnny]

20. that bastard!!!

[CurtEastPoint]

31. You bastards! That made me roar with laughter. Thanks! n/t

[anigbrowl]

5. Off you go

Don't let us stop you, though I have zero wish to start acting like a Republican.

[Sebastian Doyle]

16. Oh the irony......

:rofl:

[blueamy66]

25. Off you go?

What, are you Simon now? :)

[anigbrowl]

66. I am from that part of the world, as it happens :-)

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. If it really happened it would be in the local papers and possibly also the school yearbook. We

tend to put memorials for kids in ours around here.

[imdjh]

28. SPeaking of which, what is up with people writing shit all over their cars?

I don't mean "Joey 1986-2009" on the day of the funeral, as vulgar as that would be, but cars that have hand written or appliqué memorials that are years old?

[benEzra]

99. Because sometimes it takes people years to get over that kind of loss,

and they're still working through the grief and pain. And it's their car, so it's their prerogative.

[imdjh]

120. self delete- response served no useful purpose. nt

[greenbriar]

7. no question it happened

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp



http://www.bartcop.com/pickles-killer.htm

[inna]

38. thanks for the links, nt

[virgogal]

9. Grow up for God's sake.

[greenbriar]

11. nope

I won't back down


we always back down then we get painted the losers/liars


It is time we stood our ground and FIGHT BACK

[loudsue]

18. Good for you, greenbriar!

She gets a free pass on killing someone, but show me a republican that is held responsible for .... well, for just about any damn thing.

[imdjh]

29. There are better ways.

[sabrina 1]

68. What better way is there to deal

with people who have no conscience or empathy for other human beings? Both Laura Bush and Ted Kennedy were involved in very tragic accidents which happened decades ago. Only one of them has been repeatedly vilified and called a murderer.

Wingnuts on the day of Kennedy's death, abused the memory of Mary Jo Kopechne by using her picture to insult the memory of both Sen. Kennedy and Mary Jo. I doubt very much that she would wantto be used this way especially by people who could care less about her.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, you have to bring a gun, not a knife, to a gun-fight. I am sick of being 'nice' it has stopped nothing and if anything only encouraged them to be even more abusive.

Bullies only understand one thing and that is getting back more than what they give.

If it were up to me, I would respect both Laura Bush and Sen. Kennedy as human beings who both suffered enough as a result of those two terrible accidents, neither of them, understandably wanted to discuss the traumatic events.

But it isn't up to me ~

[Iggo]

88. And you want to do the same thing. I get it.

You want to have no conscience or empathy for other human beings. You want to repeatedly vilify someone and call her a murderer. You want to abuse the memory of that other poor kid in the accident to insult the memory of the freshly dead Laura Bush. You're sick of being nice and you want to be more abusive.

I get it. I get it.

I don't want to be like that. And I won't be like that. Get it?

[sabrina 1]

92. No, you don't get it.

I know you feel all self-righteous after typing out that lecture, but you definitely do not get it. You want to allow this kind of one-sided abuse to continue. You want to protect the Party that is responsible for it by allowing them to feel safe that they are immune from such treatment.

I don't want to be like that, and I won't, Get it? I believe in fairness and truthfulness in our media coverage of the news. I want this biased reporting to stop.

See how easy that was? To impune YOUR motives without knowing a thing about you?

The media rarely mentioned Sen. Kennedy throughout his entire life, without referring to that accident. And all the way through his last days up to and including coverage of his funeral. If that is our standard, then it needs to be the same for everyone, unless you are in favor of biased reporting.

Their excuse is that he was a public figure. Yet, they protect other public figures from the same kind of abuse. Not once has anyone referred to Laura Bush' accident when speaking about her on the news. She too is a public figure.

And just so you 'Get it', what I am for is treating everyone with the same respect they have treated the Bushes.

But the wing-nut element in this country feel perfectly safe to have this one-sided rule of journalism. I want them put on notice that as long as we are okay with abusing the memories of some people the rules have to be changed to make certain that the news is balanced. That means that their heroes get the same coverage. As long as this is the rule they support, then it will be applied equally to everyone.

So, since the rules have been established and every day that people mourned Sen. Kennedy over the past week, the accident was mentioned and the viewing wing-nuts took that as a cue to do what they do best. I wish Laura Bush a long and happy life, but until those rules change, when she or anyone else dies, as a public figure, her treatment should be no different. Unless you are for bias in our media.

And, as I said in my previous post, as long as they keep doing it, people who loved Sen. Kennedy will do the same thing. I did NOT say I would, I said it WILL happen. And that is a fact. And I understand the reason why.

[Iggo]

98. Lecture?

I just threw your own words back at you.

[sabrina 1]

125. And yet, you informed me

that imitating those you don't agree is wrong while you engaged in the same behavior by your own admission. I wonder if you see the hypocricy of what you did :-)

[TankLV]

137. Yes LECTURE - YOU don't fucking "get it"...!!!

And the poster threw YOUR OWN fucking HPOCRITICAL words BACK AT YOU!!!

[Cha]

112. The corporatemediawhores tried to cover up george bush's

DUI right before the election in 2000 and were trying to blame Al Gore for exposing it..fuck the corporatemedia. How they must hate the internet.

Equal reporting on good and bad news for everyone.

[anigbrowl]

67. This isn't the way to go about it

You know, one key difference between Ted Kennedy and Laura Bush is that the latter is not an icon of her political party, nor has she ever asked people to vote for her or for any particular cause. Which is why nobody has ever cared very much about this scandal. Also, she was below the age of majority. Kennedy's accident took place when he was already a senator and more than twice her age.

I don't think the Chappaquiddick article defines Kennedy like Republicans say, but you want to pretend it was of no significance at all. ..which is just stupid. That sort of thing is a huge scandal. If the same circumstances happened some Republican senator you'd never let them forget it either.

If this is your idea of effective political tactics, then I'm afraid you are a loser. Sorry.

[MichiganVote]

10. So long as you don't mind them bringing up...

Joe Kennedy II. In 1973, a jeep he was driving overturned. The accident injured his brother David Kennedy and permanently paralyzed David's then-girlfriend, Pam Kelley. The police cited Kennedy with reckless driving. The judge suspended his license temporarily. He was 21.

Laura Bush was also a young driver when she had her accident and neither of these two were public officials.

You probably won't do it, but I think its best to ignore the negatives people throw out about Ted Kennedy. In the eyes of most people, he redeemed himself. Although I don't happen to favor Laura Bush, she seems to have done the same as has Joe Kennedy II.

[Riley18]

12. Laura struck and killed a 17 year old in 1963.

[greenbriar]

13. maybe this guy

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=Michael+Dutton+Douglas+&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

[cali]

14. that comparison doesn't work. Laura Bush was a 17 year old girl

she didn't leave the scene of the accident. She didn't not report it for 9 hours. She wasn't drunk. She wasn't married and fucking around. I love Ted Kennedy in spite of what he did at Chappaquidick, not because of it. It was a horrible thing he did. Much, much worse than what Laura Welch did. And anyone trying to compare the two incidents to say that they're the same kind of thing, is not doing themselves or Teddy any favors.

[JuniperLea]

15. What cali said...

As vengeful as I feel about this, it would only make matters far worse, and it really isn't keeping with how Teddy lived his life after his own issues.

We would all do well to try to live as he did.

[depakid]

17. She ran a stop sign at high speed- which is criminally negligent homicide

There's a guy being prosecuted who did almost the exact same thing not far from here. Figure he's looking at 5 years.

Of course, he's not well connected- and this isn't Texas

[crazyjoe]

19. So then you think Teddy should of went to jail?

[depakid]

21. Probably so

There certainly should have been a more thorough investigation of the facts.

[imdjh]

30. By the standards of the day, no. By the standards of today, probably so.

[TiredOldMan]

43. You got it right there.

Standards are different now with 24-hour news.

[onenote]

24. do you have proof that she was speeding?

the police report indicated she was not. She ran a stop sign. That much is known. The rest is speculation on your part that, to be honest, makes you sound not just a little bit like my rushbot father in law who continues to claim Mary Jo Kopechne was pregnant by Teddy when she died. Its a stupid claim.

Also, how "well connected" was Laura Welch when she was 17?

[Unrepentant Fenian]

32. I do !!! See the link below

[onenote]

34. it says she ran a stop sign

The box for "Speeding -- over limit" is not checked. The box that is checked says "speed - under limit" (and then another word I can't read).

So it seems like the proof you have that she was speeding actually supports the opposite conclusion.

[The Stranger]

36. Running the stop sign is sufficient. You have already conceded the point there.

She could easily have been prosecuted for criminally negligent homicide.

[onenote]

41. i never said she hadn't. I asked for proof for the claim she was speeding and you're wrong

about criminally negligent homicide. Its virtually never a charge today (let alone 46 years ago) in a fatal accident where all that is involved in a traffic violation like speeding or running a stop sign. Even Janklow was only charged with manslaughter and he was speeding AND ran a stop sign AND lied about it.

[Unrepentant Fenian]

102. Try looking at the Police report, right side, third col. down...

Vehicle 2, "speed" is checked as a contributing factor.

[onenote]

131. what I see on the report is a notation that vehicle 2 was going under the speed limit

The box for speeding - over limit is not checked.

What do you think it says?

[depakid]

33. You don't kill someone iin that situation you're not going too fast...

and her family was well connected.

Bottom line- criminally negligent homicide.

[onenote]

35. huh?

The speed limit was 55. I imagine hitting a corvair with a chevy at 50. Or 45. Or 40 etc. could easily cause a fatal accident depending on where the point of impact was, whether the victim was wearing a seat belt, and a host of other factors.

She ran a stop sign. I have no idea why she wasn't charged. I have no idea whether, in 1963, in that part of Texas, not being charged was out of the ordinary or typical for a situation like this. And, I suspect, neither do you.

[depakid]

72. Here's the pic

Looks like a high rate of speed to me.

In fact, it looks a lot like the accident I cited where the guy's being prosecuted.

[onenote]

76. the speed limit was 55 and her car weighed a lot more than his

that much damage on a 62 corvair wouldn't be surprising from an accident at that speed or even 5 or ten miles an hour less, particularly since he was driving a corvair and she was driving an impala -- depending on the model, her car was at least 500 pounds heavier than his, probably more.

[cherokeeprogressive]

122. The weight difference was nearly double.

Curb weight of the vehicles involved. I've used the curb weight of a 1963 Impala because if Laura Welch was as hugely connected as everyone says, she surely would have been driving a brand new car.

1963 Chevy Impala 4050 lbs

1962 Corvair 2 door coupe 2390 lbs

HUGE difference in weight. Huge capacity for damage when the heavier car hits the lighter one.

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=45232

http://www.carnut.com/specs/gen/vair60.html

[onenote]

56. bottom line-- you don't know what you're talking about

In most jurisdictions today (let alone 46 years ago), it would be highly unusual for someone to be charged with criminally negligent homicide for an accident in which they ran a stop sign and caused an accident in which someone was killed unless there were extenuating circumstances, such as drunk driving or drugs. Typically, the only charge in such a case is a misdemeanor for running a stop sign or careless driving. It sounds outrageous, but its pretty much standard operating procedure. Why Laura Welch wasn't charged with a misdemeanor failure to stop at a stop sign is good question, but to claim that she would've/should've been charged with criminally negligent homicide reflects a serious misunderstanding/misstatement of the law and common prosecutorial practice.


When rep. janklow ran a red light while speeding and killed a motorcyclist a few years ago, there was some question as to whether he would simply be charged with the misdemeanor violations or with manslaughter. There was never any suggestion he'd be charged with vehicular homicide or something like that because the standard is that homicide charges are reserved for situations where drugs or alcohol play a factor. Indeed, research showed in other cases where a driver ran a stop sign (but wasn't speeding) and killed someone the only charges filed were misdemenor charges for the traffic violation. Janklow ultimately faced, and was convicted of manslaughter in part because he was speeding and because he lied about the event.

Here's another example:http://www.skiracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2493&Itemid=35

[depakid]

69. Despite your apologetics- the law wasn't any different then than now:

The elements of negligent homicide are still the same.

A 47-year-old Aloha woman was killed last year in a four-vehicle traffic crash that sent three others to the hospital. The July 23, 2008, collision happened at Southwest Baseline Road and Southwest 206th Avenue.

Laura Paprocki was driving a 2007 Mustang convertible that was hit on the driver's side, allegedly by a 1991 Chevrolet pickup truck driven by Brandon Alan Bertschy, 35, of Hillsboro. Paprocki's 19-year-old son was injured. Bertschy also was hospitalized, and his 8-year-old nephew suffered minor injuries.

Bertschy was arrested at his home Thursday and charged with second-degree manslaughter, one count of third-degree assault, and two counts of fourth-degree assault. He was held in the Washington County Jail in lieu of $250,000 bail.

The investigation primarily focused on Bertschy's ability to stop his truck when the traffic light turned from green to yellow, said Sgt. David Thompson, a Washington County Sheriff's spokesman.

http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2009/07/hillsboro_man_accused_of_mansl.html

[cap]

77. why wasn't Laura charged at all is a very good question...

the average person would have been charged with a misdemeanor. But there would have been a police investigation and a hearing before a judge. I'm just curious how politically connected her family was in order to get these charges swept under the rug.

[ParkieDem]

95. You're absolutely right.

The reports also show that he was driving a Corvair -- not the safest of vehicles.

[JeanGrey]

45. Laura Bush was not "well connected" at the time of the

accident.

[LaydeeBug]

84. Her father was a well connected real estate developer. So, yes, she was. nt

[JeanGrey]

113. They were middle class, not rich, Laura didn't even know

the Bushes at that time. It is simply silly to try and say that she had "strings" pulled for her.

[WillowTree]

57. To whom was Laura Welch "well connected" when she was 17 years old?

[LaydeeBug]

85. To her father, Harold Welch. nt

[onenote]

100. link for evidence that Harold Welch was well-connected?

He wasn't a politician and he wasn't, as far as I can determine, a particularly prominent person in Midland TX.

[LaydeeBug]

103. He was a real estate developer.

and a well connected one. You don't "back yard barbeque with the Bushes" and pretend you're not well connected.

[JeanGrey]

115. Laura didn't know the "Bushes" when she was 17.

She didn't marry George until she was thirty one, and she met him like three months before they married. At 17 the families didn't know one another.

[JeanGrey]

114. He wasn't. This is more made up stuff.

[KittyWampus]

87. Laura Bush wasn't well connected at 17 either.

[The Stranger]

37. Didn't see the original poster calling for a "comparison." You added that.

The fact of the matter is that the Republicans seem to paint their leaders as saints, when the facts -- even with regard to car accidents -- seem to indicate otherwise.

She ran a stop sign and killed an innocent young man. Those are the facts. There is nothing wrong (and quite a bit right) with pointing out those facts.

[greenbriar]

39. thank you

exactly my point

[onenote]

58. its pretty clear the motivation - fight fire with fire -- is to somehow compare Teddy's accident

to Laura's. And as several have pointed out, that's a comparison in which Teddy looks much worse than Laura.

[cali]

73. lol. it was so clearly a comparison that I get a kick out of anyone denying the obvious.

Denial certainly is a powerful and deceptive force.

[The Stranger]

94. Get your kicks out of whatever you want.

But don't kick those on our side.

[fascisthunter]

109. seems to be a habit

[cali]

110. I don't kick those on our side and I don't act as a stupid apologist

making ridiculous comparisons.

[The Stranger]

121. Or, perhaps, you cannot make the necessary distinctions.

[JeanGrey]

44. Yup.

[TankLV]

138. Laura bush WAS DRUNK - that's why she RAN THE STOP SIGN & KILLED HER BOYFRIEND!!!

[The Straight Story]

26. Did she leave and not report it, etc?

If not then not sure how the comparison fits here. The problem with Kennedy people had was what he did after the accident, not the accident itself.

[woo me with science]

74. *Crickets* nt

[LaydeeBug]

86. Nah, but Michael Douglas HAD just broken up with her. MJK and EMK were getting along fine.

So even though there are different aspects, the bottom line is this: Laura Bush's car killed just as many people as Ted Kennedy's.

Ted Kennedy was drunk. A horrible scenario to be sure. Laura Bush WASN'T. She was just a woman scorned...

[JeanGrey]

116. Once again your comments make no sense at all.

Laura Bush did not deliberately kill anyone. Your "woman scorned" comments are absurd.

[cherokeeprogressive]

123. She wasn't a woman scorned, she was a 17 year old girl. You ascribe to her some A1 driving skills.

You also assume that she was willing to give up her life in exchange for taking his. Her life and that of her passenger.

I doubt that any 17 year old girl could time the collision of two cars traveling at right-angles going 50+ miles per hour in such a way as to broadside the car coming from her left. One second too fast and she gets T-boned by the Corvair and dies. One second slower and she misses the car altogether.

That's some pretty good driving for a girl who's only been behind the wheel for about a year.

[JeanGrey]

130. Ah, darn, now you've applied logic.

;-)

[Canuckistanian]

27. His family was "taken care of" by Cheney's Death Squads

"just in case"

[JeanGrey]

46. What an absurd statement.

[Canuckistanian]

51. Yeah, I know

Bad attempt at cutting satire.

Mea Culpa.

[Mind_your_head]

47. What? What happened to his family? n/t

[Junkdrawer]

42. Here

Michael Dutton Douglas

[greenbriar]

48. this is from Prophet 451....fits

I'm sick of your casual criminality. Teddy Kennedy, a man who's boots you were not worthy to lick, was just buried and all I've heard from my rightist friends for days is Chappaquidick, Chappaquiddick, Chappaquidick. Your fucking golden boy raped the Constitution, mainly because he wanted to; tortured random people (and waterboarding is torture, fuck you too) essentially because he wanted to; spent like a drunken sailor, essentially because he wanted to; invaded a soverign nation, essentially for the loot and destroyed people's lives, essentially for the evilulz and you bastards are obsessed with a fucking accident a Democrat had decades ago? You don't go on about Laura Bush killing some guy decades ago. Fuck you.

[Dinger]

49. I Can't Find A Pic Of The Woman bu$h MURDERED Either

Margie Schoedinger

[greenbriar]

50. who is that? I haven't heard of this

can you elaborate please

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

52. Here ya go

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.htm

[greenbriar]

53. WOW

I bet we would be really shocked to find out all the crap that has been pulled

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

59. I wouldn't be shocked at all. There's a fascinating video up at google video

about the death of John Kennedy Jr. and the filmmaker believes that Shrub was behind it. Making his "bones"with the BFEE.

Here is a link. It is riveting and filled with info about John's "accident" that I didn't know.

The Assassination of JFK Junior - Murder by Manchurian Candidate

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4200651149401330864&ei=XZWcStnyJ5XnlQeIm-y5Dg&q=murder+of+john+kennedy+jr.&dur=3

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

54. A newspaper clipping

[lonestarnot]

60. What year was that?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

64. 2002.

[Stephanie]

82. She was clearly deranged

We read her complaint at the time and it was pure lunacy. Let's not use a mentally ill woman as payback for Freeper madness. Let's not act like them.

[walldude]

105. Funny how Paula Jones is a household name

an this woman is totally anonymous... I have never even heard about this.

[Dinger]

62. I'll Try

Some links ere, not all "mainstream," but you get the idea. The court documents used to be online, but I can't find them now, with the exception of rense, which I understand is not allowed here/ Anyway, here ya go:

http://www.fortbendstar.com/Archives/2002_4q/121102/n_Woman%20files%20lawsuit%20against%20President.htm

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0212/S00085.htm

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=38176.0

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.htm

http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=2&topic_id=255975

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margie_Schoedinger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH9hgiX5L_A

[cherokeeprogressive]

126. For your reading enjoyment: All court documents in Case No. 02-CCV-022127

Margie Schoedinger vs George W Bush

A simple search of the Fort Bend County court's website turned these up. Interesting reading!

http://tylerpaw.co.fort-bend.tx.us/CaseDocuments.aspx?CaseID=91056&CaseCategoryKeys=CV&NodeID=100,101,102,103,104,105,110,200,201,202,203,204,205,206,300,400,401,402,403,404,405

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

71. Boy we are scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

[Dinger]

78. Why Is That?

bu$h IS the bottom of the barrel. Are you trying to "shut me up" about bu$hitler? Won't happen.

[Name removed]

89. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Dinger]

93. Fort Bend Star Isn't Exactly A Tabloid (nt)

[superduperfarleft]

96. Reporting that some nutjob is suing Bush is not the same as believing that it actually happened.

Believing this woman's story is putting you dangerously close to chemtrail territory.

[Dinger]

117. How Are You So Damn Sure She Was Mentally Ill?

I'll wait for your answer.

[superduperfarleft]

132. Accusing George Bush of personally coming to her house and raping her and her husband

is insane. It's called common sense.

I swear, this is like arguing with a creationist...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

134. Actually, Bush is insane. He blew up frogs as a kid, he laughed when a mentally

incapacitated woman was executed, he started a war based on lies causing over a million deaths. The man hasn't a conscience and fits the category of being a sociopath. I put nothing passed him.

Take a look at the legal filings in this case. They were all filed by Margie, she had no lawyer acting on her behalf. She had to have something upstairs to be able to do that. She also didn't seek the publicity that this case could have brought.

Let me add that it is highly unusual when a woman takes her own life with a gun.

[superduperfarleft]

135. Bush is a sociopath, he is not insane.

Sociopaths can function normally, paranoid schizophrenics cannot (without treatment).

I find it sad that a mentally disturbed woman killed herself. I do not take her psychotic ramblings as fact, though, and people taking this as fact are as bad as the rightwingers claiming Hillary Clinton suicided Vince Foster.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

139. You're right sociopaths are not insane.

[Dinger]

118. Is that you george? (nt)

[superduperfarleft]

133. Nope, not George.

This is George: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6434031&mesg_id=6436504

I'm just a random member of Bu$hitler's secret cabal of illuminati. And we're COMING FOR YOU NEXT! BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Dinger]

119. You're A Threadshitter And bu$h Defender superduperfar"left"

Something tells me you're done it before.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

124. Huh?

What gives you the idea that I am trying to shut you up?

[Peregrine Took]

129. You've got to fight fire with fire. n/t

[Name removed]

83. Deleted sub-thread

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[lonestarnot]

55. I didn't look at ea response to see if someone actually posted a link to a pic, but I did see one

here of him a long time ago.

[SoCalDem]

65. Here's the one I have saved

and a little blurb about Ms. Welch

[lonestarnot]

81. Yes, that's the one I saw here long ago.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

63. Found a collage with him in it.

[gauguin57]

70. My approach is to say, instead, "isn't it amazing how Teddy turned his life to one of service"?

I want these right-wingers, who thump their bibles in our faces, to see Teddy Kennedy's story as a story of amazing, almost unprecendented redemption.

Teddy Kennedy made one really horrible mistake (and a few less horrible ones) ... he has apologized for it, and has spent the rest of his life making up for it: serving his state, his country and his family. That's what his Catholic faith was all about ... he asked for forgiveness, he amended his life, he took care of his family and those of his brothers, he did countless acts of charity for individuals (in secret ... not for publicity or votes), and he worked his ass off to make things better for the downtrodden and voiceless in this society.

That's an amazing story!! The bible-thumpers need to see this is a Christian story of redemption. If they can't, they're not Christians, now, are they?

I don't feel the need to trot Laura Bush's accident (which really is not comparable to what Teddy did ... hers was a true accident; his was an accident that required bravery of him, and he behaved very, very badly). If the Repugs can't see this as a redemption story, talking about Laura Bush isn't going to make a dent in their thick skulls. So fuck 'em.

[Balbus]

80. Best answer yet.

[redqueen]

91. +1

[woo me with science]

101. Excellent, excellent post. nt

[woo me with science]

75. Give it a rest, already. nt

[slackmaster]

90. Laura Bush has never held a public office

Her past does not matter.

Comparing her treatment to that of Senator Kennedy is apples-to-oranges.

K&U

:kick:

[votenovember2008]

136. hmmmm

I understand all the frustration, but I think there's a difference in the two accidents. One of the victims of the accidents was not recovered for quite sometime. I'm just saying . . .

May back fire on us.

[WI_DEM]

140. this is silly.

[Obamanaut]

141. Laura was 17, the boy was about the same. It was a dark night.

They were both doing about 50 mph at right angles. According to police reports there was not alcohol involved. The father of the boy, according to one article, was in a vehicle behind the victim and witnessed the accident and never protested the findings.

EMK was older than 17, married, in public life. MJK was over 17, single, at a party with married men and other single women, with no wives around. There was alcohol involved.

Different stories. Both had tragic consequences. Let it go.

[proud2BlibKansan]

142. Someone posted the police report here a couple years ago

and a newspaper article. Don't remember if his picture was included :shrug: