The Duggars are pregnant again.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

This will be number 19.

[Buzz Clik]

1. who?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. They are a well known fundamentalist family who have their own reality show

about having lots of children. The new addition will be their 19th.

http://www.duggarfamily.com/

[bdamomma]

2. unbelieveable

[tosh]

3. Oh, is this the fundie mega-family that made the morning show

rounds a few months ago?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

7. They have their own reality show and have been making the rounds on tv for the last few years.

Announcing each year about being pregnant, once again.

[Vinca]

4. Hey . . . no babies, no television show.

[cbdo2007]

68. Actually...they had many, many, many kids before they had their own show.

[ccharles000]

6. Why would they want so many?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. In their eyes, each child is a blessing from their lord.

[CrispyQ]

25. 6.7 billion miracles is enough.

;)

Stolen from a bumper sticker I saw - back when it was only 6 billion miracles.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

27. Great slogan for a bumper sticker! :)

[theHandpuppet]

31. Love it!!

I've got to get one of those!

[Craftsman]

55. In mine as well. My wife and I ha tried for 3 years until our twins were born.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

83. My ex-husband and I* were infertile for 7 years. With the help of modern medicine,

cutting edge technology we had our first. My second child, with no help at all, 3 1/2 years later was more than a wanted surprise. I do not consider them "blessings" from any lord but from the will and desire not to give up.

At 22 and 18 they are great loves of my life.

*We both had fertility issues

[tekisui]

10. Rating$$$. I wouldn't be surprised if it was in their contracts.

The network may pay them extra for each child they have while doing the show.

[HughBeaumont]

15. Quiverful -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull

"Retaykin' the Republic in the nayme of JAY-SUS!!!, one baby at a tahm!"

Yes folks, childbirth and motherhood should be all about dominionist freak fantasies of an Evangelical Manifest Destiny.

[slay]

167. Yeah the quiverfull people are Creepy

with the capital C

[Recursion]

17. People take "quiver full" seriously

*shrug*

[Darth_Kitten]

20. His quiver sure has been full.

:hide:

[Recursion]

42. Good old Psalm 127

"Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate."

Oddly, it's mostly women that describe their quivers as being full (at least if you can trust the blogs -- conservative Christian women blog incessantly, and some of them incredibly well; the men, not so much), despite the language of the Psalm.

[MichellesBFF]

40. They're replacing the one that just got married

The house must feel empty to them!

[Craftsman]

59. Their oldest is married and his wife is expecting.

[MountainLaurel]

57. They're creating an army for God

Google "Quiverfull movement"

[Javaman]

65. Or opposing baseball teams. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

162. Or a basketball tournament.

[Javaman]

179. or a ping pong league. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

180. You beat me! lol!

[redqueen]

67. They're afraid non-Christians are going to outnumber them.

They see it as a battle.

Religion-induced insanity, in other words.

[fascisthunter]

71. lol... yup, and it's futile

[jmowreader]

117. Read Psalm 127

Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed,
but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

The Duggars are adherents--perhaps the most famous adherents--to the Quiverfull movement, which calls for having as many kids as you can, just as fast as you can. If you're a QF, as they sometimes call themselves, you strive to get pregnant again just as soon as you've recovered from the last pregnancy. IIRC it takes six to eight weeks to get the muscles back to the point where the kid won't just fall out (shades of the "Miracle of Birth: The Third World" segment of Monty Python's The Meaning of Life, so you're looking at one, perhaps two children in a single calendar year.

I think this is extremely irresponsible behavior in that it can't be good for the woman, the siblings who wind up raising the children, the environment, the kids themselves, and I'm certain when God said to be fruitful and multiply he didn't mean "multiply until you're past the point of being able to care for your kids properly, then have three or four more."

[TransitJohn]

9. These fuckers need to get some brains.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. I forgot about that photo!

:rofl:

[Red Knight]

22. HA-HA-HA! Great pic!

I almost choked on my cereal. :)

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[guitar man]

50. or...

"It's not a Pez dispenser!

:rofl:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

73. ......

:rofl:

[a kennedy]

11. who really cares.....

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Stevenmarc]

12. A very large and very heavy Bible needs to fall into Bob Duggars lap

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. or on his nuts.......

[woodsprite]

54. I have a friend on my "Moms" group who was given a

complimentary tubal ligation at the time of her c-section - unapproved by her or her husband and un-noted on the pre-op paperwork. She said the doc and his staff kept asking since this was her 3 daughter, didn't she want them to do a ligation while they had her open. Needless to say, they're taking action against the doctor.

Something like *THAT* should happen to Mrs Duggar. She's nuts! She probably needs to have her girly bits sewn shut so they don't fall out too early. She must be on IV calcium and iron supplements. My OB said that, if you do nothing other than normal healthy diet (meaning no additional supplementation), that it takes a woman's body 2 yrs to fully recover from childbirth. If pregnancies are closer than that, they need to pay extra attention to nutrition/supplementation.

[Maru Kitteh]

109. I have heard of surgeons tying tubes against the will of the patient. Those MF'ers should be sued

hard and deep, and then relieved of their ability to practice medicine in all US states and territories.

[Crunchy Frog]

147. The "action" that they take against that doctor

should involve his testicles and a pair of gardening shears.

[buzzycrumbhunger]

13. Damn.

Why is it the people who should least be breeding are the ones who do it so much and so easily? I swear, this is why evolution is screeching to a standstill this century. . . *insert Rodney Dangerfield massively eye-rolling emoticon here*

[TransitJohn]

14. Idiocracy.

Good movie.

[Historic NY]

16. Does she have a zipper built in? Imagine if they didn't have a health care plan.

[Darth_Kitten]

19. Someone should intervene and give them the talk........

:)

[HughBeaumont]

21. We get it Jim. You fundies can do the "sex" thing. 19 times.

[TheCowsCameHome]

23. Is it illegal to have sex with a vending machine?

[lunatica]

26. Idiocracy

It's not just a funny movie

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

39. I wanna be Beef Supreme.

:-)

[PVnRT]

92. Welcome to Costco. I love you.

[customerserviceguy]

28. This can't simply be a normal kid this time out

I mean, hey, they've got to compete with the Octomom and the fake Gosselin divorce if they want to succeed in that "overbreeders" category of dreck that is television. Maybe a "special needs" child would do it, that always gets the little blue-haired old ladies to reach for their hankies.

[hlthe2b]

29. Horrendously selfish pair, those...

And, I would think just the opposite, if they had chosen to adopt atleast some of these kids. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

[kimmylavin]

138. I'm with you.

If they actually cared about children in general, they would have adopted a boatload of them.

If they actually cared about their own children, they would have stopped a while ago.
How can parents spend any quality time with one of 16? 17? 18? 19?
And the older kids have probably been mother's helpers since they could walk.

But hey - if it gets you a tv show, right? :eyes:

[ejpoeta]

30. i keep thinking that maybe if people ignore them they will go away.

i find myself torn... because they should have the ability to choose to have so many kids, I guess, and then on the other hand I feel it to be kind of irresponsible to have that many kids. I have five siblings and I remember my older sisters taking care of the rest of us. I guess it's their business.... but then why do they have to go on national tv and announce every pregnancy?? I am pregnant too. can i go on national tv and tell everyone all about it?? granted, i am almost done now... due in a couple of weeks. but this is number three, so i guess it's not as noteworthy as it would be if it were number 19. I have a cousin who is going to have number 10 soon... maybe she should get media attention too.

[kimmylavin]

140. Good luck with your upcoming third!

:hi:

[ejpoeta]

157. thanks.

[Joe Bacon]

32. Nice to know that Idiotcracy is really coming true.

Amazing...

[Solly Mack]

33. Good. Because I bet they'd make it to 20. Have twins!! You can do it!

My wallet is all about the quiverfull of dollars.

[bertman]

34. How do you get to spend quality time with 19 children? It's like living in a petting zoo.

Pat each one on the head once a day, then back to the bedroom for more insemination time with mama.

[blueamy66]

38. The don't.

They make their older children take care of the younger ones.

Jesus, stop already.

[PatGund]

74. SImple....

When the child is born, the oldest daughter not already taking care of a child is assigned the care of the newborn. The Duggars (like most "Quiverful" families) believe that will prepare the daughter for their future intended role as a wife and mother.

[MisterP]

135. it's called "Ponzi parenting" n/t

[OwnedByFerrets]

35. Selfish idiots make me want to puke.

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[OwnedByFerrets]

93. Amazing that you know me so well. Better than even my wife.

Maybe we should have dinner since we are so very close and you know everything there is to know about me.
Oh, btw. FO.

[Name removed]

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[MilesColtrane]

36. Verily sayeth the Lord, the Jim Bobs shall inherit the Earth.

[carlyhippy]

37. I can't help but wonder if deep down inside Mrs. D is eagerly awaiting menopause

she has been pregnant over half her lifetime now, this can't be comfortable. I am willing to bet that most of the kids will only have 1-2 kids each when they get married and have children.

[spinbaby]

41. The oldest is married

And working on his "quiverful."

Honestly, I don't know how the poor woman's uterus hasn't fallen out.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

51. His first is expected to be delivered in about a month. They were on too. The DIL called

Michelle, Mrs. Duggar. :banghead:

[LibDemAlways]

84. I noticed that too. I have a friend whose father-in-law

called her aside on her wedding day and told her she could call him and his wife Mr. and Mrs. X. He's a cold fish, so maybe that was a little peek into what MIchelle is really like.

[kimmylavin]

141. Just the opposite here!

My MIL and FIL teased me every time I called them Mr. and Mrs. X!
Now I go with the Mom and Dad, and I love it... :)

[catbyte]

56. Duggars = freaks

They seriously creeped me out this morning on the Today Show, especially the way that daughter-in-law called her mother-in-law "Mrs. Duggar". Seriously, who does that? It tells you a lot about the family dynamics! :eyes:

And the way that Meredith was sucking up to them made me grateful I don't eat breakfast! :puke:

Why are freakishly large families so popular? I think it's horrifying and completely irresponsible for people to bring so many children into the world. And it seems to be mainly religious nutbags, which is the LAST thing we need. I've always been a live-and-let-live person as far as religious beliefs go, but lately I've developed a strong aversion to organized religion--especially evangelical Christians. I can't think of an ideology that's more detrimental to all of us.
Ick,

Diane

Anishnabe and Proud

"Idiocracy" is a documentary

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

69. i luckily watched this on an empty stomach too. When the daughter in law called Michelle

Mrs. Duggar, I almost had the dry heaves.

These people are truly alien to me.

[Xithras]

102. Why is that alien?

My wife calls my mother by her last name. The two aren't even remotely close to each other. That sort of thing isn't abnormal in in-law relationships where there is little or no actual friendship.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

121. It seems from you and another poster, this is not so rare. I have never

grown up with such formality and in fact, find it exceptionally uncomfortable. My parents' friends were "aunts and uncles". or I addressed them by their first names as I did my mother-in-law. Same with my siblings and their in-laws, as well as everyone else I knew/know. But hey, I'm a NYer and I guess we're familiar like that.

[Xithras]

125. As you said, you're friends.

My wife is on a first name basis with my dad, who adores her. My mother, on the other hand, wouldn't mind me becoming a widower. My wife shares the same opinion in regards to my mother. The relationship is formal because the formal relationship is all that exists between them.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

154. I never said I was friends with my ex-mother-law. To the contrary.

[slackmaster]

43. It takes all kinds of people to make this world go around

People of average intelligence are also the most fertile.

[Kalyke]

44. "They" are not pregnant again. SHE is.

Her poor, poor body.

All he has to do is stick it in and get off. SHE has to suffer indigestion, nausea, backaches and, finally, childbirth, for nine months.

:eyes:

[Javaman]

64. My first thought as well.

At this point, this poor woman is nothing more than a poster child for right wings baby factory .

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

66. She said today that her morning sickness was a good sign that all is well with the new

baby. And you're right, she's the one who has to bear all of the difficulties.

With my second and last, I had morning sickness for almost five months and it was awful.

[anigbrowl]

131. Hey, she's not chained to the bed

There's nothing stopping her asking for the pill or any other contraceptive method, other than her own beliefs. She wouldn't be the first woman to like being pregnant. As far as I'm concerned she has equal responsibility here so I'm not going to buy into any victimology on her behalf.

[Jennicut]

45. OMG, what is wrong with these people? That women has probably shortened her life span

I had two kids back to back...and ended up diabetic. My daughters were 12 and half months apart. My endocrinologist said I probably lowered my immune system because my body did not fully heal. Crazy...but who cares when it's in God's name, right??? :sarcasm:

[NotThisTime]

47. Are you talking about the mother who just had a baby? Seriously?Another one?The DIL is pregnant too

more nutjobs for the world...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

52. The very same.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

58. They are now a trending topic on Twitter and it's fun reading the tweets.

http://twitter.com/#search?q=Duggars

My favorite ones so far-
dizzygirl OMG, the Duggars are expecting their 19th child. I wish she's stop throwing her working ovaries in my face. She's just showing off now.

RachaelCarr LOL... Take it away... RT @freakshowmikey: Duggars are having ANOTHER kid!! HAHA! Vagina is NOT a clown car, just sayin.....

[defendandprotect]

48. Disgusting . . . another TLC disaster ---

[tabbycat31]

49. i'm still waiting for one of the kids to break away from the family

preferably a girl to lead a normal life. Cut her hair, wear pants, and pursue a career outside the home. I wonder what kind of shock the Duggars would have over that?

[snooper2]

75. There a bunch of sites dedicated to Free Jinger Duggar!

http://freejinger.org/


From one of the threads here...
http://freejinger.yuku.com/

Ok- where to start....

-Jessa and Jill couldn't keep their kids-------sorry buddies----quiet and Michelle looked pissed about that.
-Jinger was wearing a knee high skirt?! Go Jinger!
-The Green pregnancy shirt is back! (I am going to buy her a new one and mail it to her!)
-Smugger does not look so cocky now that his baby is a month away and there is nobody except Anna to dump it off on--fun times ova!
-Anna looks GREAT!

[LibDemAlways]

78. There is a cousin named Amy who appears on some of the

episodes. She's a breath of fresh air. Looks and dresses more like someone from the 21st century than the 19th. I keep waiting for her to steal one of the Duggar girls away and introduce her to the real world.

[Dorian Gray]

53. Holy clown car....

damn.

[Soylent Brice]

60. simply put: this is the religious fundies attempt at "breeding us heathens out" or "outbreeding us"

period.

mission from gawd, go hence forth and multiply, thy ancestors shall be as the number of stars in heaven, blah blah blah, etc etc etc.

[ThatsMyBarack]

61. Hasn't Mama Michelle hit menopause yet?

Close your damn legs, woman! :argh:

[LibDemAlways]

76. She's only 44. She's probably got a few more years unless

the menopause god takes notice and shuts down the machinery after this one.

[MisterP]

136. well, when she does, it'll be "You've outlived your usefulness," a rifle, and the pigs' slop trough

I'm probably not kidding :shudder:

[TwilightGardener]

62. Gross. Close your legs, lady. The Duggar DNA isn't THAT speshul

that we need 19 specimens of it.

[Forkboy]

63. jesus, kids are coming out of her faster than a Chucky Cheese at closing time.

[TransitJohn]

146. You win.

:rofl:

[AspenRose]

155. !

That was just wrong. :spray:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

159. ....

:applause:

[Swamp Rat]

169. LOLOLOL!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[arcadian]

176. Yes. THIS

:rofl:

[fascisthunter]

70. profane

[cbdo2007]

72. Congrats to them.

I feel sorry for all the a-holes on DU who always have to come out and say something rude and negative about stuff like this. Shows a lot about their character.

Who cares if they have 50 kids really? It's their life and they're doing what they want to do without impeding on anyone else. Get over it fools!

[snooper2]

77. ROFL, you should have seen my thread on Missouri

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

79. It took 3 hrours and 6 minutes

:rofl:

[Raineyb]

80. Actually, pendejo, they are impeding on everyone else with their freakish

need to include everyone else into their freak show by announcing yet another freakish pregnancy (and sorry after a certain number it's freakish) for the whole goddamned world to know.

If they kept it to themselves there'd be no news story to link to and have a discussion on.

But then you didn't have to say anything did you?

[catbyte]

86. You're joking, right, cbdo2007?

I keep looking for the little :sarcasm: emoticon, but I don't see it! Having that many kids demonstrates an utter lack of concern for others and of the planet in general. But who gives a rip, right, as long as they're following God's Will!?! That type of selfishness and short-sightedness is what infuriates me about fundamentalists. It excuses them from taking any responsibility for anything. "Quiver full" my Aunt Fanny. Full of shit is more like it. :mad:

Diane

Anishnabe and Proud

[cbdo2007]

97. They aren't doing anything wrong...so what are you expecting them to take responsibility for?

Sure, if they go out and start robbing banks or killing kids or any sorts of other bad shit then they should be held responsible and should not use a "God's will" excuse.

They aren't doing that. They're having kids and for all we know they're teaching them to be good people and teaching them right from wrong. I'm not going to fault them for just "being fundamentalists" because they aren't going around telling other people how to live or believe based on their beliefs.

The number of kids someone has doesn't matter, it's how they're brought up and the impact they make on the world.

[catbyte]

112. What makes you think it's ok

to reproduce endlessly just because you can? It's selfish, evil, immoral and wrong.

Diane

Anishnabe and Proud

"Idiocracy" is a documentary

[cbdo2007]

133. The same way I think it's ok for me to eat 1000 cheeseburgers this year.

Is it stupid? Yes

Do I think it's a good idea? Probably Not

Are there better things for me to do with the money? Definitely

Could other people use the food more than me? Sure

Am I ultimately hurting anyone by doing it? No - so get over it!

There are plenty of horrible people in the world that are doing much, much worse things to other people and to society in general than a tiny group of people who want to have as many kids as they can.

[catbyte]

156. So I'm not allowed to criticize?

I'm not pushing to outlaw such repugnant behavior, even though I think that the IRS should cap dependent deductions at 2 and start charging tax at 3 dependents. Why should people be rewarded for irresponsible behavior?

This is America--I can criticize whoever the hell I want. YOU get over it! Geeze... :boring:

Diane

Anishnabe and Proud

[anigbrowl]

132. Well, here's a thought

Even if they conserve water and don't leave the lights on, they're going to have a heck of a lot bigger environmental footprint than a family that has 2 kids.

[blueamy66]

152. Crap. All of their kids

are gonna be freaks. They are brought up like they live in an orphanage. They are homeschooled by a mother that is constantly pregnant and never socialize with any other kind of family but fundamentalist Christian ones.

Please...I can only wish that one of the daughters breaks free and lives her own life.

[Tesha]

107. And the planet gas an *INFINITE* carrying capacity and

Dog will provide a pink pony to everyone who really needs one!

Tesha

[Iggo]

81. Those fuckers!

[conspirator]

158. Literally nt

[Eurobabe]

82. Is she still on her first uterus?

Good grief. :eyes:

[Arkansas Granny]

85. I'm not trying to start a flamefest here, but there's something about DU that I don't understand.

How is it that we can all support choice until someone wants to have a large family? I always thought that choice worked both ways. I don't understand the need or desire to have a family that large, but I don't see any reason to demonize those who do.

[Rebubula]

87. Shhhh...

...do not intrude on the hate.

I do agree with you...I do not understand the hatred to these people. They seem to love their children and be sincere in their insanity. They are not harming anyone.

It just goes to show that irrational hatred for those different than us is not solely the property of the Right wing assholes.

[theHandpuppet]

91. See post #72 for your answer

And I agree with that poster, BTW.

[krispos42]

94. It's about using the rights responsibly, I think

Same way I can be pro-gun AND call the people running around at health-care protests with pistols and rifles "idiots".

First off, their Christian faith seems to include using her womb as some kind of baby-factory for making Christian warriors to fight for Jesus.


But aside from that, without massive welfare from government and private citizens they would all be starving to death. She might have given birth to 18 kids but less than a third of them would be alive... if it wasn't for that handout.

It's her choice. It doesn't mean it's a good choice, or a smart choice.

[Melinda]

110. I've looked and looked for proof the Duggars rely on or have relied on public assistance

and I come up with nothing. Everything I've read and seen on the teevee states they are financially self-reliant. Can you share your resources, please? Apprciate it, thanks.

[KatieW]

123. That's my understanding too, that they are not taking any government assistance.

I also agree with those who say it's none of our business how many kids they have. They seem to be able to support them (without government assistance), the kids are educated and seem happy. Would I want that many children? No way. But it's not up to me to tell anyone how many children they can bring into the world. Just like it's none of my business to tell a woman if she can or can't have an abortion.

One thing that I may support is that after a certain number of kids you can not take them as a deduction on your income tax, or have some type of sliding scale after a certain number of kids as to what you can deduct on your income tax. But again, it's not up to me to tell anyone how many kids they can have.

[krispos42]

124. In the articles I read from the last blow-up over this....

...I believe I read that their community donates a lot to them and that baby-item makers (like Pampers) give them stuff as well.

I checked Wikipedia... looks like the Dad is a former state legislator who make real-estate investments during the real-estate balloon that enabled him to make enough money to keep his kids fed and housed. And he and his wife started one of those "financial freedom" seminars, so that might have made him some cash as well. Then he got a nice big house from the Discovery Channel and some other corporate sponsors before the balloon deflated, so that's nice as well.

[Melinda]

137. Thanks for the reply, but I still don't see where they receive public assistance.

:shrug:

[krispos42]

143. Well, I said "public and private"... but you're right

For some reason I thought they were worse off than they are... I might have been thinking of Octomom. :dunce:

I mean, I'm sure they take their tax deductions for so many kids but they don't seem to take WIC or food stamps or anything.

[buzzycrumbhunger]

166. They DO get public assistance

. . . of a sort. They have declared their family a church so they can pay no taxes. Best argument for undoing that bullshit once and for all. Otherwise, we all need to declare ourselves deities and get going on that paperwork so we can get equal treatment.

Obviously, these QF cretins took a page from the catholic church (do muslims do this, too?) and it's a race to see who can choke out the planet first. Will they reach a point where war is inevitable? If so, will there be space for the rest of us to sit out Armageddon until they've wiped each other out?

[cbdo2007]

139. They own car dealerships and apartment complexes in the Fayetteville, AR area

I don't think you make money from the "financial freedom" seminars cause the whole point of it is to get out of debt so they do it as a free service to their church.

Sure, they got perks from Discovery Channel but they are in no way a drain on the community or asking for handouts.

Jon and Kate on the other hand give talks at churches around the country where they pass around the collection plate for them and sell autographed pictures for $20 each. The Duggars don't do that kind of stuff.

[krispos42]

144. See my reply above n/t

[Melinda]

148. Thanks.

:hi:

[nonconformist]

151. I'm no Duggar fan, but they actually did build that house themselves.

They only hired a contractor at the end to do the finish work. I think it took them years to gather supplies and build that large house.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

127. Except for the huge government rebate checks they received, they are financially

self-sufficient. They have their TLC show and also people buy into Jim Bob's motivational biz...probably because he's a fundie and the kids.

[Maru Kitteh]

106. I agree with you AG. Plus, so very few women would even want more than a dozen kids that it's

really not rationally arguable as an issue of impact.

More and more couples and individuals are exercising their choice and option to remain childless all the time. The growing contingent of childless by choice, an option previously not very practical in history, more than offsets the few families who choose to have many children.

I do not disparage reproductive choice, period.

[Melinda]

108. The irony positively drips here at times, doesn't it?

By all accounts the Duggars are positive, happy, well adjusted people of faith who love one another. I'm with you... I don't get the harshness at all. :shrug:

[theHandpuppet]

118. Well then, GET THIS

If just one couple has 20 children and each of those children has only half the children of their parents, then we're talking one couple, the Duggars, adding TWO FUCKING HUNDRED & TWENTY people to the population in just two generations. By the time Mr. and Mrs. Duggar are in their dotage there's no telling how many descendants they may have. This is about taking some freaking responsibility for the planet, not just gratifying some need to be "happy" no matter what the consequences. The Duggars are already making carbon footprints the size of Montana, but hey, let's let hundreds more of them do the same, all the while thumbing their nose at any notion of personal responsibility. After all, why worry about stupid things like global warming, conservation, et al when Jeebus has commanded you to make it your mission to fill every square inch of the planet with more humans.

If you can't get THAT, then I understand why you can't ken why people are FED UP with this kind of freaking selfishness.

Edited to add: And taken to its extreme, if each of the Duggar's children would have 20 children, that's 400 GRANDCHILDREN. Now extrapolate that yet another generation. Do you get the math? Do you get it now?

[gkhouston]

122. Just because their kids grew up in big families doesn't mean they'll want one.

My grandmother was one of 23 and by the time she got married, she already spent enough time raising little brothers and sisters. My dad was an only child. Several of her brothers and sisters chose to remain childless, most had two kids, one had four kids.

[blueamy66]

153. Is that why the first born's

new wife was pregnant with her first after 2 months of marriage?

[Melinda]

126. Well in that case then, it must be time to escalate even more war.

Gosh, just imagine how much carbon foot printing would be saved with the deaths of millions more people (as long as they aren't OUR people)! OR, how about in 'Merica we pursue forced sterilization of parents receiving public assistance, and/or implimentation of those pesky death panels? :sarcasm:

One can extrapolate the above kind of numbers ad infinitum, but your argument doesn't negate the liberal principles I believe in. I can't and won't carry a banner proclaiming pro-choice for some, or life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for a chosen few. As long as the Duggars responsibly and financially parent their children, then I'll stand behind their choice to do so.

Reproductive rights rightfully apply across the political spectrum - not just the left.

And finally - We may disagree, but I'd never speak/write to you on a message board as if you were somehow less than I... I've never believed in talking down to a person or dismissing them because their opinion is diametrically different from my own. I GOT your argument long ago, and while full of merit, it or others leveled does not, imo, justify the animosity toward the Duggars on this thread.

*Edited to add 2nd sentence, sarcasm smilie, and restructure a sentence.

[theHandpuppet]

129. Maybe you ought to examine your own hypocrisy

Comparing a call for some shred of reproductive responsibility to a wish for war and murder to kill millions? That's exactly the kind of crap that frustrates people such as myself who would even DARE to broach the subject of overpopulation and personal responsibility, even here on DU.

Being disgusted by the kind of selfish, reproductive irresponsiblity exhibited by the Duggars is no more at odds with being a liberal than being disgusted by any number of self-serving behaviors that are turning this planet into a flaming cesspool. The fact that the Duggars themselves are exploiting their selfishness for profit and encouraging others to follow in their footsteps is sickening.

Despite what some might believe, being "a liberal" doesn't mean you simply throw any notions of personal responsibility into the trash heap. Quite the opposite.

[Melinda]

134. In my haste to get out the door, I inadvertently omitted the sarcasm smilie.

My bad, it's there now along with a 2nd sentence calling for death panels and forced sterilization (edited late as I was rushing out the door when I posted that response).

Did you/do you really believe that I was calling for war and death? Honestly?

I'll not back down from agreeing with AG; I don't understand the demonizing toward the Duggars, nor the personal animosity shown to me by you. "Personal responsibility" is just that - personal. Tossing ugly diatribes and hate speech around on a message board isn't going to change the world, nor bend the Duggars and their like to your call for "Personal responsibility".

Demonizing is what Beck, Bachmann, O'Reilly and Palin do. So in the immortal words of John Lennon, "When you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out". Or like my mama used to say "You get more flies with honey then you do with vinegar". Want to send a message? Leav out the "demonizing. That's MY point.

Take care, I am out.

[Raineyb]

177. I don't consider the foisting of a newborn on its older sister to raise in place of its mother

remotely well adjusted or healthy. Do you?

[brendan120678]

119. Because the Duggar family is going to...

single-handedly destroy the environment! Duh!

:sarcasm:

[JI7]

175. Who here is calling for a ban on her right to have so many fucking kids ?

we are making fun of it and criticizing them for it.

[krispos42]

88. *sigh*

[Name removed]

90. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[krispos42]

98. Point taken

Although I get to use that picture so rarely...

[astrid14]

100. What about a clown car?

(Had to look that one up when I kept seeing it on here...)

[krispos42]

103. One's about a woman's sexuality, one isn't.

IIRC it's been on here before. However if you think it breaks the rules, feel free to alert on it for the moderators to discuss.

[Name removed]

101. Deleted message

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[undeterred]

95. At least she has them one at a time.

[krispos42]

104. IIRC several of them were twins.

Oy...

[Arkana]

99. That family is creepy as FUCK.

And those kids are going to need years of therapy.

[kjackson227]

105. They have a SERIOUS case of OCD. How on earth do they give...

each child the attention they need. I think they're sick.

[ronnykmarshall]

111. Oh dear.

[flvegan]

113. Wait...where are all the Deleted subthreads?

C'mon, I expected this thread to be like Apocalypse Now.

[maxsolomon]

114. Menopause, I summon thee!

visit her soon.

[TheMightyFavog]

115. I now have a disturbing mental image...

Of someone taking a cocktail frank and moving it rapidly in and out of the wide open doors of the NASA Vehicle Assembly Building at Cape Kennedy.

[reflection]

130. I've got espresso down the front of my shirt.

Thanks.

:spray:

[jannyk]

142. OMFG!! DUzy Alert!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

150. ....

:rofl:

[TheMightyFavog]

116. I am reminded of a Bill hicks Routine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pe9zw9iQK8

[Nostalgic]

120. I'd hate to be in a family with that many kids in it.

Their house must feel/be chaotic!

And the parents probably wouldn't have much money left for anything else!

[AngryAmish]

128. Her body, her choice

[earth mom]

145. The Duggers are selfish fuckwit assholes who don't give a damn about the planet.

:puke:

[slutticus]

149. "Put. The dick. Down!" -- Chris Rock

[skier_]

160. Amazes me,

you'd think such "caring" people might want to adopt, how many children are in foster homes in the United States?

[ThatsMyBarack]

161. Welcome to DU, skier_!

:hi:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

168. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Raineyb]

178. They don't give a shit about children. They're more concerned with controlling women's bodies.

Feigning concern for children has been a means to that end but I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking they actually give a shit about all these children once they're born.

[Deja Q]

163. Why not give her fertility pills; make the next 19 pop out in parallel and save her all those years?

:hide:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

165. OMG! That would make a great musical scene ala Busby Berkley!

:hide: too ;)

[Raine]

164. Good God

will they never stop!!!! :banghead:

[GoCubsGo]

170. No, "The Duggars" are not pregnant.

Mrs. Duggar is pregnant. The last I heard, men still cannot become pregnant. Unless Mr. Duggar is a sea horse or a formerly female transexual, there is no "are" about this. Sorry for being so cranky about this, but I'm a biologst, and hearing that a couple is "pregnant" drives me crazy.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

171. You're right.

[Ilsa]

172. I guess they don't get a tax credit for this many. I doubt they pay

$40,000 in taxes to run a crdit against.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

173. Why the hate?

These people are not on public assistance, not abusive, and seem happy. I don't understand why there are people on this board who dislike the Duggars choice to have as many children as they want? The Duggars might be famous, but they are not uncommon. My 45 year old cousin is a conservative Christian and has 11 kids. All of the kids are happy and healthy. A coworker of mine is a "motivated Baptist" and has 10 kids, all home schooled. His wife will probably have even more children.

I live in the San Francisco Bay area, where I see a ton of 30 somethings, single with no kids. Personally, I think the Duggars are a breath of fresh air.

[mrbarber]

174. Feel bad for those kids.

No way are they getting the attention they need from Mom and Dad that is so important for a child to grow into a healthy adult.