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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:03 AM
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(Jaycee Lee Dugard) Girl's alleged abductor had rape desire
Edited on Tue Sep-01-09 11:06 AM by Emit
Source: AP

SAN FRANCISCO – The man accused of abducting and sexually abusing Jaycee Lee Dugard testified during a previous kidnapping and rape case that he prowled through residential neighborhoods as a Peeping Tom and fantasized about raping women.

During his 1977 kidnapping trial, Phillip Garrido also said he leered at girls as young as seven and 10, and he admitted to exposing himself to some of them.

He testified that LSD and cocaine acted as sexual stimulants, and that he frequently masturbated and often in public places including the "side of schools, grammar schools and high schools, in my own car while I was watching young females."

The portrait of the 58-year-old Garrido comes from trial transcripts and a psychiatric report from unrelated case files made public Monday, as well as TV interviews broadcast Tuesday. In that case, Garrido was convicted in Reno, Nev., of kidnapping a stranger. He later admitted to raping her in a rented storage unit described by investigators as a "sex palace" with items for playing out his sexual fantasies.

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Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090901/ap_on_re_us/us_kidnapped_girl_garrido_testimony;_ylt=AlwxgNuPbSCmc.KMWi3K4e534T0D;_ylu=X3oDMTM4NXUxMDRxBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwOTAxL3VzX2tpZG5hcHBlZF9naXJsX2dhcnJpZG9fdGVzdGltb255BGNwb3MDNgRwb3MDMwRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmV



I can't believe this guy was released from prison here in Nevada! (He served only seven months for the rape detailed in this piece!) The details of his 1976 rape are horrific, including the fact that his warehouse space he used to rape women "had rugs, a spotlight, a movie projector, pornographic magazines, wine and sex toys." This is down right chilling.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:04 AM
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1. But when I comment that crimnals like this should not be let out early...
I am told that I'm angry and overreacting.

*sigh*
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:16 AM
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3. To me --
if the crime was violent, the perp should serve the full sentance. I am OK with early release for good behavior for nonviolent crimes.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:18 AM
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5. No argument there. (nt)
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:49 AM
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12. Geez...
...what kind of a moron would support early release for sexual predators???

You may be angry, but you are not overreacting...
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:16 PM
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16. Anyone advocating
for the early release of violent sex offenders isn't a liberal; they are delusional. Rehabilitation is rarely successful for guys like this. They need to be kept off the streets and away from our women and children.

If that makes me one of the angry and overreacting, then I am happy to join you in that crowd.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 02:05 PM
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30. I'm opposed to keeping them BEYOND their sentence...
...or to imposing extra-sentence penalities, but not to completing their sentences. My impression is that's how most folks respond. Has your experience been different?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 02:17 PM
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31. Yes. (nt)
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:12 AM
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2. if that were my daughter he wouldnt have been able to rape again
and you know why.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:21 AM
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6. I know what you mean. Being "liberal" only goes so far with these fucks.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:22 AM
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7. You'd get them the therapy they need?
:rofl:
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:52 PM
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21. That should be part of the sentence...take it all off!
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:17 AM
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4. This is more than just someone who needs prison
it's someone who needs to be institutionalised

...and yes, I am another person who is AGAINST early release...and I am told I am "mean"

in these cases, the criminal is NOT the victim,
this man clearly premeditated and acted out his issues many times even before resorting to abduction to relieve his 'needs'...

the horror that poor girl and her daughters underwent is unimaginable. The history this man had before he even GOT to Jaycee is sickening, I can't believe that he wasn't arested, or SOMETHING for masturbating in public, etc BEFORE any of this occurred.
I am apalled, words can't describe.
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dugaresa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:25 AM
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8. he should have never been let out based on that information
transfered from prison to a mental hospital at best, but never let out to walk among the rest of the populace again.

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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:27 AM
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9. With a profile like that...
this is someone who should have been watched MUCH more closely. From that description alone he should have been pegged as being a serial rapist. And now it appears there is some speculation he may be a serial killer.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:46 AM
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10. he could have been part of a sex ring and officials could have been in it
who knows but the lack of interest by the authorities makes you wonder they weren't in with him too?

this man should have been treated for his condition years ago.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:47 AM
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11. Lead therapy works well...
in these situations.
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:51 AM
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13. Condition...
"this man should have been treated for his condition years ago"

If by treated, you mean taken out back and put two bullets in the back of his head - then I agree.

Anything less is just sweeping back the ocean...
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:59 AM
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14. I find it odd in a close community that no one really followed him
if a leaf is out of place in our community the neighbors are complaining. You would think the next door neighbors would have hopped the fence and looked inside the tent?
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:11 PM
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15. Meanwhile, what percent of the prison population were kept in for pot smoking?
Nevada, if I recall, has some of the most draconian pot laws on the books --

They had to let this guy go to make room for the serious criminals -- (hippies)
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:22 PM
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19. ding ding ding
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:16 PM
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17. ever have sex with a cocain user?
Edited on Tue Sep-01-09 12:17 PM by notadmblnd
That's right, it doesn't happen often. Cocaine severely diminishes sexual activity. Cocaine is a vasoconstrictor, meaning that it causes blood vessels to constrict, and blood vessels in the penis need to be dilated in order for an erection to occur and cocaine interferes with the body's production of enzymes that are also needed for an erection to occur.

Test done with LSD on rats also resulted in less copulation.

He's using drugs use as an excuse, but cocaine and I doubt LSD caused him to want to commit his crimes
,
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:53 PM
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22. Exactly....
This is a violent predator. Sexual abuse of women and little girls gives him a high, because those crimes inflict
the most damage. It's the damage that gives him the high. He knows that. He knows that he wants to rape women and little girls. He
desires this because he gets off on causing pain to human beings.

Drugs didn't make him do it. He knows that. He's a typical perp in the early stages of his crimes being
revealed. These types blame anyone and anything--except themselves--for what they have done.

We're just now bearing witness to his denial systems. We're learning what deluded thought systems kept
him propped up all of these years.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:03 PM
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25. I have a lot of LSD experience, and that includes sex under the influence.
Edited on Tue Sep-01-09 01:05 PM by Edweird
The mental/psychological arousal was easy for me... the physical arousal -erection- was a little more challenging. It is kind of numb and slow to respond. HOWEVER, once everything is situated and copulation has commenced, it is (for me anyway) an 'on the edge of orgasm' experience for hours and hours. If your partner is up for it, I totally recommend it (for consenting adults).

So, no, I don't believe LSD caused him to do this.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:20 PM
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18. Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" award
A rape desire--is THAT all he had? Shame on us for overreacting by putting him in jail. Yesterday, Randi Rhodes said the authorities visited him regularly, but they never entered his home, never mind his back yard.


rocktivity
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:30 PM
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20. Perhaps some people think that having the cops enter his home or back yard
would be impinging on his rights?

There is certainly no shortage of DUers who argue emphatically for the rights of sex offenders. Though in fairness they are perhaps tailoring those arguments with nonviolent sex offenders or teens who engage in some kind of consensual sexual behavior in mind. We really need to separate the two types of criminals IMO, and not have them all lumped together.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:57 PM
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23. non violent sex offender?
i guess i didn't realize that such a think existed.

all sexual abuse or sex crimes against victims--are violence toward that person.

most sexual abuse of children is not violent. Perps use manipulation, threats and psychological trauma to
get compliance. Rarely do they have to use violence.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:04 PM
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26. I think by non-violent they mean not known to use physical assault.
Edited on Tue Sep-01-09 01:07 PM by caseymoz

Or perhaps not even use physical contact. A flasher or an obscene phone caller are examples. Most you could say that their activities tend to indicate that they would.

And of course, there's the category of men who pay for sex with adult prostitutes-- who are sex offenders by any definition, but who are not violent, and are not proven to do anything non-consensual.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:05 PM
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27. Apparently you can be classed as one for public urination...
or if you're a teen who sends nude pics of yourself to a special friend.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:19 PM
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29. I see...and that makes sense...
If you're urinating in public or sending nude pics to a bf/bf--that certainly would
be nonviolent.

I see what you're saying.
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caseymoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:59 PM
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24. I argued vehemently that law enforcement dropped the ball on this

It wasn't a matter of law enforcement being too timid about violating his rights, either. They didn't even ask boilerplate questions about him or apply standard procedures that anyone but an anarchist would think were violations of rights. Officers did not even ask their own fellow officers questions.

The final frustrating detail: a car matching a description of the one used in the kidnapping was right in the yard!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:06 PM
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28. Heads need to roll for that.
:grr:

I can't read too much about the story as it's a trigger for me... :(
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