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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:47 PM
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OMFG !!! - American Diplomats Advocated "Nuremberg Defense" - Scott Horton\HuffPo
American Diplomats Advocated "Nuremberg Defense"
By Scott Horton
Special to the Huffington Post
First Posted: 09- 1-09 01:28 PM | Updated: 09- 1-09 02:53 PM

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Two newly-obtained documents show how American diplomats during the Bush administration worked tenaciously to incorporate what is commonly known as the Nuremberg Defense into a new international convention addressing enforced disappearances.

The rejection of the notion that government agents could avoid liability for crimes by arguing that they were simply following orders had been a bedrock principle of the American government ever since shortly after the end of World War II, when that defense was employed during the Nuremberg war-crimes trials.

But the new documents, obtained by the ACLU through Freedom of Information Act litigation, show how State Department officials tried to establish what they called "the good soldier defense" -- in this case, the right of government agents charged with seizing and holding people in violation of international law to claim as a defense that they acted in good faith based on representations as to the legality of the conduct they were undertaking.

American officials found themselves "virtually alone" at the negotiating table with this position, facing criticism from long-established allies, the documents show. The efforts occurred in the context of a proposed "Convention on the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearances" in 2004 and 2006.

The documents are available here: http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Declassified1.pdf

and here: http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Declassified2.pdf

Previously released documents show how Bush administration lawyers in the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel gave government agents legal cover to conduct a variety of actions, including torture, that critics say were flatly contrary to domestic law.

"What the OLC memos did on a domestic basis, these documents show American diplomats attempting to do on the international stage," said Joanne Mariner, an analyst at Human Rights Watch with expertise on the U.S. extraordinary renditions program.

The documents show that the diplomats struggled against the prohibition on "disappearings" in other ways as well. They sought an exception from the requirement that it be incorporated in specific criminal legislation, arguing that this was difficult for a federal state to do since criminal law was largely the responsibility of the states. They also opposed the idea that a state be required to disclose basic information about prisoners it holds.

In a 2006 document, American diplomats argue that the new convention should not be a part of the law of armed conflict. This appears designed to lay the foundation for an argument that the prohibition of "disappearings" did not apply during war time, such as the "war on terror."

The effort to ban "disappearings" was of obvious concern to United States diplomats because of the CIA's extraordinary renditions program, under which individuals were seized through extralegal processes around the world and then held in secret prisoners known as "black sites" which the CIA set up in a number of cooperating nations.

Indeed, the program as the Bush Administration operated it appears to be precisely what the draft convention was designed to outlaw. Black sites have previously been identified in Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Morocco, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Thailand. The prisoners held in this system, were initially known as "ghost detainees" because they were held without disclosing their identity to the International Committee of the Red Cross. They were not held on criminal charges or in connection with any legal proceedings whatsoever. This brings their detention within the parameters of "enforced disappearances" covered by the proposed convention.

Before the Bush Administration, the United States viewed "enforced disappearances" as a crime--bringing criminal charges as early as 1946 against German military and government officials who implemented a program under which people were secretly seized and held outside of recourse to any legal process.

More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/01/american-diplomats-advoca_n_274039.html

Un-fucking-believeable...

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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:52 PM
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1. K&R; This needs to be kicked to the front page.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:59 PM
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2. Further proof if any was needed: Republicons have no honor.
Edited on Tue Sep-01-09 09:00 PM by SpiralHawk
Whatsoever.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:19 PM
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5. Yep... And I Guess All Those Admonitions To Not Use Nazi Comparisons...
just flew out the window!

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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:00 PM
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3. Bump this.....
Edited on Tue Sep-01-09 09:00 PM by DearAbby
God damned weasels
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:19 PM
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4. k&r.
We're still not allowed to call them Nazis? How about "oddly Nazi-like behavior"?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:35 PM
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6. Yeah, Huh ???
Kind of ironic, don't you think?

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:40 PM
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7. It is the duty of any soldier to disobey illegal orders.
If you are given such an order, your duty is to question your commanding officer or senior NCO, and to refuse such an order. It is your duty to bring it up if need be OUTSIDE your chain of command...

My lord, I guess I spent four years repeating this mantra to my cadets... and I am sure this was told to many a US Soldier as well... seems our guv'ment under the Republicans hates what is truly the duty of a good soldier, to disobey an illegal order.

Now more than ever, these people NEED TO BE FUCKING TRIED FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:41 PM
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8. The ultimate IOKIYAR.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:50 PM
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9. LOL... I Thought The Election WAS The Intervention, But...
apparently the country just keeps on enabling them.

I guess it's time to lock 'em up.

:evilgrin:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:51 PM
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10. Kick !!!
:kick:
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 11:54 PM
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11. K&R
Edited on Tue Sep-01-09 11:54 PM by burrowowl
Prison for Bu$hCo!
Pappy as well!
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:24 AM
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12. Smart enough to be a CIA "In-Terra-Gator" but didn't pass History 101?
You too could work for BushCo*!!!
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:38 AM
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13. K and R
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 06:59 AM
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14. Kick !!!
:kick:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:45 AM
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15. K&R
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:20 PM
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16. "Obama ... has not yet taken efforts..."
Domestically, the Bush Administration successfully resurrected the "good soldier" or Nuremberg Defense with respect to possible prosecutions relating to the mistreatment of detainees. Administration lawyers incorporated such provisions in the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005; and those provisions were also incorporated in the Military Commissions Act of 2006. The Bush proposals were enacted by Republican-dominated Congresses. Although President Obama has suggested that the Military Commissions Act should be repealed, he has not yet taken efforts to do so.

Too much drama for Obama.

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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 05:34 PM
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17. I want an apology from the mods for deleting my post months ago
Where I said that they were doing this and by doing so, they were pissing on everything Nuremberg stood for.

Doomsayer- 100
Naysayers- 0
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:46 PM
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18. Last Kick From Me...
:kick:
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