TOM RIDGE IS AN ASSHOLE MOTHERFUCKER BULLSHITTER

[Hissyspit]

I don't know his motivations for spewing the GOP propaganda talking points shit, the "faulty intelligence was responsible for Iraq fiasco" crap, and his backpedaling, but I don't really give a crap.

RIDGE said on Rachel Maddow's show that he thinks "it is a pretty radical conclusion to suggest that men and women entrusted with the safety of this country would predicate a decision upon any other basis other than to keep America safe. Later on it may have proven that some of the information was inaccurate, but there were plenty of reasons to go into Iraq at the time - the foremost were the weapons of mass destruction, that obviously proven to be faulty."

IT'S NOT A RADICAL CONCLUSION, YOU WEASEL SHIT... IT'S WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED!

That's why Rachel subtly but clearly was getting pissed at you.

'You should be ashamed to suggest my bullshit is not true,' he argues to Rachel. ARGUMENT THROUGH APPEAL TO SHAME. WHAT CRAP! 'Men and women in power wouldn't base their actions on anything other than the purist of motives.' WHAT ARE YOU? SEVEN FUCKING YEARS OLD?? NO, YOU'RE NOT. YOU KNOW THIS IS CRAP!

Then he says that he and Rachel obviously disagree and it is not his opinion. Except that opinions are nothing without FACTS TO BACK THEM UP AND RACHEL HAS FACTS TO BACK HER UP!

FACTS!

- The Paul O'Neill Book: "The war in Iraq was planned from the first National Security Council meeting."

- The articles again and again in the newspaper, buried in the back, of course, that CIA and other current and former intelligence did not believe the bullshit. (i.e. see New York Times, Sep. 28, 2008)

- Scott Ritter, weapons inspector.

- William Rivers Pitt's Book.

- The weapons inspectors, forced out, not by Saddam, but by PRESIDENT SOCIOPATH!

- "Reasons Not To Invade Iraq' by George W. Bush Sr.

- The RIDICULOUS evidence presented by Colin Powell at the U.N. I was embarassed to hear adult Americans taking it seriously when it would have been laughed out of any U.S. court as the weakest of circumstantial!

- The ratfuckers who were behind all this... Cheney, Rove, et al.

- The largest anti-war protests in the HISTORY OF THE HUMAN RACE.

- The Downing Street Memos.

- The scholars who said the war was illegal.

- The persons who resigned their positions rather than partake in the lie.

- The manipulation of 9/11; documented over and over in Condi and Dick and Georgie and Donald's own words!

- And this, too: JUST PLAIN FUCKING COMMON SENSE. "IRAQ??? WTF???"

FACTS, not opinion

PEOPLE ORPHANED, KILLED, TORTURED, REPUTATIONS DESTROYED, TREASONS COMMITTED, LIVES RUINED, AND YOU THINK IT'S AN HONEST DIFFERENCE IN OPINION??

YOU COULDN'T LOOK RACHEL IN THE EYE YOU WEASEL MOTHERFUCKER

God, these monsters make me :puke:

When do I get to not have reason to post rants like this? When is there accountability? When does Cheney go to jail?

[deaniac21]

1. You're post is very credible. Especially if you would drop the

Scott Ritter and William Rivers Pitt references.

[Hissyspit]

3. Why?

They knew what the fuck they were talking about.

In June, 1999, Ritter responded to an interviewer, saying: "When you ask the question, 'Does Iraq possess militarily viable biological or chemical weapons?' the answer is no! It is a resounding NO. Can Iraq produce today chemical weapons on a meaningful scale? No! Can Iraq produce biological weapons on a meaningful scale? No! Ballistic missiles? No! It is 'no' across the board. So from a qualitative standpoint, Iraq has been disarmed. Iraq today possesses no meaningful weapons of mass destruction capability.

[indepat]

98. Hissyspit, why don't you quit pussyfooting about and tell us what you really think of Ridge and his

entire mf'in ilk? :P

[rhett o rick]

6. Yeah, and if you didnt use so many caps and drop the swearing. And leave every other word out.

Other than that it was a good post. :sarcasm:

[CreekDog]

66. Oh, I dunno, that felt kind of good to read

when talking about the travesty that is the Iraq War and the incredible loss of life that was unjustified...it's not swear words that upset me.

So...K&R!

[rhett o rick]

88. I agree completely. When we are killing children in Iraq whats a few swear words. nt

[lunatica]

79. You're entitled to your opinion, as opinionated as that may be.

[rhett o rick]

87. I was supporting the post. nt

[lunatica]

91. Oops! I missed the sarcasm smilie

My bad.

:sarcasm:

[mopinko]

77. second that why.

?

[NoSheep]

92. Why do you say that?

[Wetzelbill]

160. like a few others, I'd like to know why

you would take out the Scott Ritter and Will Pitt references?

[WhiteTara]

2. thanks for telling us how you really feel

I didn't see the show and you have just saved my blood pressure from rising to stroke level.

May he rot in jail with 10 thread count sheets. I don't care what they get him for...it could be jay walking but I hope treason.

[elleng]

56. In spite of hissyspit's uncharacteristically LOUD post,

it was a very good show.

edit: NOT meaning to put hissy down.

[Oldtimeralso]

128. To Add To White Tara's Post

"May he rot in jail with 10 thread count sheets." With a mattress that has concertina wire for coils.

[madrchsod]

4. now do`t hold back---tell us how you really feel.

ya he`s a lying sack of shit

[rhett o rick]

5. rec 7. He is talking thru his asshole. He says the people that made the decision knew more than you

and me. Yet they did it wrong to the tune of over a million lives and trillions of dollars. What he is saying is, "Ooops". He needs to be thrown in prison.

[Canuckistanian]

8. Indeed

The people who made the decision knew TWICE AS MANY facts why they SHOULDN'T invade Iraq.

They chose to IGNORE those facts and invade anyways.

[TroglodyteScholar]

9. +1

[rhett o rick]

15. Exactly. nt

[louis-t]

103. This is what I screamed at the tv last night.

I was hoping Rachel would pick up on it.

[BlooInBloo]

18. I couldn't actually see the teevee - just heard Ridge. Every sound I heard screamed "LIE!".

[rhett o rick]

19. Have to give Rachel for not screaming liar into his face. nt

[aquart]

124. That, or he's too tenderly innocent and naive to be allowed out without a nanny.

[BlooInBloo]

126. Theoretical possibility, acknowledged.

[JHB]

62. It's standard Republican CYA bipartisanship

The only time these days when republicans get "bipartisan" is when something they've pushed causes a huge mess. Then they'll trot out any Democrats who went along with them (whether voluntarily or frog-marched) and claim it was a "bipartisan concensus", so it's just "playing politics" to hold one side more responsible.

[TankLV]

73. what is is saying "Opps - we got it all COMPLETLY WRONG & have been COMPLETLY WRONG on EVERYTHING

but TRUST US & put us back in POWER so we can DO IT ALL AGAIN!!!!"

[varelse]

76. Yeah, they did know more than us, actually

and they lied.

[Voice for Peace]

152. I think there are lots of people stupid enough to believe Cheney is a good guy

who knows what's best.. especially cos he has so many important national security secrets winkwink he can't tell you, but he'll take care of it & keep you safe and gobbless america

[rhett o rick]

155. There is a term I think applies here. Willfully ignorant. These people are ignorant

and proud of it.

[Swamp Rat]

7. Time to give assholes like Tom Ridge the 3rd degree under oath.

He blew his chance to come clean.

[rhett o rick]

16. I am against torture, but I can change my mind in his case. nt

[bushisanidiot]

99. Exactly! It's one thing to be question by Ms. Maddow and lie to her

face on national television, but does he have the spine to do it UNDER OATH in a court of law??

[bertman]

10. Tom Ridge was fighting for his life tonight. After the truth he wrote in his book, he

got the visit from Cheney's boys over at Fatherland Security.

Poor Tom probably thought nobody would buy his book, so he just got it off his chest.

Bad move, Tom.

How fast can you backpedal??

[rhett o rick]

20. He will rot in hell. nt

[Lugnut]

35. Seems so.

I've never seen anything quite like his performance tonight. He's not an effective liar.

[Raine]

54. Agree

that's the feeling I got, he's scared. :yoiks:

[Enthusiast]

121. I've never seen "that" look

on his face before.

[lib_wit_it]

117. Just what I was thinking, between screams of "F you, you F-ing liar, while watching. Having been a

teacher in PA, I've always despised him.

[me b zola]

11. One of the things that slays me

is to hear Ridge and other repubs blame their failures on "the federal government". This is a meme that I haven't yet hear any progressives take on. No, rainbow ridge, the war on Iraq and the response to Katrina was not a failure of the federal government, it was a failure of the republicans in charge of the federal government.

This repub meme does not only shift responsibility from those at the helm, but it is also designed as red meat for them to say, "see, federal government is bad".

This meme needs to be taken on every time it is uttered/spewed/shat.

[fasttense]

57. So true, It's not that government doesn't work, it's that GOP run government doesn't work. n/t

[bushisanidiot]

100. BINGO!

n/t

[tomp]

116. many democrats went along with the war...

...and went along with less than total opposition to bush, which was the only reasonable and patriotic position after his illegal selection by the supreme court. the democrats are not blameless here. nice try, though.

[Union Yes]

12. Ain't nuthin wrong with venting. Let it out man. I hear what yer sayin and agree!

recd

[liberalhistorian]

13. I heard him give the same bullshit to Neil Conan on NPR's

Talk of the Nation this afternoon and almost ran my car off the road, I couldn't believe his lying bullshit.

[BlooInBloo]

14. Seemed to me that Maddow was way to caught up in the "congeniality" thing with him.

[rhett o rick]

17. Dont forget she works for a member of the CorpMedia. They will give her some leeway but she probably

has to be careful.

[JonLP24]

50. I didn't see it

I believe Maddow asked some tough questions and really pressed him about what he knew and the motivations of pushing the Iraq War. I liked how she rebutted him after he said democracy in Iraq is a good thing for all of us and then she mentioned something along the lines of selling the idea of 4,000 americans and several billion dollars to "bring democracy in Iraq" wouldn't sell well with the American people and really went into a lot more then that. She didn't yell "Shut up!" and "Liar!" like Bill O'reilly does and gives her guest a chance to respond which is something I respect her for. I don't know where else he'd face these questions? MTP? CNN? Certainly not Fox News and the only times I recall Olbermann having guests that are republicans is when they agree with him.

[rhett o rick]

82. I think she did and does a great job. She's the best. nt

[opihimoimoi]

21. Failed attempt at cleaning his horrible tenure as HLS Head

[lonestarnot]

22. Ohs yeahs!

:D :hi: K & R for title shouting alone! Edit to add this: before I saw your post, I posted to another thread the great minds think alike deal. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6442444&mesg_id=6442735

[Stinky The Clown]

23. Mr. Spit ... you get my very approving K&R.

[GodDamLiberal]

24. The end justifies the means.

That is how these people think.
They can not comprehend that for a system like a democracy that the process matters.
That is why they feel they can lie or do anything to get what they want and it doesn't bother them.
They will die defending those lies or actions because maybe in the future things will be better, but none of us may be alive then to know it.
That thinking let them lie about Iraq and continue to do so much like they do about
health care and other things.

[Tansy_Gold]

25. Tom Ridge is a perfect example of . . . . .

. . . . the kind of person studied in this article --

http://sociology.buffalo.edu/documents/hoffmansocinquiryarticle_000.pdf

"One of the most curious aspects of the 2004 presidential election was the strength
and resilience of the belief among many Americans that Saddam Hussein was linked to
the terrorist attacks of September 11. Scholars have suggested that this belief was the
result of a campaign of false information and innuendo from the Bush administration.
We call this the information environment explanation. Using a technique of “challenge
interviews” on a sample of voters who reported believing in a link between Saddam and
9/11, we propose instead a social psychological explanation for the belief in this link.
We identify a number of social psychological mechanisms voters use to maintain false
beliefs in the face of disconfirming information, and we show that for a subset of voters
the main reason to believe in the link was that it made sense of the administration’s decision
to go to war against Iraq. We call this inferred justification: for these voters, the fact of the
war led to a search for a justification for it, which led them to infer the existence of ties
between Iraq and 9/11."


* * * * *

These are people who cannot believe otherwise, for whatever reasons. There is no way to reason with them. They have been shown the facts and they still believe otherwise. They have been told there are no WMDs and never were; it doesn't matter to them. The truth doesn't matter. It is not, in fact, the truth.

And this is why the Dems need to stop courting these people. All the logic, all the facts, all the evidence in the world will NEVER CHANGE THEIR MINDS. They believe it -- whatever "it" is -- because they want to and no rational persuasion is going to change them.

It matters less WHY they are like this than simply that they are. They are never going to come to our side, so why should we waste any time on them?



Tansy Gold, who isn't

[Hissyspit]

27. Now that I've calmed down a bit,

I think Ridge knows it's not true. He has too much money and future plans to run for office invested in the lie to let anyone question it.

Just another sleazeball.

[Tansy_Gold]

30. He will make himself believe it.

It's not really so important whether these people truthly BELIEVE what they say they believe. It's that they will defend their "belief" and they will act upon that belief, to the point that there's really no difference.

it is in what they perceive as their own best interest to believe, and even if that motivation is entirely subconscious, they will still act on it.

Ridge's survival depends on his expressing his belief in the truth as the booshies created it. He will do/say whatever he needs to survive.


TG

[coalition_unwilling]

33. Ridge reminds me of Adolf Eichmann. A mid-level

flunky to a charismatic leader in the service of evil.

Or maybe Heydrich, Eichmann's boss at, and head of, the RSHA (an analogue to the Bush-era DHS).

You should watch and listen to Ridge and his ilk as an entomologist studies an exotic insect. (No offense to insects.) You are in the presence of what Arendt called "the banality of evil."

[Tansy_Gold]

38. Exactly. n/t

[OnyxCollie]

59. Thanks for the link, Tansy.

I will be using that in my research this semester.

[rhett o rick]

86. Agree, but what do we do with them? Serious question. nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

166. Well, half of them will drink themselves to death.

Another portion seemed destined for many STDs.
And most seemed dedicted to shooting themselves in the foot.

It may take some time, but I do see the pendulum swinging.
In his own way, Ridge was helping with that.

[madamesilverspurs]

26. Yep,

He about owed me a new teevee. Lucky that I'd left the remote across the room or it would have been through the screen. He was damned convincing - that Cheney/Bush still have a bunch of people by the short hairs.

[Hissyspit]

28. "He was damned convincing - that Cheney/Bush still have a bunch of people by the short hairs."

Well put.

[DCKit]

44. But it's still too late to pull the book.

What do they do about that (aside from killing the promotion tour)?

Pull too many off the market, and it looks like a best-seller. What to do?

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. . . .

:applause:

[movonne]

31. I'm sure his next appearance will be faux...they will nod their heads

and tell what a good job he did...

[TankLV]

75. Too late - he's already been on yesterday BEFORE Rachel...

[wiggs]

32. Good post...thanks for capturing the frustration and amazement at the lack

of reasoned public discourse.

Rachel was truly great.

[nolabear]

34. The man could teach Michael Jackson to walk backwards.

Oh how I'd like to have seen that interview conducted with a lie detector. Rachel was golden.

[bleever]

36. Hissyspit goes nuts.

I admire the restraint that has allowed your fire to be held for such a perfect display of the venality that is all that was the Bush administration.

:thumbsup:

[mullard12ax7]

37. I'm still wondering what month/year it'll be acceptable to prosecute?

So many people seem to think the crimes will just go away if they're ignored but they won't, the criminals will just keep committing them.

[Born_A_Truman]

39. He was on Morning Joe this morning

I turned if off as they were going to break and Ridge was walking onto the set. I could see by his face and body language that he was going to weasel out.

[Stephanie]

40. Video is here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/1/775515/-Updated-with-MTP-Video.-Rachel-Maddow:-I-think-that-is-the-elephant-in-the-room.

[Overseas]

41. Loved the interview because it was so obvious that he'd been prepped and coached to babble thusly.

I speculated that they'd used that power drill near his head as part of his interview prep. To be sure he contradicted any potentially critical comments about the Bushrove Cheneyrummy Gang.

Good on Rachel for remaining cool and drawing out his lies for all to see.

It sure was an aw shucks and golly gee pile of dung from Ridge. Guess he'd sold enough books already with the teasing at the truth therein. Done those interview rounds. And now he could do the one to prove to the Cheeeneeey leave-behinds that he'd tow the line henceforth.

Maybe he has to take lots of small planes in his work.

[PufPuf23]

42. Stark Truth Alas

The string of justifications and lies was not credible in real time and the aims, not feasible oberun by hubris, idealogy, stupid, and cold-hearted.

That these taitor weasels have a voice in the poublic square now is not good.

Obvious of the most serious of domestic, international, and civilized laws were broken by self-r9ighteous barbarians who lied by plan.

There is much to be done to be a healthy society.

Thnak you for your posts (even ones I beg to differ lol bear with me -- reality has been so unreal so long now).

[struggle4progress]

43. Poor Tom is a gutless creep. He usually just did was he was told to do.

Bush official, in book, tells of pressure on ’04 vote
By Peter Baker, New York Times, August 21, 2009

Tom Ridge, the first secretary of homeland security, asserts in a new book that he was pressured by top advisers to President George W. Bush to raise the national threat level just before the 2004 election in what he suspected was an effort to influence the vote ...

http://warincontext.org/2009/08/21/tom-ridge-in-book-tells-of-pressure-on-%E2%80%9904-vote/

[Hissyspit]

45. And now he backtracks on that.

That's why I used the word weasel twice.

I realize that Cheney is the source of the evil, but I HATE the 'intelligence was faulty' revisionism talking point. It really sets me off.

[louis-t]

105. I was waiting for her to challenge him on the

"intelligence was faulty" crap.

[Solly Mack]

46. Proper

K&R

[JohnnyLib2]

47. K & R

:thumbsup:

[onestepforward]

48. K&R!

[bridgit]

49. cor-rect

[Roland99]

51. Don't forget Seymour Hersh's articles in The New Yorker and Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski from the OSP

Hersh:

Selective Intelligence
Donald Rumsfeld has his own special sources. Are they reliable?
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/05/12/030512fa_fact


The Stovepipe
How conflicts between the Bush Administration and the intelligence community marred the reporting on Iraq’s weapons.
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/10/27/031027fa_fact



Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski:

Hijacking Catastrophe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijacking_Catastrophe

The New Pentagon Papers
http://dir.salon.com/story/opinion/feature/2004/03/10/osp_moveon/index.html

[Hissyspit]

52. Thank you. I was typing in the stovepiping into the OP and then forgot what I was typing.

I was a bit riled up. Thanks, that was bugging me.

[Raine]

53. Uh I think he just wants to fly in small planes

he's afraid of being "Wellstoned". :yoiks:I think someone paid him a little visit and told him how he could remain "healthy" :scared: I guess Ridge would rather live on his knees than die on his feet, I'm not surprised.

[winyanstaz]

55. I am sure the majority of Americans feel the same....

we cannot heal as a nation until this mess is cleaned up and the crooks go to jail.

[old mark]

58. Ol' Tom was my Governor, and yes, he is all you say, and more but

he's better than Rick Santorum.

My wife calls Tom the Neanderthal because of his unfortunate facial aspect - he does resemble a shaved ape in a suit when the light is right....


mark

[OnyxCollie]

60. TOM RIDGE IS AN ASSHOLE MOTHERFUCKER BULLSHITTER!

Scream it from the rooftops.

Oh, yeah. K&R.

[malaise]

61. Excellent post Hissyspit

K& R

[Raster]

63. Excellent post, Hissyspit, EXCELLENT!

Yell all you like!:kick:You are correct!

[JHB]

64. Add to the list...

Bush populated nearly all the senior offices and advisory positions of his administration with people who were already on record as advocating removing Saddam by force (the PNAC gallery), years before Bush even took office.

So it's not exactly a "radical conclusion" that these people, once in power, would continue to advocate this course of action "for the good of the country".

It's like Republicans and tax cuts: the reason they give to justify it always shifts, because the reasons they give aren't their real reasons for wanting it. They want it, and they say anything to cajole everyone else into going along with them.

[suffragette]

65. Ridge is still trying to sell us a sack of shit

And Rachel told him to his face that it stinks.

And Hissyspit: :applause:

[CreekDog]

67. People complain that you cuss in this post, but that doesn't bother me

because those words are so harmless in the face of a war that killed perhaps 100,000 Iraqis and 4,000 Americans --a war that didn't need to be fought.

if such a thing doesn't cause one to curse everyone who caused the war --then maybe they just don't fully appreciate how awful it is.

:rant:

[pleah]

68. Yep, couldn't look her in the eye.

Dead give-away.

K&R

[Oilwellian]

69. Righteous rant, Hissyspit

Did you see Rachel had Tom snorting throughout the interview? :D

[lib_wit_it]

120. I noticed, and that was disgusting. eom

[Mira]

70. A Worthy post - Perfectly written - You saw and heard what I also did, and

the outrage is justified.
Recommended

[TankLV]

71. Great rant!

I'm surprsed that I didn't break my TV screen...

and don't pay attention to the idiots who try to complain about the SHOUTING and SWEARING!

without them, this would be just another thread - the EMPHASIS makes it RIGHTEOUS!

[OwnedByFerrets]

72. Thanks for taking one for the team

I KNEW it was going to go down like this, so I couldnt watch. My blood pressure couldnt handle it.

[lyonn]

131. Actually he was worse than I could have anticipated

Rachel got to him so quick he started babbling and backsliding and nose twitching (believe they call it a nervous twitch?) much sooner than I thought. He was totally unable to explain the reasoning for going into Iraq. He fell back on the old bushie staples, Saddam was bad, had wmd's, and that this area of the globe needed a democracy to use as an example. AND, the whole bs flew with the msm....

Now they have their beasts out there telling people to slash their wrists or do whatever to "take their country back", and for sure don't let those dems take their health care??? None of it makes sense and the same ol' repub "believers" are breathing real hard now. Oh how they love to hate.

[rosesaylavee]

74. Oh, Very Recommended.

[valerief]

78. K&R

:kick:

[lunatica]

80. That was a damn good hissy spit!

Cathartic!

[Richardo]

81. The larger the font, the more impotent the post.

The more profanity, the more juvenile.

You yourself posted the Maddow interview - Rachel was reasoned and calm and she killed. This post is the opposite of that.

Unrec.

[rhett o rick]

85. Nice of you to take the time to give us your opinion.

[Richardo]

89. That's the point of a message board isn't it?

[rhett o rick]

94. Yes the whole reason for the post was so you could unrec. Apparently the font and language

offend you. Whatever.

[Richardo]

146. They don't offend me, I just opined that their use diminishes the actual message.

Yell FUCK all you want. It won't persuade me that your position is any more passionate or thinking or correct than anyone else's. Quite the opposite, actually.

[NoSheep]

93. What exactly gets YOU upset?

What is PROFANE is what was done during the last 2 stolen presidential administrations. Some of us are RAGING FUCKING MAD and are sick to death of a country being run by the lowest common denominator. Thanks for the support! Obama can barely get anything done for these freaks of nature getting in the way of common sense and decency. Proudly recommending this FUCKING post.

[Richardo]

142. So let's all yell "Fuck Republicans" in our own echo chamber - so brave - so edgy.

A real problem solver, the word "fuck".

[NoSheep]

169. Yeah. I like it.

[dothemath]

95. wrong emphasis, bub

so it's all about appearances, the truth be damned?

[Richardo]

144. The truth is dimished by desperate show-boating

The road to 200 recs at DU is to post "FUCKING MOTHERFUCKING FUCKERS" in 72-point type. Really brings out the deep-thinkers.

[Hutzpa]

96. Go Fuck a duck

muthafuckas like you are the ones fucking things up with this Darwinian attitude where
people can't shit without you pointing a finger -- hey look! :banghead:


:grr:

[rhett o rick]

106. Perfect, except your font is way too small. nt

[Richardo]

141. Wait, what?

Nice coherent post. :thumbsup:

[lyonn]

132. Rachel has her job on the line ....we don't - we can shout.....

[Richardo]

145. Shout to whom? Each other? What does that prove?

I don't need that kind of validation like other deep-thinkers around here.

"Woo I shouted 'FUCK THE GOP' at DU! I'm such a revolutionary!"

[Ilsa]

83. The ratfuckers probably threatened to kill his children and

grandchildren if he didn't retract what he said in the book. Too late, you ratfuckers and spineless GOP henchmen!

[liam_laddie]

84. BIG K&R! n/t

[mentalslavery]

90. More propaganda from the bush peeps.

Expect to see a pattern of x-bushies making inflammatory statements in books only to go on tv circuit tours stating the exact opposite. Considering the ratio of peeps reading the book and peeps on the 24hr news cycle, its a net-message control gain. Maddow killed when see pointed out-you guys just dont get it.

[midnight]

97. Good reading here. Thanks for all the collected information and for posting this.

I hope soon!

[Botany]

101. Somebody got to Ridge

His sputtering explanation of "those were not my words," to Rachel when she read some of
his writing in the book's dust jacket was so over the top that there could be no doubt that
Ridge was trying to back track as fast as possible.

[Hutzpa]

102. It's so fucking obvious

watching this fool dance around the facts that HE included in his own book.

All of a sudden he mysteriously developed amnesia in front of Rachel Maddow.

[butterfly77]

104. Kick &Recommended..

[omega minimo]

107. How smoothly the same toxic pack of lies oozed from the tiny slit in his homicidal hockeypuck head

PEOPLE DIED AND ARE STILL DYING MR. RIDGE. OUR TROOPS AND FAMILIES AND MILITARY AND RULE OF LAW HAVE BEEN BROKEN. YOUR PERFORMANCE WAS DESPICABLE.

[Techn0Girl]

108. I'm just going to say this once....

Posts like these do not do the progressive cause any favors. They're as vile and repulsive as any ring wing nut job spewing his or her filth on Fox "News". Gratuitous vulgarity is just as inappropriate in a progressive venue as it is in a right-wing overrun town hall.

This doesn't make us look "hip" or "cool".
It makes us look stupid. Precisely as stupid as the right wing picture with the man holding up the "Morans" sign.

I think we can do better.

[DeeDeeNY]

113. You may have a point, but

the difference is that this OP has statements backed up by facts and linked to outside sources. The filth spewed on Fox's phony news, as well as the teabaggers at the town halls, have absolutely no basis in reality.

[pundaint]

130. Fucking A

We goddamn well better be circumspect, because assholes with no fucking couth like Cheney, or Rove don't get their dumbass messages out. Better to be polite and take it up the ass (if you happen to not prefer that), like a Democrat and lose with a motherfucking majority.

It seems we have a battle of fiction and attitude vs fact and manners. If fiction beats fact we're screwed anyway. So I agree! Let's FUCK MANNERS and let the majority see that they are represented too!

[Usrename]

109. Fine rant.

You hit most of the main points. Don't forget the torturing and murdering of ALL the informants and witnesses involved with 9/11.

[Kaleko]

158. What about the orchestration of 9/11?

I get impatient with people who ignore the blatantly obvious at this point.

[Usrename]

161. Personally, I think Humpty Dumpty was pushed...

..but that's the kind of talk that gets threads sent to the dungeon...

[Kaleko]

162. In that regard DU is like the Catholic Church,

threatening hundreds of Galileos with banishment for insisting that the earth revolves around the sun.

Shameful, laughable, ultimately untenable as a position, but there it is.

[The_Casual_Observer]

110. The violent colonial occupation of Iraq & Afghanistan has broken the back of the USA

And the government is still at it with the "we can win this" 8 YEARS ON.

[WinkyDink]

135. Don't omit "illegal".

[The_Casual_Observer]

136. I figured that went without saying.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

111. Seeing Ridge on his media book selling tour has been surreal

He is essentially arguing with his own book a book that we are supposed to believe he wrote. He was flat out denying things in the book and Rachel pointed it out to him. Then he goes off on the neo-con shithouse meme of "faulty intel" and "bringing democracy to the Middle East". And we have been led to believe by the MSM that Ridge is a moderate.

Chris Matthews is like a schoolgirl when he goes on Hardball. He was a middle level manager to the most inept and corrupt administration in modern history and more than likely in American history. He has come to some realization that the truth as written in his book is no longer serving the status quo and now after the release of the book is reverting back to neo-con spitballs.

[Martin Eden]

112. Good Job, HissySpit

Ridge and others like him are trying to rewrite history to fit rightwing political talking points.

Rachel is on the front lines fighting the battle to keep the facts from being flushed down the memory hole.

[GreenTea]

114. Money is all that matters to these selfish/greedl lying republican fucks-selling his bullshit boot

These fuckers don't give a shit about the destruction they caused for profits, the lies they told and people killed soldiers dying & maimed for life for their profits and they continue with their lies and hatred to sell books for profit...These republicans are disgusting sick ugly creatures.

[orleans]

115. great fucking post! k&r

why didn't i see this last night?

i thought the same thing.

and rach was amazing.

[mzmolly]

118. EXCELLENT POST!

A :toast: a :kick: and an R.

[Hubert Flottz]

119. I know what you mean...

"If you can't say something good about someone, don't say anything at all."

I guess you've got that covered!

I'm glad you cut the guy some slack.

I had to take up for old Terra Lert Tommy myself just the other day. A dude told me, "That damned Tom Ridge Really Stinks!" I said, "Like Shit!"

[Loki]

122. Tom Ridge is nothing more than a lying little coward

with the blood of hundred's of thousands of Iraqi's and over 4,000 American soldiers. You and the rest of the Bush cabal will get what you deserve. The blood on your hands will never wash out, and he knows this every time he looks in the mirror, that is why he looks so horrible. The monster of corrupt power and guilt will destroy you, hopefully sooner than later.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

123. I heard Randi make a comment yesterday

before this interview that truly resonated with me, despite its' impracticality. She'd like to see a law passed that before any publicly elected official - past and present - speaks to an American audience, they should be put under oath. The silence would be deafening.

[aquart]

125. And how very pleasant that would be.

Put your right hand on this Bible, Senator.

[LiberalLovinLug]

127. Is Paul O'Neil a "radical"? Is Richard Clarke?

she could have answered that with. But she did an amazing job.

But why is a reporter/journalist who simply frames a question in a polite, but truthful way seen as amazing now a days. Go figure.

[mentalslavery]

129. A sign of how bad the profession is. A true measure of

the lack luster job most newies engage in.

[young_at_heart]

133. He's no Scott McClellan

McClellan wasn't afraid---Ridge is. All credibility is now lost and hopefully this stupid book will sink quickly.

[WinkyDink]

134. He was gotten to. Cf. "Book, Every Other Bush Admin. Figure Who Wrote A."

[yoyossarian]

137. TOOOOOOOO true, hon!

President Sociopath and his gang of social deviants would NEVER do ANYTHING like that...
unless they had the very BEST of intentions!

Chucky-Dolls

Serial killers. Delusional, maniacal, cannabalistic madmen, the whole lot of 'em.

John Ashcroft is a peurile sexless scowling High Inquisitor. Donald Rumsfeld is a soulless golem. Dick Cheney is the very image of ol' Man Potter from "It's a Wonderful Life", radiating his inner illness and ugliness like a blinding cloak of many unhappy colors... and our 'president' is a nightmare Chucky-doll, crass and ignorant and utterly conscienceless, the perfect evil puppet to end all evil puppets...

I must say, both as a horror writer/artist and lifelong fan, these guys are without question scarier than the most frightening horror movie or work of dark fiction you could possibly name.

The damage already done is simply staggering, not just to our people and environment, but to every basic social concept and construct that makes up any great society.

Excerpted from Chucky-Dolls by D X Stone, copyright 2002

Someday, motherfuckers... some fine day...


(Yes, I KNOW she's the Speaker of the House...
but would you really expect HIM to know that?)


Great tee-shirts, buttons and such at
Laugh City!


President Evil Online
has risen from the grave!

[AntiFascist]

138. Tom Ridge likely chose his words carefully...

although he would never admit it, there may be those who are so deluded that even if 9-11 was allowed to happen so that we could start wars in the Middle East, they may justify the belief that it all happened in order to keep the flow of foreign oil secure, and thus the sacrifice of thousands of soldiers and American civilians, not to mention the 100,000s of Iraqi lives, was all for the ultimate benefit of 'American safety'.

[Pryderi]

139. Yellow cake and Valerie Plame.

[libodem]

140. Ahem, Hissy

You know how, Limpbaugh, checks our site, for cuss words. Woo Hoo, fuck him, too!!!!:woohoo:

[redqueen]

143. I'm glad you said it with the anger it deserves.

Fuck the nice guy crap... that's Obama's job.

[leftofthedial]

147. he's a repuke,

but we repeat ourselves

[rhett o rick]

148. Kick. Out of recs

[Major Hogwash]

149. Right the fuck on!!! You and me brother! Let's prosecute Bush and Cheney!!

There is no doubt anymore that they are criminals, in every sense of the word, in ANY court in the world!!!

You have said a mouthfull here, bro'.

Every fucking day that we are still in Iraq is a black day for America.
We should prosecute those motherfuckers for the war - and for the torture they ordered on Iraqi citizens.

The world cries out for justice!!

[Voice for Peace]

150. aaaaaaaaaaaah

thanks hissyspit

[Cha]

151. Thanks, Hissy!

:patriot::patriot:

[Butch350]

153. I don't understand?

Clinton had sex in the WH and all hell broke out.

Enter the country in a phony war based on pure Bull Shit, getting sons and daughters, mother and fathers
in our american fighting forces killed and wounded and numerous INNOCENT IRAQs killed and wounded and then there is no OUTRAGE
in this country, nor any attemp by the MSM to bring this to light - is simply AMAZING!

[femrap]

154. I think he's a Fatherfucker. nt

[Hissyspit]

156. Fair enough.

[rhett o rick]

157. I cant help myself. When I see that subject line, I have to kick. nt

[rhett o rick]

159. Let's look at what he actually said.

"it is a pretty radical conclusion to suggest that men and women entrusted with the safety of this country would predicate a decision upon any other basis other than to keep America safe." First of all what else can we conclude? These people "entrusted with the safety of this country" did in fact make decisions that not only didn't make this country safer, but in fact put citizens of this country in jeopardy. Enough jeopardy that thousands of them died. You can not produce any evidence that these people used for justification that wasn't at the time debunked.

"Later on it may have proven that some of the information was inaccurate," I do love this argument. So what you are saying is that those people entrusted with the safety of this country didn't recognize at the timed that the "information" was inaccurate? When at the time, there were many, many that were telling them it was inaccurate. I would love you, sir, to tell us what information these people had that fooled them so greatly. Dare tell us.

"but there were plenty of reasons to go into Iraq at the time - the foremost were the weapons of mass destruction, that obviously proven to be faulty." This has to be the stoopidist explanation I have heard. There were lots of reasons. OK, name a few. Ok, name one. Oh, yes there was that pesky WMD reason that turned out later to be faulty. So let me ask you this. If someone were to make a decision to invade a country, kill over a million innocent civilians and be responsible for the deaths of over 4,000 Americans based on erroneous data, wouldn't you hold them responsible?

Here's the deal. You can fool some people but I bet you know that you can not fool your own God. I think, sir you will rot in hell.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

163. Love your post - and everything is perfect exactly as it is nt

[Dinger]

164. Yeah, Maybe To His Mom, And That Would Be On A Good Day

:evilgrin:

[bridgit]

165. yep, he should be cited for tap dancing without license to do so

[Initech]

167. I believe that the universe has ways of working itself out.

Which means these motherfuckers will get what's coming to them.

[rhett o rick]

168. I like to believe that myself. nt