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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:07 PM
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Bush's Third Term? You're Living It- By David Swanson
Bush's Third Term?
You're Living It
By David Swanson

...

If Bush were in his third term, we would already have seen him propose, yet again, the largest military budget in the history of the world. We might well have seen him pretend he was including war funding in the standard budget, and then claim that one final supplemental war budget was still needed, immediately after which he would surely announce that yet another war supplemental bill would be needed down the road. And of course, he would have held onto his Secretary of Defense from his second term, Robert Gates, to run the Pentagon, keep our ongoing wars rolling along, and oversee the better part of our public budget.

Bush would undoubtedly be following through on the agreement he signed with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for all U.S. troops to leave Iraq by the end of 2011 (except where he chose not to follow through). His generals would, in the meantime, be leaking word that the United States never intended to actually leave. He'd surely be maintaining current levels of troops in Iraq, while sending thousands more troops to Afghanistan and talking about a new "surge" there. He'd probably also be escalating the campaign he launched late in his second term to use drone aircraft to illegally and repeatedly strike into Pakistan's tribal borderlands with Afghanistan.

If Bush were still "the decider" he'd be employing mercenaries like Blackwater and propagandists like the Rendon Group and he might even be expanding the number of private security contractors in Afghanistan. In fact, the whole executive branch would be packed with disreputable corporate executive types. You'd have somebody like John ("May I torture this one some more, please?") Rizzo still serving, at least for a while, as general counsel at the CIA. The White House and Justice Department would be crawling with corporate cronies, people like John Brennan, Greg Craig, James Jones, and Eric Holder. Most of the top prosecutors hired at the Department of Justice for political purposes would still be on the job. And political prisoners, like former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman and former top Democratic donor Paul Minor would still be abandoned to their fate.

In addition, the bank bailouts Bush and his economic team initiated in his second term would still be rolling along -- with a similar crowd of people running the show. Ben Bernanke, for instance, would certainly have been reappointed to run the Fed. And Bush's third term would have guaranteed that there would be none of the monkeying around with the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) that the Democrats proposed or promised in their losing presidential campaign. At this point in Bush's third term, no significant new effort would have begun to restore Katrina-decimated New Orleans either.

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http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175109/david_swanson_the_more_things_change
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:11 PM
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1. Wish I could argue that the MIC isn't still firmly in place, but alas... nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:16 PM
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5. Robert ''Team B'' Gates still runs the Pentagon money trough.
CIA runs Blackwater, which runs foreign-staffed assassination squads.

Of course, two immoral, illegal and unnecessary wars continue unabated.

At Justice, it's just-us covering up Bush, Cheney and Rove's assorted treasons.

At Treasury, it's business as usual as the rich get obscenely richer, the middle class cashes out to Wall Street, and the poor are off the agenda.

Then, there's the universal health insurance, uh, reform...
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:29 PM
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10. Yep - no point in arguing. It is what it is. :(
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:13 PM
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21. Team B fixed intelligence estimates
To make it look like the Soviets were ratcheting up the arms race. It's what made it possible for Reagan to reinvigorate the our hardline Cold war stance with the Soviets. Bush Sr. was big time involved. It's all a bunch of bullshit.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:11 PM
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2. ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz zzz z z .. . ...
:boring:

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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:13 PM
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4. If only
it brought such peace of mind that we could rest easy.

As the dry facts David points to suggest we should not be sleeping. And of course if you are sleeping then you can easily miss the situation. The same can be said if you are blinded by certain unfounded mythologies.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:07 PM
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19. Would Bush have appointed a liberal Supreme Court justice?
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 08:08 PM by tabasco
Would Bush have reinstated the roadless rule for national forests?

Answer the fucking questions.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:44 AM
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38. Good listing, good post. Pleased to recommend it.
Keep up with the responses to the naysayers too - they need to have their eyes opened. They are as bad as the teabaggers of you ask me.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:13 PM
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3. Sorry, nine minutes too late.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:59 PM
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18. Thanks !
I went an recommended that one too!
:toast:
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:17 PM
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6. Yes
All is well in status-quo land.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:21 PM
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7. I thought that the fascist gave up power too easily. You see bush* and fuckface were only puppets
of CorpAmerica. When the peoples got all upset, CorpAmerica said, give em some cake. Let them elect Mr. Obama, for whatever good it will do. CorpAmerica and MediaAmerica control Congress and the country. They let us elect Pres Obama so we would shut the fuck up for a while.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:28 PM
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9. +1 nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:33 PM
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27. They allowed us to elect Pres Obama as one of their noble lies.
The ruling elite feel "that it is necessary to promulgate “noble lies” to society’s lower orders. This sort of virtuous mendacity must be practiced, because those varieties of upright apes (you and I) must be spared the complexities of the truth; otherwise, it will cause us to grow dangerously agitated — will cause us to rattle the bars of our cages and fling poop at our betters. They believe it’s better to ply us with lies because it’s less trouble then having to hose us down in our filthy cages. In this way, they believe, all naked apes will have a more agreeable existence within the hierarchy-bound monkeyhouse of capitalism." Quote from Philip Rockstroh.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:41 AM
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36. I hate to have to agree with this statement rhett
But I'm afraid I think you nailed it.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 08:25 AM
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40. Thanks, I guess. I am not happy about it. nt
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 11:46 AM
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45. Paranoid, rhett.
n/t
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:22 PM
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8. BULL SHIT...no fucking way
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:38 PM
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29. That's it? That's your argument? Must say it lacks some substance. nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:32 PM
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11. codswallop.
this is such silliness. There's lots to criticize Obama about, but anyone who thinks that Obama's first term is simply bushco's third term is seriously brain dead.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:37 PM
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12. Well maybe
you could do a paragraph by paragraph analysis of David's piece and knock off his points. Can you ever say something more insightful than "codswallop? followed by a few playground insults?" That really doesn't count as critical thinking.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:39 PM
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14.  how about this? if bush were still prez and Souter had resigned we would h ave
had a conservative replacement for Souter. And anyone who doesn't see what a difference that would make isn't paying attention.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:27 PM
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22. Wow
If that's it even you have to admit to how utterly minuscule and pathetic that small bone is.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:33 PM
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24. yeah, because the right to choose is such a miniscule and pathetic right
Nice try.

And let's add in signing SCHIP,approving expanded benefits for same sex partners of federal employees, allowing expanded stem cell research, signing a minimum wage increase, taking steps that have stabilized an economy that was poised to go over the cliff causing immensely more suffering for millions than will now be the case, and the list goes on. Can someone argue that each of these and some other steps could've gone farther? Sure. Can anyone argue that chimpy would've done these things? Only from inside a padded cell.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 11:40 AM
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43. Oh is that all?
:sarcasm:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:39 PM
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30. Supreme Court justice picks are the only real LASTING legacy a President has

It affects all of our lives for 30 or 40 years, if she stays healthy.


More important than anything else a President could do.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:45 PM
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31. How dare you say "small bone". When the SCOTUS rules later this month
that campaign finance laws do not apply to CorpAmerica, the vote will be 5 to 4 in favor of fascism and not 6 to 3 in favor. Can't you understand the significance?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:24 AM
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33. your ignorance is boundless, dear, as the deep and briny blue.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:33 PM
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26. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:38 PM
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13. How many times is this same article gonna be posted here and in GDP today?
Good grief.
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:40 PM
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15. Hadn't seen it
But I am looking for an intelligent counterpoint to the argument in the OP.

Got one?
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:40 PM
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16. I posted it again
because every word is true
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:45 PM
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17. and thank you! nt
:hi:
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:46 PM
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25. As long as the
Swanson Brown Shirts keep posting in an attempt to sell more of their Far-Left cult leader's books.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:54 PM
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32. 6
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:13 PM
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20. et tu Swanson-a?
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 08:17 PM by The_Casual_Observer
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:29 PM
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23. Once again I offer my heartfelt thanks for the unrecommend option
Now, if only I could get a "nuclear option" that allowed me to annihilate drivel like this.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:36 PM
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28. Why, oh why sir, do you bother to respond. You can just drive on by. But no, you stop to tell us
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 10:37 PM by rhett o rick
what drivel we promulgate. Please feel free to stop by any time to leave your turd and run.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:32 AM
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34. More anti-Obama Bullshit on democraticunderground
Personally I can't imagine how anyone lacking the cognitive ability to discern a difference between Bush and Obama manages to dress themselves in the morning.

And don't Greens have a site of their own?
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:35 AM
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35. Which paragraph
can you de-construct?

Be specific.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:43 AM
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37. How does one deconstruct a big steaming pile of dog shit? nt
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:11 AM
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41. Start
by using your intellect rather than reactionary sloganeering. Is that too much to ask.

Just refute the first three paragraphs with some data to back up your argument.
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 11:22 AM
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42. Bullshit. The author's thesis, summed up in the headline, has already
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 11:22 AM by subcomhd
been refuted by another poster.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 06:50 AM
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39. It's funny watching..
... these true believers try to defend Obama. We get a couple of bones, and the FAR RIGHT gets a whole meal. And we are supposed to be happy.

Obama can redeem himself with health care reform THAT INCUDES A PUBLIC OPTION.

Anything short of that and he is a complete and utter waste of a Democratic victory. And I give it a 10% chance at this point, but who knows.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 11:42 AM
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44. Well, he DID say he agreed with Cheney that we should attack Iran...
didn't he?

:rofl:

It's hard not to be insulting about this stuff... it's so far past fucking dumb as hell. :rofl:
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