Teen tackles armed girl on Miss. school bus

[AsahinaKimi]

Source: USA TODAY


By Chris Joyner, USA TODAY
Yazoo County Sheriff Tommy Vaughan knew how it ended, but he said there still was plenty of drama in watching the Mississippi school bus security tape.

At 6:53 a.m. Tuesday, a 14-year-old girl boarded the bus and walked better than halfway toward the back. She reached into a flower-print bag and pulled out a chrome-plated .380-caliber semi-automatic handgun and began shouting and threatening the other students.

"She was using some hard words," Vaughan said. "She was saying somebody on the bus was either messing with her or picking on her."

Then, Yazoo County High School football player Kaleb Eulls approached the girl, Vaughan said.

"He kept telling her, 'Put the gun down; put the gun down.' "

Then Eulls, 18, did what made him highly recruited as a defensive end — he tackled her. Vaughan said the students both went down, and a second later, Eulls' right hand shot back into view holding the weapon.



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[geckosfeet]

1. That's one big lucky guy.

[Doremus]

7. Brave.

[TheWraith]

22. He's riding that line between bravery and stupidity.

He did the right thing, but it was still incredibly dangerous for him to do it. I'm not going to second guess whether that was the best moment, or if she could have been talked down. We can only trust his judgement. In this case, it turned out well for everyone.

[renate]

38. bless his heart! what a hero!

Yes, it sure was dangerous for him... he must have decided it was worth risking his life to save others'. Maybe it wasn't a line between bravery and stupidity but between bravery and doing nothing. He's awesome.

:applause:

[question everything]

2. Shape of things to come

After all those yahoos toting their guns into town hall meetings, we are going to see more of this.

Can't wait for some "guns at the OK Corral" and, with a bit of luck, only the gun totters will end up dead, not any by standers.

[WheelWalker]

3. The o'l fumble-ruski play

[MichiganVote]

4. Whew....could have had a bad outcome but glad he was brave.

[Vidar]

5. Good for Eulls. He well may have saved some lives.

[AlbertCat]

6. He wouldn't have to tackle the girl if everyone on that bus had their own gun!

I mean... duh!
















:sarcasm:...just in case

[Divine Discontent]

9. they'd have all been dead weeks ago if that were the case... n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

14. Arming children is an idiotic idea. Please stop proposing it.

[dorkulon]

15. Wow, he even used a sarcasm tag and everything.

I guess we need to make them bigger.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

18. It doesn't really work thought since no one has ever proposed it. It's just stupid.

[liberalhistorian]

23. For Christ's sake, how fucking big

does the damned sarcasm tag need to be in order for you to be able to see it? No one here was even suggesting such a thing, sheesh.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

29. Exactly, no one anywhere has ever suggested such a thing.

That's why it doesn't make sense.

[EOTE]

37. People suggest it all the time.

Every time some gun nut goes on a rampage there are several people who come out of the woodwork to say "If more people there had firearms, this never would have happened." It's like fucking clockwork.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

39. Just one link of a reputable person suggesting that CHILDREN should carry firearms, I'll be waiting.

[EOTE]

43. It's called extrapolation. Or taking it to the logical conclusion.

No one suggested children, per se (hell, I'm sure many dense gun nuts have, but I won't bother searching), but surely you won't deny that any time a gun nut goes crazy on numerous people, it's always suggested that the tragedy could have been avoided if more people owned firearms. So taking this train of thought to its logical conclusion says that if children were armed, they'd have been able to deal with this other armed child. If you're too dense to understand that was said tongue in cheek, don't blame me.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

47. That's just idiotic. It's not logical to arm people for whom it is illegal to possess firearms.

Crimes are routinely stopped by adults with firearms who are carrying them legally. Nice try though.

[EOTE]

54. People are also killed by adults with firearms who are carrying them both legally and illegally.

The common bond for all mass shootings is guns, so what exactly is your point? Nice try though. It appears that once again you have no idea what tongue in cheek means and you have no idea as to why the original comment you responded to was apt and why your response was idiotic.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

56. "The common bond for all mass shootings is guns" Really? Genius.

Fewer people are murdered by CCW permit holders than by LEO's. The overwhelming majority of people murdered with firearms are killed by people illegally possessing firearms. I know it's shocking for you that murderers would disregard other laws but they do.

[EOTE]

60. It was meant to be an absurd comment, genius.

Not that I'd expect you to understand that after the other inane comments you've made in this thread. The common bond for all your previous comments is that you simply don't understand anything that's not spelled out explicitly for you.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

62. It's really that you don't understand anything remotely complex.

[11 Bravo]

65. That should be "doesn't", but only if that's not too complex.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

77. You doesn't understand. huh?

[11 Bravo]

78. I have probably owned weapons longer than you have been drawing breath.

I own two handguns, a shotgun, and a rifle. I have fired guns for fun, for food, and in combat, (how was YOUR war?) What YOU don't understand is that your absurd and deliberate refusal to acknowledge the sarcasm tag in the earlier post makes us (gun owners) appear to be as fucking stupid as you either are, or pretend to be.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

79. I thought you said it should be doesn't.

Nothing like an infantry man calling a medic stupid. Take care you psycho gun nut. Don't you know guns are just made for killing people.

[anigbrowl]

48. 'Reductio ad absurdum'. Google it.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

50. I believe you understand.

[EOTE]

55. Yes, Anigbrowl understands that you definitely don't understand.

It shows that your argument of more guns equals less crime is an incredibly stupid one. But you, of course, refuse to see that.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

59. That's ridiculous. More criminals with guns equals more crime not less.

[Dogtown]

28. Knee-jerk response

Libertarians can't help themselves.

[EOTE]

27. Seriously? I mean really?

Sometimes words just fail.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

30. I agree.

[Divine Discontent]

8. I was daydreaming I did this today (never daydreamed that in my life) & I come home & see this story

how odd. and, how brave of this young man who ACTUALLY did it! lol

[LisaL]

10. That's one brave kid.

[npk]

11. If only this boy had been armed. He could have just shot her.

Think of how dangerous tackling somebody on a bus can be, as opposed to simple shooting somebody from the safety of your seat. When will this country ever learn. :sarcasm:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

13. Arming children is an idiotic idea. Please stop proposing it.

[dorkulon]

16. 2 for2! nt

[npk]

21. Like my mom always said

You just can't fix stupid. No matter how hard you try, it just doesn't work.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

51. I tried, you are right though.

[liberalhistorian]

24. Dude, you really need some huge, thick

coke-bottle glasses, there, don't you? Sheesh.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

31. No you just need some critical thinking skills.

[EOTE]

32. I suggest you learn what critical thinking is...

before you suggest that others brush up on theirs.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

33. Mine is just fine. If people can't figure out the point then that is their problem.

[EOTE]

36. You have no point.

What you say is neither funny nor intelligent. It was an inane comment that makes absolutely no sense in the context provided. And the fact that you've not even tried to explain it goes a long way towards telling just how stupid a comment it was.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

40. Don't blame the messenger just because you are too dense to understand the message.

[EOTE]

44. There is no message.

And these brief, snarky replies don't make you seem any less unintelligent.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0407/3556.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=K6dIvTFsDMkC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=tragedy+could+have+been+avoided+%22more+guns%22&source=bl&ots=iQR3lhPvTb&sig=EDkddf5pXkWojmZjdhL0S2TgjIY&hl=en&ei=3DGgSrmwFonklAeYlL3HDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#v=onepage&q=&f=false

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

52. and neither suggests arming children.

[EOTE]

57. Because you're too dense to understand anything that's not 100% literal, I'm through with you.

I, as well as others in this thread have explained the comment to you and why your reply was so incredibly stupid and unfunny. The fact that you keep responding with the same inapplicable responses shows that you have no desire to have a legitimate debate, but rather to spout out tired NRA talking points. I'd suggest researching what I and others have mentioned on this thread, but I know that won't happen. You've become like a brick wall, so I won't waste any further time with you.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

61. Good idea for you to quit.

[treestar]

74. About 20 posts ago you could have just admitted you didn't see

the sarcasm tag.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

76. If that was true I would gladly admit it.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

42. F_M_D is just defensive about this issue

He's one of those "if everyone had a gun....." guys being jabbed at here.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

49. Should be easy to find a quote of me saying that then, I'll be waiting on the link.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

63. Oh, you're too slick for that

Anyone reading your posts knows you're pretty good at framing the issue, and here is another example.

Your real defensiveness comes not from the outrage at the idea of arming children, but satirically chiding a philosophy you believe in.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

70. Thanks for the compliment.

My philosophy is that law abiding people possessing firearms doesn't increase the crime rate. In regards to children and firearms, it's an individual decision for parents to make within the bound of the law. I don't believe that anyone who doesn't want to should possess a firearm. I don't believe that anyone convicted of a violent crime should be allowed to possess a firearm. You say it was satirical chiding when in fact people here actually believe that people on DU who defend the RKBA believe that EVERYONE should be armed. I hope that clears it all up for you.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

73. Was it really worth it to look silly by accusing a poster of "proposing"....

....arming children when all they were doing was making a joke?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

75. It killed quite bit of time while I was waiting on a phone call.

Unfortunately that joke perpetuated a common myth, pointing out that no one actually feels that way was an attempt to correct that myth. Granted many people here bury their heads in the sand at the mere mention of firearms so it probably did little good. Kind of like the racist joke that reinforces stereotypes, the ones laughing probably won't get the point but that doesn't mean you shouldn't call them on it.

[anigbrowl]

46. Someone missed the huge red 'sarcasm' emoticon...

then again a number of DU posters seem to respond only to the subject line and never the content. That :sarcasm: wasn't edited in afterwards either.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

53. Sorry to disappoint but I saw it the first time.

It would make sense if anyone had actually suggested that arming children on school buses was a good idea.

[EOTE]

64. He didn't miss it.

He's just so dense that he saw it and still has no idea what it means. Everyone in this thread is able to comprehend why it was apt, but because he doesn't notice anyone explicitly calling for the arming of children, he thinks it deserves to be mocked. Trying to explain to him what a logical conclusion is is like trying to explain Kant to a puppy.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

66. Trust me, he's not dense

He's morally offended that someone has decided to poke fun through extrapolation a philosophy he subscribes to.

He takes his guns very, very seriously. He's a serious cat. :rofl:

[EOTE]

67. One can be dense, yet serious.

I have no doubt he takes his guns seriously. I also have no doubt that he's rather dense. They're not mutually exclusive.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

72. It doesn't help when that extrapolation is illegal.

[chasitynola]

12. Sometimes

you gotta go with your gut instinct. It pays off...luckily for him, it did! I almost ran a car off of the road that had insane road rage and pulled a gun on me...crazy fool! And he did it the day after Xmas...probably his freakin' present. He made the exit instead of the interstate guard rail...damn.

[Stinky The Clown]

17. .....

:popcorn:

[surrealAmerican]

19. Where exactly does a 14-year-old get a ...

... "chrome-plated .380-caliber semi-automatic handgun"?

[TheWraith]

20. She probably stole it from her family or a friend's family.

A 14 year old can't buy one legally, and it's doubtful she'd have either the money or the connections to buy one illegally.

[NoodleyAppendage]

25. Well...if the school system would actually crack down on bullying then this wouldn't happen.

Kids don't just bring guns to school for kicks. They bring them for a reason...most often because of a sense of powerlessness over persistent and psychologically traumatic bullying.

Want to stop the vast majority of these cases? Kick bullies out of school, zero tolerance regardless of income, social stature, or athletic value.

J

[aikoaiko]

26. More and more I am convinced that it is better fight back directly when people make viable threats

Fight like your life depends on it and don't depend on the perpetrator's good will or humanity.

[proteus_lives]

35. I agree with that.

Fighting back is better then waiting for a bullet.

[proteus_lives]

34. A brave kid!

Bravo for Mr. Eulls! :applause:

[SidneyCarton]

41. Good man.

n/t

[asdjrocky]

45. Standing up is hard.

Not everyone does it.

[Echo In Light]

68. Ever see the 1960s movie, The Incident?

http://www.shoestring.org/mmi_revs/incident-ms-139195403.html

Powerful movie.

[asdjrocky]

69. If it's on Netflix I'll watch it.

[Echo In Light]

71. Likely. I think it's split up on Youtube. Cable movie channels used to play it a lot.

And remember, it is hard to take a stand.

[ddeclue]

58. Give the girl a break.. she thought she was on her way to a teabagger rally!

:rofl:

Oops...wrong bus...