“…HERE ya had a a case of the group RUNNING the whole country.. allowing openly for them to form bases and camps to train peoples against us.. This was the base operation for the 9/11 attack.. we CAN NOT allow a country and its government to be openly attacking us with us only having like embargoes and sanctions.. Like THEY would do any good on Afghanistan... We have no choice but to stay the game UNTIL we are sure the local government can control its own country.. Now it should be not on only our shoulders.. the rest of the world has a stake in this as well and this should be a joint U.N. operation.. “
“…he promised to draw down Bush's fiasco (Iraq) and go after the fuckers that killed 3,000 Americans (and others.) Fuck the Taliban and their Al Qaeda buddies. Especially as the father of a young girl, Iam proud that our soldiers and marines are taking it to the people who throw acid in the faces of schoolgirls - for going to school.
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Kicked and UNrec'd”
“…Afghanistan and a bellicose Reagan provided a rally-round-the-flag effect within the Soviet Union. Anyone who knows anything about the Soviet Union claims the USSR would probably have fallen a decade earlier if the communists hadn't had these outside threats to keep their disastisfied populace preoccupied.”
I see the brigade to keep stupid policy afloat at any cost is out in force. I guess I would feel better if I could somehow agree with all the ludicrous assertions, fact-bending and out and out misrepresentations and prop catapulting that appears in the above.
I heard Obama’s view on the Afghan situation, allegedly somehow different from the Iraq conflict during his campaign, etc. I cringed every time and ranted that this is simply carrying the water for the international business interests that have been injecting themselves into Afghanistan, ours simply being the most recent. I had to keep in mind which of the last presidential candidates were beholding to the oil companies.
http://prezoilmoney.oilchangeusa.org/ This policy is a loser and we pay the price in innumerable ways.
In light of the seriously flawed current “election,” process, in light of the impracticability of using a modern oil-fueled mechanized military force against a stated enemy hiding/moving among a civilian population, in light of so many escalating civilian deaths due to “mistakes,” in bombing alleged Taliban at weddings and in abandoned stolen fuel trucks is only making enemies of civilians we are allegedly trying to help/liberate/democracize? Which is it? I forget. Are we there to stop Al Ciada? Don’t they kind of move around, a dark mysterious force that seems to pop up conveniently among any de-stabilized muslim population, or even better, preferably refugees? How do you move against such unconventional forces with our Hammer against a fly strategy of using a mechanized military force against small bands of mobile forces that melt into the countryside? Where have I heard that before? How did the fledgling American colonies defeat the Redcoats? How did the VC overtake the conventional forces arrayed against them?
The conflicts in Afghanistan are generations old. The fundamentalist Taliban is just the latest face in that string of conflicts. The interference of outsiders fuels the Taliban xenophobia and allows them to purchase influence with the unarmed segments of the population. This is keeping that country unstable, allowing outsiders to come in, set up “camps,” allowing the cash crop opium to keep flowing to local farmers and outside international investors/purchasers, allowing western oil interests like Unocal and their puppet Hamid Karzai to keep that product to keep flowing, etc. Who in this diabolical mixture has the interests of the Afghan at heart? OBL was not Afghan, he was Saudi. The alleged hijackers were from Saudi, Yemen, etc. The reasons the Soviets were there had to do with a warm water port for the transport of oil and their fear of the Islamic fundamentalist movement spreading to its Asiatic Islamic states within the old Soviet Union.
I seem to recall some workers in Gdansk, Poland had something to do with the fall of the Eastern Bloc and some people named Gorbachev and Yeltsin that had something to do with bringing about reforms that led to the dissolution of that nation and its regional alliance. But don’t let those facts stand in the way of American myth creation about St. Ronny.
I just hope everyone that advocates such a wasteful adventure in a far off land, information about most Americans receive from a govt. and a corporate owned media that is bent on convincing them that this policy is somehow right or justified or even strategically viable, keeps some of this historical perspective in mind when voicing their bellicose judgments.
What would Cheney’s daughter do with herself if we pulled out? Indeed.
Just my dos centavos
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