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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:08 PM
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If We Don't Get A Public Option, We Should Support Repeal Of The McCarran-Ferguson Act !!!
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 09:11 PM by WillyT
I have no idea why this hasn't been thrown into the mix. Except that hardly anybody is aware of this, and congress is pretty much owned by these guys...

:shrug:

Insurance Companies Exempt from Government Price Fixing Oversight
by: DocJess
Thu Aug 27, 2009 at 08:43:47 AM EDT

I was reading an article that claimed the only industries exempt from government price fixing oversight were the insurance companies and major league baseball.

Turns out it's true.

Bills were introduced in both the House and Senate in 2007, but never became law. Read the press release below, and commit it to memory when Bobby runs in 2012. I don't know why this hasn't come up again in the discussions of health reform. Unless I missed it, it never showed up in any of the legislation I've read this year on the topic.

WASHINGTON, DC—U.S. Congressmen Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), Bobby Jindal (R-La.) and Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) announced today the introduction of legislation to remove the federal antitrust exemption from the insurance industry. Their bill, the Insurance Industry Competition Act, is companion legislation to a bill that was introduced in the Senate today by Senate Judiciary Committee chair Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Senator Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), and Senator Trent Lott (R-Miss.).

Also cosponsoring the bill are Representatives Charlie Melancon (D-La.), Rodney Alexander (R-La.), and Walter Jones (R-NC).

"The insurance industry, like Major League Baseball, is exempt from federal anti-trust laws," DeFazio said. "But the insurance industry, unlike Major League Baseball, has a direct impact on the life, health, safety and economic security of all American families. There is no justification for the insurance industry to be exempt from federal anti-trust laws. It is a quirk of history that needs to be corrected."

"The insurance industry, as the result of an antiquated law, is currently one of the only consumer industries in the nation that is exempt from anti-trust laws," Jindal said. "This leaves every American at risk to collusion and price fixing by the insurance industry, a practice that is unfair at best, and despicable at worst. So many residents of Louisiana and the Gulf Coast can no longer find insurance coverage, much less affordable coverage, and something must be done to change that. It makes no sense that an industry that is so critical to so many has been given the legal ability to take advantage of its customers. By removing the anti-trust exemption, insurance customers will now not only be protected by their state insurance commissions, but the United States Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission as well. This is a huge step towards ensuring that all the residents of Louisiana, the Gulf Coast, and the rest of the country have access to the affordable insurance policies they need."

The Insurance Industry Competition Act would repeal the exemption and give the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission the authority to apply the antitrust laws to anticompetitive behavior by insurance companies. This Act would not affect the ability of each state to regulate the business of insurance.

Background:

The McCarran-Ferguson Act, which gives states the authority to regulate the “business of insurance,” also exempts the business of insurance from the federal antitrust laws to limit competition. The only other industry exempt from antitrust laws is Major League Baseball. If there ever was, there is no longer any justification to exempt the insurance industry from federal government oversight. Such oversight could ensure that the industry is not engaging in anticompetitive conduct like price fixing, agreements not to pay, and divvying up geographical areas.

This issue is particularly timely given the insurance issues raised in the wake of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Insurers have denied claims and delayed payouts to residents along the Gulf Coast instead of honoring their contractual commitments to their customers, thereby contributing to the rebuilding and rejuvenation of the area.


Link: http://www.demconwatchblog.com/diary/2224/insurance-companies-exempt-from-government-price-fixing-oversight

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McCarran-Ferguson Act

The McCarran-Ferguson Act, 15 U.S.C. § 1011, is a United States federal law that allows state law to regulate the business of insurance without federal government interference. The McCarran-Ferguson Act was passed by Congress in 1945 after the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. South-Eastern Underwriters Association that insurance could be regulated by the federal government via the Commerce Clause (the overturned case stated that the federal government had this power), or, in other words, that insurance was interstate commerce.

Intent

The McCarran-Ferguson Act does not itself regulate insurance, nor does it mandate that states regulate insurance. However, it does empower Congress to pass laws in the future that will have the effect of regulating the "business of insurance." However, federal acts that do not expressly purport to regulate the "business of insurance" will not preempt state laws or regulations that regulate the "business of insurance."

The Act also provides that federal anti-trust laws will not apply to the "business of insurance" as long as the state regulates in that area, but federal anti-trust laws will apply in cases of boycott, coercion, and intimidation.

History

United States v. South-Eastern Underwriters Association (322 U. S. 533) came before the Supreme Court in 1944 on appeal from a district court located in North Georgia. The South-Eastern Underwriters Association controlled 90 percent of the market for fire and other insurance lines in six southern states and set rates at non-competitive levels. Furthermore, it used intimidation, boycotts and other coercive tactics to maintain its monopoly.

The question before the Court was whether or not insurance was a form of "interstate commerce" which could be regulated under the Commerce Clause of the United States Constitution and the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. The general opinion in law before this case, according to the Court, was that the business of insurance was not commerce, and the District Court concurred with the opinion. The Supreme Court concluded that:

"4. Any enactment by Congress either of partial or of comprehensive regulations of the insurance business would come to us with the most forceful presumption of constitutional validity. The fiction that insurance is not commerce could not be sustained against such a presumption, for resort to the facts would support the presumption in favor of the congressional action. The faction therefore must yield to congressional action and continues only at the sufferance of Congress.

5. Congress also may, without exerting its full regulatory powers over the subject, and without challenging the basis or supplanting the details of state regulation, enact prohibitions of any acts in pursuit of the insurance business which substantially affect or unduly burden or restrain interstate commerce."

In short, while not changing the opinion of prevailing law, the Court stated that the conclusion that insurance was not commerce under the law rested with Congress, and that the Court would follow the lead of Congress.

As a result, on March 9, 1945, the McCarran-Ferguson Act was passed by Congress. Among other things, it allows for:

* the state regulation of insurance
* allows states to establish mandatory licensing requirements
* preserves certain state laws of insurance.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran-Ferguson_Act

Maybe we should have threatened that from the start.

Here's a good place to start: http://www.taylor.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=305&Itemid=36

:mad:


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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 09:27 PM
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1. One problem
if the insurance industry has enough money to buy enough of Congress to keep a public option off the table, it surely owns enough of Congress to keep the status quo the way it is.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:04 PM
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2. That May Be, But Ask Yourself How Many Of Their Constituents Know About This ???
Most people don't.

I remember I got to ask a question of Ralph Nader (persona non grata, I know) when he gave a speech at my college back in the mid-eighties. I only had one shot, so I asked him if it was true that insurance companies are the only industry exempt for anti-trust laws. When he said that yes it was true, you could hear the audible gasps in the crowd.


We need to blast this all over the place. And get some congress critters to put it front and center.

Tie it to Katrina... whatever.

Hell... use it as blackmail... if they back off their opposition to the Public Option, we'll back off the repeal.

Remember... NOBODY likes insurance companies.

:shrug:
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:24 PM
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4. Wow, you got to ask him a question?
I remember seeing him speak in the Hec Edmunson Pavilion (basketball gym) at the University of Washington while I was going there in the mid-1970's. He really did give a great speech in his best days.

Still, it's hard to deal with what he did in 2000 by guaranteeing us Bush.
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:18 PM
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3. K&R
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:54 PM
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5. K&R
I wasn't aware of this but it seems pretty damned important.

I may be seeing Specter and Sestak next week. It's actually going to be about labor, and I don't like it when people bring up off topic subjects at these meetings, but it's a small venue and I know one of the organizers so I may be able to pigeonhole them about this either before or after the meeting.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:56 PM
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6. That Would Be Greatly Appreciated !!!
:applause::yourock::applause:

:hi:
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 10:57 PM
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7. No promises
but I'll see what I can do.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 11:10 PM
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8. That's All One Can Ask...
:patriot:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 07:19 AM
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9. I agree with repeal of the McCarran-Ferguson Act with regard to the
exemption from anti-trust law, but not with regard to eliminating provisions giving states the authority to regulate insurance. Unless we get a very robust public option, Californians will be greatly harmed by any legislation that prevents our state government from regulating insurance.

We voted for strong insurance regulation. We already have a prohibition on refusal of coverage due to pre-existing conditions. The only problem with our law in that specific regard is that the companies are still permitted to charge extra for pre-existing conditions and, if I understand the law correctly and I am less certain on this, can limit coverage of those conditions so as to exclude care for them.

Sorry. This is the first post that I have unrecommended, and I did that on the basis of my objection to the idea. Please correct that part of your proposal.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 02:17 PM
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16. I think you're right.
After I first read this thread I did some reading on my own and came to the same conclusion. The anti-trust exemption, and ONLY the anti-trust exemption, should be repealed, not the entire act.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 02:21 PM
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17. I Have No Problem With That...
But it's too late for me to edit the OP.

:shrug:
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 02:38 PM
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18. I don't think anyone's blaming you.
Just suggesting that maybe you're mistakenly throwing out the baby with the bathwater. If I get to speak with Specter about it I will specify the anti-trust exemptions.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 03:06 PM
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19. Whoa... Not Throwing Babies Anywhere, LOL !!!
What I object to is the insurance companies being exempt from anti-trust laws. Why should they be, and not the auto industry, communications, energy, or big agriculture???

Keep the state regulators, but put insurance companies under federal review and regulation as a base protection for ALL Americans.

We do that in California and many other states. The EPA has federal authority over environmental concerns, but California can use them as a base and then enact laws and regulations that go further. Hell, we do that with our gasoline as is continually bitched about by the energy industry. Ever heard of "Boutique Gasolines"???

Plus, why should folks in Alabama, Utah, or Vermont for that matter get screwed because their representatives are beholden to the insurance industry?

Remember, state's rights gave us separate but equal, which was neither.

:shrug:
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 03:15 PM
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20. No disagreement.
By the way "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" is a common idiom which means don't accidentally throw out something of value in your eagerness to get rid of something else that's associated with it. Throw the dirty bath water out but take the baby out of the tub first. Remove the anti-trust exemption but leave the good parts of the bill.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 03:20 PM
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21. I Was Being Funny...
Guess it didn't work.

:hi:
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 03:24 PM
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22. Sorry.
I don't know your age, but I'm in my 50s and I'm finding more and more that phrases and idioms that I take for granted are sometimes unknown by younger generations. I thought that that might possibly be the case here. I fear that one of these days I'll sound like Grandpa Simpson talking about onions in belts. :D
:hi:
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 09:43 AM
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10. Whoa - Bobby Jindal supported this?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 10:16 AM
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11. Think Katrina... Think Gulf Coast...
I was surprised to read that too, but it made sense that many people from the devastated areas would support this after watching people get screwed in the aftermath Katrina\Rita.

:shrug:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 11:04 AM
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12. I made it my signature on my email.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 11:06 AM
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13. K&R... this'd make a nice Facebook Status thing, wouldn't it?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 02:10 PM
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14. Let's spread the word!!
I called Ben Chandler's office
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 02:12 PM
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15. Thanks for posting
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 07:21 PM
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23. Like I Said...
:mad:
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