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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 04:00 PM
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"Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman didn’t call the public crazy."
"Why are Democrats so bad at messaging? Because we don’t care —and don’t try! And oh yes, one other thing: We have contempt for much of the public—for the people at whom such messaging aims, the people who get to vote.

Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman didn’t call the public crazy. They didn’t refer to their lizard brains when they could instead refer to their “hearts” and their “souls”—and to their “ideals.” (Emotional speech connects with ideals.) Quite famously, Roosevelt spoke to masses of people with great respect, through their radios. He remains famous for the fact that he spoke to the average “man.”

Today, our liberal leaders often prefer to sneer and display their contempt for such people. (They aren’t as smart and as moral as we are!) Why are we so bad at messaging? In part, because, as a point of pride, we refuse to speak to the unwashed masses to whom such messages would appeal."

http://www.dailyhowler.com/


I think Somerby nails it here in many respects.

"Frankly, it’s too late for Obama to make such appeals in any serious manner. Narratives develop over stretches of time; you can’t ask Obama to show up in the year 2009 and magically make up for decades of Democratic and liberal lethargy. The other side has been aggressively building its messaging—its frameworks—over the past forty-five years. People have heard these claims again and again, and many more times after that:

Big government never did anything right.
Liberal elites think they’re better than you are.

You can’t expect Obama to compensate for the lack of a strong, well-established counter-narrative. But if we ever do build such a narrative, it would probably turn on these points:

First, it would turn on some well-crafted statement of an obvious fact: Big Moneyed Interests will try to loot you. They’ll do it every time—till they’re stopped.

Second, it might turn on a second obvious fact: Big Moneyed Interests will send tribunes out to deceive you. They will lie in your faces—till they’re stopped."


I suggest another pushback to the Republican "Big Government never does anything right" meme, and it is one I used in a recent LTTE - list some things that Big Government has done right.

"I am not sure what socialized medicine is supposed to be, but it does seem clear that places like Canada and Switzerland have systems that cover everybody and that cost much less than our system and provide just as good results. Those are basic facts we rarely hear. But we are not going to get a system like the one that works in Europe, Canada, Australia and Japan because we are afraid of national programs like the Post Office and the interstate highway system and NASA. They clearly never work. We can put a man on the moon, but we can't have national health care."

The trouble is that our main way of pushing back is to insult the voters. This plays into the Republican message "liberal elites think they are better than you." We say to people, and about people - you are idiots, bigots, racists, and fools (and by the way, vote for our guy). "We hate you (or people a lot like you) with every fiber of our being, but please join with us to make this a better country."

Some of them, of course, hate US with every fiber of their being and are not shy about saying so. I think it is better to cry foul about that then to strike back. First, because you don't defeat hate with hate. Second, because striking back can look bad. It's like in football. Often a player will get punched or otherwise roughed up and get angry and strike back. Then the person hitting back gets caught and penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct. Sure, their reaction was justified and understandable, but an undisciplined reaction just hurts the team. Third, the hatred often spills over into the team. We not only hate the people on the other team, we hate the people on our own team who disagree with us on issues. We certainly saw plenty of that during the primary wars in both recent elections.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 04:05 PM
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1. Hate to always bring it up , but F.D.R and Gen.Smedley Butler were
the last two people to keep us from Corporate Enslavement.And since the Kennedy assassination they've gained ground everyday.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 04:10 PM
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2. Ok. How does "our main way" insult the voters?
Edited on Fri Sep-04-09 04:15 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
Please give an example.

The Republicans constantly insult Americans. Remember Cheney's "so?"

Dems (the officials) fall all over themselves trying to be nice to everyone. And I'm sorry, but those teabaggers *ARE* idiots. And I, as a private citizen, have no reason to try and make nice with a bunch of racist lunatics.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 04:16 PM
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3. K&R
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 04:21 PM
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5. I agree
Dems often to talk to the public like adults, thugs talk to them like children.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 04:23 PM
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6. Hell, around here we give them grief all the time for trying to play nice with morons.
And now this guy says we're not being nice enough?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 05:04 PM
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9. when I say "our main way"
I am talking about the people of DU - us, and there is no shortage of examples. Just read the front page every day.

I remember Cheney's 'so'. I also remember that his approval rating was below 25%.

Well, somehow it has hit the media that 'liberals say that anybody who disagrees with the President is a racist lunatic'.

Is that true? Is it true that liberals say that? Just goto DU, they call Obama protestors racists all the time. It's like their favorite tune, like a 6th sense "I see racists" "When?" "All the time." It is OUR main way of pushing back and advancing the progressive cause. Let's talk about how much we hate our neighbors and how justified and righteous that hatred is.

It wouldn't be so bad if YOU were the only one doing it. But it gets on TV, it gets on the radio, and it gets to the greatest page on an hourly basis. Random DU thread "How do I hate Republicans? Let me count the ways..." Responses 170, recommends 230 (and most replies being KNR or "me too ...")
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 05:51 PM
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11. You can't talk to people who hold up monkeys named Obama
Or people that think he's a muslim Kendonesion, or trying to kill old people, or going to take their children.

People should call it like it is. They aren't just "disagreeing". Glenn Beck and the million or so followers ARE hateful lunatics.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 04:17 PM
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4. Okay, perhaps some valid points, but I have a question.
When the people in question only shout you down, and won't listen to a single thing you say, how are you going to get through to them in ANY way, shape or form?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 04:34 PM
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7. when they shout at you, you win
Think of the confrontation between Billo and Al Franken. Billo was reduced to yelling "shut up! shut up! shut up!" and Franken was able to relate that story to show that he was a man without the ability to make a rational argument.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 05:00 PM
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8. Problem with that is, many Americans don't perceive it that way.
Our dumbing-down by the corporate media has led to a widespread feeling that believing something REALLY strongly and saying it more loudly makes one the winner.

It takes some reflection to realize that those who know the least usually know it the loudest. And it is that reflection that many Americans are woefully unwilling to pursue.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 05:22 PM
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10. I don't know if that is true any more than you do
and in any case, I doubt the efficacy of hurling expletives back in a public debate even if the public appreciates passion.

"Still, I have the hopelessly naive faith that as long as you're arguing a position that's logically correct, you can convince anyone of it." Al Franken
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