I'm Pretty Sure I'm Not Gonna Manage To Be A "Good Soldier" On Health Care Reform... You???

[WillyT]

According to both David Gregory and Clarence Page, Obama is preparing to tell the left in the Democratic Party that it's time to be "good soldiers" and accept what we can get in the Health Care Reform battle. Which... if we are good soldiery lucky enough, might have some asinine trigger based maybe someday public option that will never get pulled.

How come the blue dogs aren't being asked to be "good soldiers"? They're rumored to be Democrats.

And how come we can't guilt Republicans into being "good soldiers? They're allegedly Americans.

Why always the left?

Don't think I can do it this time... nah... I know I can't.

If we can't do it in the current circumstances, we can never do it.

Sigh...

What say you? If there is no public option in the end... will you still be a good soldier for Obama?

:shrug:

[NYC_SKP]

1. David Gregory and even Clarence page have a job to do, and it's not always truthful.

What they say on cable TV and that is not backed up by credible first hand identified sources I have to dismiss.

:patriot:

[WillyT]

3. I Do Hope You Are Correct...

I would like nothing more than to be proven wrong, but I've seen this movie too many times in the past.

Call it, Demnospineaphobia... fear of Democrats without a backbone.

So... either this is the greatest mis-direction play in modern political history, or were watching reruns of "Leave It To Underachievers".

:shrug:

[WeDidIt]

2. A Strong, Robust, Untriggered Public Option is my line in the sand

This far and no further.

Why are the progressives being told they have to vote for a bill that contains hundreds of concessions to a caucus that wont' vote for it any way when the progressives have had exactly no input into it?

[Sebastian Doyle]

7. +1

Couldn't have said it better myself (only with a few more words the FCC doesn't like)

[roguevalley]

13. truly. I loathe this shit.

[Ian David]

4. There is no reason to compromise or be "moderate."

We have crushed our enemies.

We have seen them driven before us.

We have heard the lamentations of their women.

WE HAVE FUCKING WON!

WE HAVE WON! LET'S FUCKING ACT LIKE IT!

Talk about having "Political Capital?"

Bipartisanship with Republicans is date-rape.

[WillyT]

6. "Bipartisanship with Republicans is date-rape."

Um... may I perhaps... use that, LOL!

:evilgrin:

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. It's a good one!

[nevergiveup]

5. For the life of me I can't figure why anyone would believe

any report from David Gregory and from watching Clarence Page on KO I got the feeling he wasn't terribly confident of his own speculation. The truth of the matter is that no one at this point really knows what position Obama will take next Wednesday.

[WillyT]

9. Look... Both Of These Guys Have Numerous Sources...

The real question is... are they being used to launch trial balloons, mis-direct attention and energy, or telling us the truth as they were told it by somebody other than the President.

Truth is nobody really know and yes I realize this, but it has the feel like they are preparing us for a soft landing. The left ain't gonna get what it wants, but they'd like us to get eased into that possible reality sooner rather than later so we'll get over it, and continue to support them.

Like I said.... seen it before.

:shrug:

[ezgoingrl]

8. Other

Not a valid question since Obama hasn't asked anyone "to be a good soldier".

[flaminbats]

10. If health care reform doesn't pass..

IMO Obama shouldn't receive the blame. Congress should be held accountable for what passes, Obama should only be held accountable if he vetoes positive action. But it's too early to decide..whether or not to re-elect Obama!?!?! :rofl:

We should be holding our Congressmen and Senators accountable, but we're not even through Obama's first year...please give this guy a chance!!!:banghead:

[MadHound]

11. If health care doesn't pass. . .

Obama definitely should receive some of the blame. After all, part of the job of being president is to quarterback your agenda through Congress. FDR was the master of this. LBJ, though I hate him for many things, was also good at getting things done. Even Carter was better at this than what we've seen so far from Obama.

Coming off an election with such overwhelming majorities in Congress Obama should be able to marshal through pretty much anything he wants. He stated that he wanted a public option in health care reform, so let's have a true, meaningful reform.

His hands off, let Congress have its rein has been a horrible strategy. You just invite all kinds of trouble this way, Congress needs a direction. He has also squandered his time, momentum and political capital poorly by allowing this go past the August break.

Yes, by all means, hold your Senators and Representatives accountable. But don't let others off the hook either.

[flaminbats]

14. 1993 is an excellent example..

I didn't vote against Clinton in 1996 because health care reform failed to pass, but I did vote against my Congressman and Senator who participated in a filibuster. Obama still has four months left in this 1st year, dude..I think he's doing great so far!! :hippie:

[Spazito]

12. Seeing as there is NO bill before the House OR the Senate yet....

how would one know if they can be a 'good soldier' if they are being honest with themselves? Seeing as when a bill DOES come before the Senate and assuming it passes, it is only 1/2 of initial process and seeing as when a bill DOES come before the House and assuming it passes, it is only the other half of the initial process. As it is highly unlikely each bill passed will be identical, both initial bills then go to Conference where, after 'hashing it out' they come back with ONE bill. It is then when one would know if they are going to be a 'good soldier' for reform or not, imo.

If the bill coming before the Senate doesn't include a public plan AND the bill coming before the House doesn't include a public plan then I can see the need for a 'hair on fire' response. It is unlikely that will happen.

[WillyT]

15. Kick !!!

:kick:

[mdmc]

17. soldier on!