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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 12:56 AM
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Why "the left" has to work so hard to get the party's attention.
And we do have to work hard. There has been a tendency for Democrats for years to get their big money donors so as not to have to vote for things that will make it hard to win.

But there are many of the leaders of the party who think there really is no Democratic base, who think we just have to win no matter how....and things will magically get better.

From The American Prospect 2007:

A new book examines Rahm Emanuel's hardball strategy in the midterm elections, and wonders if it's the right direction for Dems.

From the book by Neftali Bendavid called The Thumpin'.

Certainly Emanuel holds no such romantic notions that there even exists such a base of voters loyal to core Democratic values. He is adamant that "we have no base!," a view that clearly guided his strategy for selecting candidates. As Bendavid writes, "he would not support the most loyal Democrats, or those whose populism was purist. His only criterion, he said, was who could win." This kind of single-minded, values-be-damned vision is anathema to some on the party's left. Writing for The Nation after the election, John Nichols complained that "many of the Democrats who prevailed on November 7 did so despite efforts, not because of them" and argues that liberal candidates could have won had Emanuel made the decision to support them. Yet as Bendavid points out, "of the 30 candidates who took seats from the Republicans, about 20 had been nurtured, funded, advised, and yelled at by Emanuel for months. Perhaps a half dozen had been supported by grassroots activists with little help from the DCCC."


Howard Dean has a different view of the numbers and said it out loud. Video

"Nine out of the 35 races that were selected by the DCCC were winners...the rest of them were all folks who started on their own with enormous grassroots organizations."

(Key word here is selected. Most started out on their own with grassroots groups and DCCC and DNC helped fund some eventually. I had to listen a couple of times to get what he was saying.)

That is truly amazing, really. The majority ran because they were inspired and wanted to change the country.


He mentioned that some never got much help from either the DCCC or the DNC but won anyway. He named as examples Carol Shea-Porter, Jerry McNerney, and John Hall. He said it was all the netroots, people knocking on doors, people going out and talking to their neighbors.
Dean thanks progressives in 2006


More from Bendavid about attitudes from some leaders toward the activists and progressives.

The relationship that epitomizes the rift between Emanuel and the party base is the congressman's tenuous partnership with Democratic National Committee chair Howard Dean. As the book relates, Emanuel spent most of the campaign furious with Dean, whose Fifty State Strategy to build up party infrastructure nationwide he saw as little more than a way to throw money to the wind. In May 2006, Emanuel and Senator Charles Schumer, his counterpart in the Senate, met with Dean to ask for more money for their respective campaigns. Banging his hand on the table, Emanuel chided Dean's grassroots plan, "No disrespect, but some of us are arrogant enough, we come from Chicago, we think we know what it means to knock on a door. You're nowhere Howard. Your field plan is not a field plan. That's fucking bullshit." The two wouldn't speak again until election time.

With or without Dean, Emanuel is a master fundraiser; he spent most of the 22 months before the midterm elections raising money, yelling at candidates to raise money, and yelling at donors to pledge more money. And it worked. The Democrats, who have always trailed Republicans in fundraising, raised more money last year than they had in any previous campaign for Congress ($140 million to the Republican's $175 million).

To be sure, there's some benefit to breaking fundraising records. But any Emanuel-style strategy of focusing on the wealthy is sure to exclude from candidacy all but the wealthiest and those who know how to attract them. If the Democrats continue on this path, finding candidates who represent a district's constituents will become increasingly difficult as those very constituents are shut out. Too bad that this, as Bendavid points out, is no longer Emanuel's fucking problem. Neftali Bendavid


We are seeing the fruits of the choice of wealthy candidates who tend to be conservatives.

I think we will pay a dear price on health care.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 01:15 AM
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1. Historically, the left has always had to work hard.
Edited on Sat Sep-05-09 01:17 AM by Selatius
The system set up under the current Constitution has no real provision outlining public funding of elections. To be sure, a mechanism exists, but it is decrepit and a half-measure at best. Many politicians would rather forego the public route in the face of being outspent by a privately backed opponent.

Naturally, the system favors the oligarchy of monied interests that run this country. Even if the maximum individual contribution is like 2400 per candidate in a particular year, there is no spending limit on setting up astroturf groups and airing unlimited ads against an opponent or for a particular candidate. A great working example is health insurance companies dumping 1.4 million dollars a day in TV advertising to kill a threatening public option.

If the labor movement had that much money to spend a day, we would be living in a different United States altogether.

It is a fundamental structural problem with the US gov't. If there is a public funding mechanism that is actually competitive with private sources of cash, then wealthy individuals would not have such disproportionate influence on politicians.

If you want to find somebody who wants to change the system, Rahm isn't your guy. His problem is he has been inside the current system so long. He wouldn't be very powerful in any other system, and maybe that would be a good thing. In a functioning republic with a strong public financing mechanism, his prowess in raising cash for politicians would be irrelevant.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 01:18 AM
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3. Agreed, but surely you meant "oligarhy"...
like Glenn Beck. ;-)

The funding structure won't be changed for the very reasons you mention. The wealthy individuals won't let it happen.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 01:29 AM
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5. There's a slight twist to what you just said.
The two established parties wouldn't accept a full funding mechanism either. If rules were set up outlining how a candidate can get full public funding, one would no longer need to rely so heavily on the resources that a major political party could provide in order to win. Taxpayer money would automatically be provided to the candidate who qualifies to run the ads and get-out-the-vote activities. It would open the door to more independent candidates running and holding office. That would be better for everybody.

Such a reform would, if made impossible to achieve peacefully by the entrenched interests, need to be done through violent means, as all other peaceful options to change were exhausted.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 07:18 PM
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28. Good point.
Once the parties have had the taste of the big money, they don't want others empowered through independent means.
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tooeyeten Donating Member (441 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:51 PM
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37. then like Moyers said to Maher
we have nothing more than "corporatists" in office, on both sides of the aisle.
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 01:17 AM
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2. Biggest Reason
"The Left" have no other place to go except the Democratic Party, so our support is taken for granted while the middle and right-center have to be pandered to. For those who consider a protest vote for a 3rd Party or Independent, Florida 2000 provides a painful lesson on who that benefits.

Moving the Democratic Party to more progressive policies will probably have to start with getting more candidates elected at the local and state levels and continuing to work upwards.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 01:22 AM
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4. Lawrence O'Donnell: The left has nowhere to go
"If you want to pull the party--the major party that is closest to the way you're thinking--to what you're thinking, YOU MUST, YOU MUST show them that you're capable of not voting for them. If you don't show them you're capable of not voting for them, they don't have to listen to you. I promise you that. I worked within the Democratic Party. I didn't listen, or have to listen, to anything on the left while I was working in the Democratic Party, because the left had nowhere to go."
http://www.counterpunch.org/walsh12262007.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 12:30 PM
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15. True, they do think we have nowhere to go and no one to lead us there.
:shrug:
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:12 AM
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32. Well, of course there is Dr. Dean, which is the point of most of
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 10:14 AM by suzie
your journals bashing Rahm Emanuel and anyone else in the Obama administration.

Your candidate didn't win in 2004. Enough already.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 02:22 PM
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20. Exactly, the only power you can have comes from their fear of pissing you off.
Until they learn that we will actively punish them for betraying their Democratic primary promises, they will continue to act like Republicans once in office.

Unless they fear you they will fuck you mercilessly, because the money for them is all lined up on the other side, and it always will be.

One thing I truly hate about being a Democrat is that most Democrats have a good nature, but they allow that to turn them into a TRUSTING FOOL.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 02:28 PM
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21. ding ding ding
Yep! That is the most fundamental truth facing the left in this country.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 01:39 AM
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6. Well, Rahm Ignores Us At His Peril
The fact is that high voter turnout is essential to Democratic victories. Suppressing the base is 'fucking stupid.'
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 01:45 AM
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7. if Emanuel doesn't care about policy or the liberals, why is he in politics?
does he just enjoy being chief flunky for Obama? Is that his goal in life? "To hell with doing anything constructive, I just want to set my ass down in this plush leather chair?"

Someone needs to ask the fool what is the point of winning in politics, or even bothering to pay attention to politics, if you aren't going to implement a good policy to improve things in the country?
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 02:51 PM
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23. Same reason most politicians have: to enrich themselves.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 11:35 PM
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31. Right....for power.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 01:48 AM
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8. Good read, very inciteful....and a must read for all of DU I would say..
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 01:57 AM
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9. The passion flows upwards. Obama knows it, and his advisors know it.
He (and they) are too smart to cut off the roots in the earth to please their leaves in the sun.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 02:12 AM
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10. Maybe Obama thinks racists n repubs will love him if he just gives in enough nt
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:17 AM
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11. I would have to ask, in light of this quote...
"he would not support the most loyal Democrats, or those whose populism was purist. His only criterion, he said, was who could win."

What, exactly is the point of winning then? Why be the party in power, if we're not going to agree or go anywhere? it's like Emanuel wants us to become captain of a sinking ship with that mentality.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:50 AM
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12. Good question.
When voting in general elections I have often wondered why it is that I often have had to choose between a Republican and a Republican running as a Democrat. This mentality helps explain that.

If the only goal is to win, then the nature of what we have won is left to chance. I fear this mindset is guiding the White House in efforts to get a health care reform bill passed - any health care reform bill.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 05:17 AM
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13. It makes perfect sense
As long as you remember that it's not about party or country. It's all about Rahm.

Hey, it got him to where he is today: a position that's looking more and more like the de facto president of the United States.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 10:16 AM
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14. Remember the words of Simon Rosenberg who co-founded the DLC
"Simon Rosenberg, the former field director for the DLC who directs the New Democrat Network, a spin-off political action committee, says, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party. In that way," he adds, "they are ideologically freed, frankly, from taking positions that make it difficult for Democrats to win."

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=4706

A picture of the new team.

DLC posts picture of the new team



That's why we can say good bye to women's reproductive rights, the rights of gays, and real reform....because they are stances that make it hard to win.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 01:44 PM
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16. The "Who The Fuck Else Are You Gonna Vote For, Asshole!?" Strategy
Edited on Sat Sep-05-09 01:45 PM by MannyGoldstein
a.k.a. Triangulation, was developed because most all of us on the Left will not vote for anyone but a Democrat. We won't vote for a Rethug, and we all remember the screaming and gnashing of teeth when Nader ran on what was a traditional Democratic platform (e.g., not a "third-way" pile of crap").
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WyoHiker Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:32 PM
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30. I have forgiven myself and everyone else for Nadar in Vermont.
If the base gets shafted by this administration, there will first be a primary challenge, and failing that there will be a god-for-real third party. Yes, it'll split the vote and the Re-thugs will regain power and fuck things up again for about 2 more election cycles, but after that, whats left of the Dems will understand the need to serve their constituents, not their pay masters. We will welcome them warmly into our new party and have a nice funeral wake for the departed donkey. I won't feel all that sad.

'bout time for serious campaign finance reform, no?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 02:04 PM
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17. As long as the left holds their noses and votes for the "lesser of two evils" it will never change.
It's a Catch-22 situation. The only people capable of getting the money out of politics are the very people who need, and get, money from politics.

As a slight variation on Lord Acton's axiom, "Power tends to attract the corruptible".
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:33 AM
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33. +1
As has been said before, insanity is doing the same thing again and again (voting for the lesser of two evils) and expecting different results.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 02:05 PM
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18. Easy, just act insane, like the far right does
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 03:01 PM
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24. And scream louder.
:hi:

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 02:18 PM
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19. K&R.
Good reading.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 02:50 PM
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22. The left has to work harder because we have less money and less power than both right-wing Democrats
and right-wing Republicans as well as their paymasters.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:51 PM
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25. Less money, therefore less power.
While conservative Democrats have huge amounts of both.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 04:57 PM
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26. No change? No cash. - nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 05:45 PM
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27. I have already reached that point.
Hubby and I have our talking points ready when the phone rings for donations.

We give to ACLU and DFA.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:41 PM
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29. Dean tried to empower the party outside of DC.
The powers that be, like Rahm, did not and do not want that.

It is easier to "handle" and keep in line just a few states....like the old 18 state strategy.

BTW whatever did happen to the 50 state plan?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:07 PM
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34. Rahm has become Obama's cheney. Seriously. The GOP RW has only to fight democrats. The Democratic
Left has to fight not only the gop but its own Party. That is why none of what we fought to get folks elected for comes to pass.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 12:11 PM
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35. and Sara its a leadership that has promoted Goldman Sachs lobbyist
WTF
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:35 PM
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36. Indeed.
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